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Post by Sanders on Sept 29, 2016 12:02:50 GMT -5
You're contradicting yourself, I said nothing rude, and you resorted to swearing. There's no discrimination. I'm not saying I hate gay people or wish them any harm, I just don't want that kind of people in my RP. Maybe I don't want people with superpowers, certain hair colors, species, does that mean I discriminate against brown colored dogs? There is a difference between not including powers into a roleplay and not including LGBT+ characters into a roleplay...
i wish gays got super powers ):
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Post by Sour Candy on Sept 29, 2016 12:04:04 GMT -5
There is a difference between not including powers into a roleplay and not including LGBT+ characters into a roleplay...
i wish gays got super powers ): Rainbow eye lasers?
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Post by 𝘨𝘰𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘴𝘶𝘯 on Sept 29, 2016 12:21:32 GMT -5
Anyone who is LGBT has the opportunity to make a straight character. I'm a boy myself and I've RPed female characters before. I don't think I've said anything offensive in this thread. If I can tolerate and accept that people are LGBT, then it is only fair that I be accepted for it not being a part of my beliefs. Again, everyone is welcome to post on these boards and in every thread. It is up to the creator to decide what is discussed and allowed. This is why RPs have their own thread. You are obligated to go elsewhere. No one should have to give up their beliefs to accommodate someone else yes, that is true. i'm a girl and i've written many male characters. i've also rped as characters that have a much different sexuality to my own, a different religion to my own or a different nationality to my own. i've written characters that share no beliefs with me whatsoever. it's far more difficult, but that's not the problem. the issue a lot of us have is that we are actively being told that we are not allowed to write from our own experience. we can not, as the saying goes, write what we know. it is easy to apply being told that an LGBT+ character either has to change or not be a part of the rp to ourselves and our own experiences with similar things turned towards us, either as LGBT+ individuals or a community.
some people may claim that it isn't active hate towards the LGBT+ community, but there's so much out there that is that not seeing it as such is easier said than done. if you've been told even once that your sexuality or gender is 'wrong' or 'not relevant' or 'something that makes me uncomfortable' or even 'not something i'm interested in hearing about all the time' then how could you not draw parallels here when they're so obviously there? it's not turned towards us as people, specifically, but the exact same words have been, are and will be used against LGBT+ community and anyone a part of it. having them held against a character that very much represents you will hurt, perhaps almost as much.
in the end, it's not about beliefs. you're entitled to yours, and your opinion. i won't tell you to change them, nor that they're wrong. what you need to be able to do is acknowledge that the way you express them (in this case by excluding LGBT+ characters from an rp) is harmful to so many people, myself included, whether that's intentional or not. your opinions are your right, but our right to live our lives without feeling attacked needs to be taken into account as well.
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 29, 2016 12:35:56 GMT -5
You say you don't want to change other people's beliefs but saying that everyone should be required to allow characters of any sexuality does just that. I noticed that someone made an LGBT RP. Should that be allowed as it doesn't allow straight characters? Of course it should, and I shouldn't be expected to go there unless I want to RP an LGBT character. It goes both ways.
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Post by 𝘨𝘰𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘴𝘶𝘯 on Sept 29, 2016 12:52:53 GMT -5
but that's not what i'm saying. at no point do i say that you should conform to my beliefs and opinions, i simply state my own thoughts and my reasons behind them. if you want to say that LGBT+ characters aren't allowed in your rp, then the rules say that you can and so i won't tell you not to. i disagree with you on whether you should be able to exclude characters like that, but that's my opinion and not yours. and even if the rules did change, which i doubt they will any time soon, they would never say that you had to change your beliefs. nor would they force you to leave the forums because of them.
besides, if your argument is that having a change made to the rules would force you to change your stance, isn't keeping them as they are forcing the other side to change theirs? just a thought.
i stick to what i said earlier. belief, faith, religion, whatever it is really isn't what this conversation is about, really, even if it is relevant to some people. it's about a group of people feeling as if something is unjust and discriminatory. i wanted to state my opinion on the matter and explain it, and so i did so. if you then decide to stick to your opinions, that is none of my business.
i can tell, even this soon into the discussion, that continuing to debate this is just going to upset me (probably not because of you, specifically, but the topic is a sensitive one for me) so i'll be leaving this thread now. feel free to reply to this, but don't expect a response. to anyone who may be reading this, no matter which side you're on, have a wonderful day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 13:08:19 GMT -5
no offense but if ur not lgbt+ u have no right to determine what's discrimination & what's not, y'all have no say in what we can find hurtful or not. i don't why you think that. i'm so done w some of you lmao
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Post by Cheyenne on Sept 29, 2016 13:49:16 GMT -5
good gosh even if u don't like the lgbt+ community for 'religious reasons' or just flat out don't like us, u do realize that gay people do exist?? like straight writers write gay characters ALL the time and basically rping is writing so not only do u suck but so does ur rp cause it's not realistic As for religious reasons I'd just like to say that almost no Christian at my church is homophobic. They either don't care or they fully support it.
