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Post by Sand 🎃 on Sept 29, 2016 0:01:10 GMT -5
Hmm, okay. We can try changing his mind but I'm not sure if he'll budge
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 0:02:46 GMT -5
Worth a shot
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Post by Sand 🎃 on Sept 29, 2016 0:03:37 GMT -5
True.
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 29, 2016 0:08:08 GMT -5
I think that there needs to be a level of respect for people's beliefs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 0:41:51 GMT -5
what about a level of respect for lgbtq+ people&characters?
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 29, 2016 0:49:58 GMT -5
what about a level of respect for lgbtq+ people&characters? This is why they are not banned from the site, but from the consent of the people hosting the RP. Sexuality is not the only aspect of a character that is limited, appearance, species, powers, etc. People's RPs should be based off of their beliefs, interests, and lifestyles. There is no reason to criticize someone's beliefs, especially as they are not forced upon you. They keep their beliefs to their RPs and you are perfectly entitled to do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 4:57:25 GMT -5
what about a level of respect for lgbtq+ people&characters? This is why they are not banned from the site, but from the consent of the people hosting the RP. Sexuality is not the only aspect of a character that is limited, appearance, species, powers, etc. People's RPs should be based off of their beliefs, interests, and lifestyles. There is no reason to criticize someone's beliefs, especially as they are not forced upon you. They keep their beliefs to their RPs and you are perfectly entitled to do the same. being lgbt+ goes beyond beliefs though? you can't chose to be gay more than you can chose to have blonde hair. to some people, it's an unchangeable characteristic.
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 29, 2016 9:24:29 GMT -5
This is why they are not banned from the site, but from the consent of the people hosting the RP. Sexuality is not the only aspect of a character that is limited, appearance, species, powers, etc. People's RPs should be based off of their beliefs, interests, and lifestyles. There is no reason to criticize someone's beliefs, especially as they are not forced upon you. They keep their beliefs to their RPs and you are perfectly entitled to do the same. being lgbt+ goes beyond beliefs though? you can't chose to be gay more than you can chose to have blonde hair. to some people, it's an unchangeable characteristic. Again, it's not about person. It's about character. You may have a choice in how you feel or believe, but you do have a choice in the kind of character you make. People shouldn't have to give up their beliefs just to accomadate your character. If someone else's beliefs conflicts with yours, you have all the power to go elsewhere.
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Post by The Green Writer on Sept 29, 2016 9:33:30 GMT -5
Made an inclusive RP, in fact my character on it is lesbian
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Post by qυeeɴ oғ ɢнoѕтlιɴɢѕ on Sept 29, 2016 9:58:13 GMT -5
The fact people can't make characters that reflect who they are is the issue not beliefs or ideals. They feel cheated out of being who they are and to live out a life they can't in reality. I used to love to rp romances because I needed an outlet for all the emotions I had and so I was able to reflect that part of myself in a character. People want to be themselves and they want characters that reflect those parts of themselves they love and cherish but can't express off site. It's rps like the ones that sparked this thread that keep people from feeling like they can be themselves both in real life and on this site. They feel restricted and contained like that part of who they are is an animal that is in a cage rather than in its natural habitat that will allow them to be free and majestic. There is a serious issue with not allowing LGBT+ characters and the fact people don't realize that cannot be allowed to remain. It will only create conflict and make members uncomfortable on both sides. Look rps like realism and the reality of life is that there are people who are LGBT in life and people who are cishet in life so if you like realistic rps allow that or say the rp isn't realistic.
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Post by UB₀₁: 𝚂𝚢𝚖𝚋𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚝. on Sept 29, 2016 10:00:20 GMT -5
Sand, Tomo said it's allowed There's nothing we can do Excep maybe try to change tomos mind Considering recent events, I doubt we could successfully change Tomo's mind on anything really Which is unfortunate, since I'm pro-LGBT+, and it is a bummer when I see a cool clan concept and that element of a character is banned. I know the owner may not be a -phobe, but I'll admit I feel a little... Off-set
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 10:15:13 GMT -5
what happened to my rant thread jeez i went to bed and now i see mods talking on here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 10:15:36 GMT -5
Let's not mock them. I know you guys disagree with it & your allowed to disagree & it's completely understandable, but don't mock them. They're allowed to make all straight roleplays and you're allowed to have all gay roleplays, if you so desire if they dont like us, we reserve the right to dislike them back. it's unfair that they get away with shunning our existence while we get chastised when we think it isnt right. how would you feel if there was a roleplay, and a rule said no black people? you wouldnt think it the same, would you? youd delete that, but not the anti gay ones. its unfair. i wont even apologize for ranting tbh
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 29, 2016 10:35:50 GMT -5
Everyone's missing the point here. People make RPs based on what they believe. If you believe something else, accept that the RP isn't for you and find a different one. It's that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 10:41:49 GMT -5
Everyone's missing the point here. People make RPs based on what they believe. If you believe something else, accept that the RP isn't for you and find a different one. It's that simple. lmao,,, you arent understanding excluding homosexuals is like excluding an entire race in a roleplay. it's blatant discrimination and unjust religion/beliefs is NOT and never will be a proper excuse to hate people. maybe im a muslim and i dont like christians because they dont believe what i do. am i allowed to make my roleplay and have a rule stating that no characters can be christian? hell no.
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 29, 2016 10:43:28 GMT -5
Everyone's missing the point here. People make RPs based on what they believe. If you believe something else, accept that the RP isn't for you and find a different one. It's that simple. lmao,,, you arent understanding excluding homosexuals is like excluding an entire race in a roleplay. it's blatant discrimination and unjust religion/beliefs is NOT and never will be a proper excuse to hate people. Except there's nothing hateful about it...
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Post by shortstop on Sept 29, 2016 10:43:31 GMT -5
But- even if you personally have a belief against it, aren't you asking everyone else who might have an interest in the roleplay to conform? if you don't want to roleplay any LGBT players, that's fine. your characters can be straight and cis and they don't have to do anything you're not comfortable with, and that's cool. but to limit everyone else on what they can do, especially if their characters' actions don't affect yours?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 10:45:04 GMT -5
lmao,,, you arent understanding excluding homosexuals is like excluding an entire race in a roleplay. it's blatant discrimination and unjust religion/beliefs is NOT and never will be a proper excuse to hate people. Except there's nothing hateful about it... DISCRIMINATION IS ALWAYS HATEFUL AND HARMFUL no matter what excuses are used, it ALWAYS ends up with feelings hurt. pull your head out of your bigoted [oops! Please use appropriate language next time]
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 29, 2016 10:51:10 GMT -5
Except there's nothing hateful about it... DISCRIMINATION IS ALWAYS HATEFUL AND HARMFUL no matter what excuses are used, it ALWAYS ends up with feelings hurt. pull your head out of your bigoted [censor] You're contradicting yourself, I said nothing rude, and you resorted to swearing. There's no discrimination. I'm not saying I hate gay people or wish them any harm, I just don't want that kind of people in my RP. Maybe I don't want people with superpowers, certain hair colors, species, does that mean I discriminate against brown colored dogs?
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Post by shortstop on Sept 29, 2016 10:52:45 GMT -5
Except there's nothing hateful about it... DISCRIMINATION IS ALWAYS HATEFUL AND HARMFUL no matter what excuses are used, it ALWAYS ends up with feelings hurt. pull your head out of your bigoted [censor] hey i understand what you're going for here and why you're angry, but being rude to other members probably isn't going to help in this situation.
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Post by UB₀₁: 𝚂𝚢𝚖𝚋𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚝. on Sept 29, 2016 10:56:39 GMT -5
Everyone's missing the point here. People make RPs based on what they believe. If you believe something else, accept that the RP isn't for you and find a different one. It's that simple. The argument, from what I understand, is more about the fact that a whole group of people is being excluded in character RP. It's not just LGBT that people have differing beliefs on- if there was a someone with the audacity to say, no racial minority characters in an OTD rp (without a legitimate reason), then how would people react to that exclusion? More than likely, negatively. I don't agree with the mocking on either side of the argument, but... I also don't agree with the no-reason LGBT exclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 10:59:17 GMT -5
DISCRIMINATION IS ALWAYS HATEFUL AND HARMFUL no matter what excuses are used, it ALWAYS ends up with feelings hurt. pull your head out of your bigoted ass. You're contradicting yourself, I said nothing rude, and you resorted to swearing. There's no discrimination. I'm not saying I hate gay people or wish them any harm, I just don't want that kind of people in my RP. Maybe I don't want people with superpowers, certain hair colors, species, does that mean I discriminate against brown colored dogs? There is a difference between not including powers into a roleplay and not including LGBT+ characters into a roleplay...