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Post by Cheyenne on Sept 29, 2016 13:59:34 GMT -5
no offense but if ur not lgbt+ u have no right to determine what's discrimination & what's not, y'all have no say in what we can find hurtful or not. i don't why you think that. i'm so done w some of you lmao So I, an African American and caucasian mix can't determine what discrimination is? I think I've had my fair share.
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Post by Cheyenne on Sept 29, 2016 14:01:57 GMT -5
lesbian sorry didn't mean to seem sassy...
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Post by Sanders on Sept 29, 2016 14:04:53 GMT -5
no offense but if ur not lgbt+ u have no right to determine what's discrimination & what's not, y'all have no say in what we can find hurtful or not. i don't why you think that. i'm so done w some of you lmao So I, an African American and caucasian mix can't determine what discrimination is? I think I've had my fair share. yeah but if you're not part of the LGBT+ community you don't understand the struggles and hardships we go through being lgbt+ so no. you don't get to decide what's discrimination for us.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Sept 29, 2016 14:35:08 GMT -5
Sand, Tomo said it's allowed There's nothing we can do Excep maybe try to change tomos mind Considering recent events, I doubt we could successfully change Tomo's mind on anything really Which is unfortunate, since I'm pro-LGBT+, and it is a bummer when I see a cool clan concept and that element of a character is banned. I know the owner may not be a -phobe, but I'll admit I feel a little... Off-set We can always try-- it doesn't hurt to try. Who knows, maybe we'll get that changed. Or so I hope.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 14:36:47 GMT -5
no offense but if ur not lgbt+ u have no right to determine what's discrimination & what's not, y'all have no say in what we can find hurtful or not. i don't why you think that. i'm so done w some of you lmao strong feeling ur referring to me jic you are, i believe im an asexual panromantic so while i havent experienced what real discrimination is yet, im able to tell what is harmful to me or potentially to my friends.
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Post by Yoshimi on Sept 29, 2016 14:41:52 GMT -5
This thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 14:45:36 GMT -5
I didn't mean for people to get upset because of this thread, I just got really tired seeing certain RPs that don't allow LGBT+ character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 14:46:16 GMT -5
no offense but if ur not lgbt+ u have no right to determine what's discrimination & what's not, y'all have no say in what we can find hurtful or not. i don't why you think that. i'm so done w some of you lmao strong feeling ur referring to me jic you are, i believe im an asexual panromantic so while i havent experienced what real discrimination is yet, im able to tell what is harmful to me or potentially to my friends. no no no not you, i meant people like mymerlinvat who claimed the no-lgbt-rule in some rps wasn't discrimination. ur fine my dude
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 29, 2016 14:48:43 GMT -5
no offense but if ur not lgbt+ u have no right to determine what's discrimination & what's not, y'all have no say in what we can find hurtful or not. i don't why you think that. i'm so done w some of you lmao Likewise if you're not straight you have no right to tell people to go against their beliefs to accommodate you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 14:54:33 GMT -5
no offense but if ur not lgbt+ u have no right to determine what's discrimination & what's not, y'all have no say in what we can find hurtful or not. i don't why you think that. i'm so done w some of you lmao Likewise if you're not straight you have no right to tell people to go against their beliefs to accommodate you. It's not like there are numerous RPs that don't allow straight characters though...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 14:58:02 GMT -5
Likewise if you're not straight you have no right to tell people to go against their beliefs to accommodate you. It's not like there are numerous RPs that don't allow straight characters though...
And if mymerlincat were to use LGBTClan as an example for "no straight characters", I hope they know that it was made because of this thread. The fact that this thread is anchored is both impressive and amusing.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Sept 29, 2016 14:59:45 GMT -5
It's not like there are numerous RPs that don't allow straight characters though...
And if mymerlincat were to use LGBTClan as an example for "no straight characters", I hope they know that it was made because of this thread. The fact that this thread is anchored is both impressive and amusing. its actually called enable falling. I did it so it doesn't get bumped
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 15:02:26 GMT -5
I actually PMed Toothless if they could lock this thread, but I guess making it so it's falling fast is alright too.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Sept 29, 2016 15:03:54 GMT -5
I can lock it if you want me to ^^
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 15:07:35 GMT -5
I can lock it if you want me to ^^ Yeah, that would be great.
I really didn't expect this thread to spark an argument.
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Sept 29, 2016 15:08:43 GMT -5
Alright.
It is what it is; it's not your fault, remember that. ---- locked due to op's request - pm any mod or a specific one if you're comfortable with them with questions
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