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Post by UB₀₁: 𝚂𝚢𝚖𝚋𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚝. on Sept 29, 2016 10:59:22 GMT -5
By legitimate reason, I mean, "this story is in feudal japan, so there shouldn't be foreigners due to setting"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 11:01:15 GMT -5
DISCRIMINATION IS ALWAYS HATEFUL AND HARMFUL no matter what excuses are used, it ALWAYS ends up with feelings hurt. pull your head out of your bigoted [censor] hey i understand what you're going for here and why you're angry, but being rude to other members probably isn't going to help in this situation. lmao,,, if tjeyre discriminating against me & a good chunk of my pals i reserve the right to be furious and rude. theyre doing to straight back to a large group of people. i have class soon and i dont want to be sitting here ruining my mood fighting with just another stubborn & ignorant homophobe. i'm blocking and leaving the sjws to deal with them, before i [censor] explode
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Post by shortstop on Sept 29, 2016 11:03:34 GMT -5
hey i understand what you're going for here and why you're angry, but being rude to other members probably isn't going to help in this situation. lmao,,, if tjeyre discriminating against me & a good chunk of my pals i reserve the right to be furious and rude. theyre doing to straight back to a large group of people. i have class soon and i dont want to be sitting here ruining my mood fighting with just another stubborn & ignorant homophobe. i'm blocking and leaving the sjws to deal with them, before i [censor] explode look, im not saying don't be angry. you have every right to be. but being rude is not. gonna. help. never has been, never will be the answer, especially in a situation where you're trying to get other people to listen to you and your reasoning.
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Post by Sour Candy on Sept 29, 2016 11:06:46 GMT -5
Wow this escalated quickly o.o
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 11:09:03 GMT -5
Wow this escalated quickly o.o I know, but this shouldn't even be an issue in the first place.
I don't think it's ever going to change though.. ;/
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Post by Sour Candy on Sept 29, 2016 11:11:38 GMT -5
Wow this escalated quickly o.o I know, but this shouldn't even be an issue in the first place.
I don't think it's ever going to change though.. ;/
Yeah, there isn't a whole lot that can be done about people like that. But they aren't being outwardly offensive, right? I'm not LGBT so I can't relate but as long as they aren't insulting you or stuff like that it isn't too bad...unless they are in which case that's not okay
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Post by greene on Sept 29, 2016 11:12:48 GMT -5
by the logic that a lot of you seem to be using, anyone can "believe" anything.
by all means, make any restrictions you like. but as someone said earlier, what if I, for instance, didn't "believe" that white people and racial minorities could interact with each other, so I said "no non-whites"? is that covered under this rule?
also, you're opening this activity to the public. if you were writing a book without LGBT characters because you had something against them (for some godforsaken reason), fine. it's your book. but a roleplay is literally an invitation for others to write with you. you really can't just put this out there and then say, "no, that's not okay with me" when someone wants to join in.
if it's really against your "beliefs", then don't make it public. find someone else or a small group who only want to roleplay one type of character and make it private between them. fine. done.
"let everyone express their opinions" is a good rule, but it's being carried out very poorly.
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Post by mymerlincat on Sept 29, 2016 11:54:17 GMT -5
Anyone who is LGBT has the opportunity to make a straight character. I'm a boy myself and I've RPed female characters before. I don't think I've said anything offensive in this thread. If I can tolerate and accept that people are LGBT, then it is only fair that I be accepted for it not being a part of my beliefs. Again, everyone is welcome to post on these boards and in every thread. It is up to the creator to decide what is discussed and allowed. This is why RPs have their own thread. You are obligated to go elsewhere. No one should have to give up their beliefs to accommodate someone else
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