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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 8:52:29 GMT -5
everyone seems to love him and ship bumble x dove
am i the only one who finds him creepy ?? :/ |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Sept 28, 2016 9:58:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I hate him, but I do think he comes off as creepy at times. Otherwise, I'm pretty much neutral on him lol.
I didn't like Bumble x Dove, and I didn't like Tiger x Dove either. I ship Dove x No one lmao
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 10:56:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I hate him, but I definitely don't like him. His mood swings and projecting his expectations onto Dovewing are rlly gross :/// he's a special edition away from being another Ashfur
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 11:27:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I hate him, but I do think he comes off as creepy at times. Otherwise, I'm pretty much neutral on him lol. I didn't like Bumble x Dove, and I didn't like Tiger x Dove either. I ship Dove x No one lmao That's what Dovewing deserves imo. |
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Post by mEmE on Sept 28, 2016 13:10:45 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm sad the way he turned out. The Erin's destroyed a potential for another good character. I was hoping him and Dovewing to have a Thrushpelt-Bluestar relationship
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 13:59:40 GMT -5
Not a fan.
Bumblestripe needs to respect her space. People feel sorry for him, but really he brought it upon himself. He was even an ass to her at one point because he knew she didn't share his feelings and guilt-tripped her for it. Bumblestripe expects a lot from her, even kits, which is creepy. I do not like Bumblestripe, I do not understand why people don't realize how creepy he is sometimes. Bumblestripe seems a little obsessed over her and he always wants to be around her, even during the most important moments.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 14:00:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't say I hate him, but I do think he comes off as creepy at times. Otherwise, I'm pretty much neutral on him lol. I didn't like Bumble x Dove, and I didn't like Tiger x Dove either. I ship Dove x No one lmao That's what Dovewing deserves imo. Deserves? What does she deserve to be completely alone? |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 14:02:46 GMT -5
That's what Dovewing deserves imo. Deserves? What does she deserve to be completely alone? yup |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 14:07:53 GMT -5
Deserves? What does she deserve to be completely alone? yup Not to be rude, but.. that.. doesn't really answer my question. What is your opinion on her? What makes you believe that she deserves to be alone? |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 14:09:56 GMT -5
Not to be rude, but.. that.. doesn't really answer my question. What is your opinion on her? What makes you believe that she deserves to be alone? Well, I hate her for being a whiny brat and insensitive sister. |
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My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 28, 2016 14:16:58 GMT -5
Not to be rude, but.. that.. doesn't really answer my question. What is your opinion on her? What makes you believe that she deserves to be alone? Well, I hate her for being a whiny brat and insensitive sister. That's not really a fair claim. Dovewing is a gross character but you have a view of her that is the equivalent to Ivypool's incredibly biased and far from the truth view of Dovewing. Dovewing was whiny when compared to the other protagonists in this series however she didn't do bad things and try to justify them. That makes her not a brat. Dovewing did try to reach out to Ivypool, but she wasn't very successful because she is a functioning idiot and played into Ivypool's bait and switches. Not to mention Ivypool pushed her away as well. |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 14:20:39 GMT -5
Well, I hate her for being a whiny brat and insensitive sister. That's not really a fair claim. Dovewing is a gross character but you have a view of her that is the equivalent to Ivypool's incredibly biased and far from the truth view of Dovewing. Dovewing was whiny when compared to the other protagonists in this series however she didn't do bad things and try to justify them. That makes her not a brat. Dovewing did try to reach out to Ivypool, but she wasn't very successful because she is a functioning idiot and played into Ivypool's bait and switches. Not to mention Ivypool pushed her away as well. Look, this leads to nowhere. I hate her, you like her. I get it. |
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My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 28, 2016 14:21:57 GMT -5
That's not really a fair claim. Dovewing is a gross character but you have a view of her that is the equivalent to Ivypool's incredibly biased and far from the truth view of Dovewing. Dovewing was whiny when compared to the other protagonists in this series however she didn't do bad things and try to justify them. That makes her not a brat. Dovewing did try to reach out to Ivypool, but she wasn't very successful because she is a functioning idiot and played into Ivypool's bait and switches. Not to mention Ivypool pushed her away as well. Look, this leads to nowhere. I hate her, you like her. I get it. I said in the first sentence that Dovewing is a gross character. I hate Dovewing. What is your point? |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 14:24:23 GMT -5
Look, this leads to nowhere. I hate her, you like her. I get it. I said in the first sentence that Dovewing is a gross character. I hate Dovewing. What is your point? Sorry, I forgot or misread that. What is your point? I'm trying to end this argument. |
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My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 28, 2016 14:30:14 GMT -5
I said in the first sentence that Dovewing is a gross character. I hate Dovewing. What is your point? Sorry, I forgot or misread that. What is your point? I'm trying to end this argument. My point is to make you think. An argument can't stand with out strong premises to support it. Your argument is woefully unimpressive. I don't care if we share the same final opinion, you can't abuse the fallacy of suppressed evidence and not expect someone like me, to call you out on it. |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 14:35:06 GMT -5
Sorry, I forgot or misread that. What is your point? I'm trying to end this argument. My point is to make you think. An argument can't stand with out strong premises to support it. Your argument is woefully unimpressive. I don't care if we share the same final opinion, you can't abuse the fallacy of suppressed evidence and not expect someone like me, to call you out on it. Okay? And I'm saying I just want to stop arguing. And think what made Ivypool push Dovewing away in the first place (Dovewing herself). So if that's what you wanted to hear, cool. I hope I can now stop arguing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 14:42:42 GMT -5
That's not really a fair claim. Dovewing is a gross character but you have a view of her that is the equivalent to Ivypool's incredibly biased and far from the truth view of Dovewing. Dovewing was whiny when compared to the other protagonists in this series however she didn't do bad things and try to justify them. That makes her not a brat. Dovewing did try to reach out to Ivypool, but she wasn't very successful because she is a functioning idiot and played into Ivypool's bait and switches. Not to mention Ivypool pushed her away as well. Look, this leads to nowhere. I hate her, you like her. I get it. We're not bashing on you, Whisper. I'll admit I am a bit overprotective of Dove, but I try not to offend people over it. We are simply stating our opinions. |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 14:45:06 GMT -5
Look, this leads to nowhere. I hate her, you like her. I get it. We're not bashing on you, Whisper. I'll admit I am a bit overprotective of Dove, but I try not to offend people over it. We are simply stating our opinions. Okay, this starts to remind me of one of my first threads on wcf. Well sorry if I got little carried away but I'm seriously not in the mood of arguing. |
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My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 28, 2016 14:55:29 GMT -5
My point is to make you think. An argument can't stand with out strong premises to support it. Your argument is woefully unimpressive. I don't care if we share the same final opinion, you can't abuse the fallacy of suppressed evidence and not expect someone like me, to call you out on it. Okay? And I'm saying I just want to stop arguing. And think what made Ivypool push Dovewing away in the first place (Dovewing herself). So if that's what you wanted to hear, cool. I hope I can now stop arguing. That still not a fair claim because Dovewing didn't try hurt Ivypool. It was Ivypool's peers that mocked Ivypool for not being as skilled as her sister, which festered into a misguided rage. Could Dovewing have tried harder to help Ivypool? Yeah she could have. But that wasn't her fault either. It was Lionblaze and Jayfeather's dumb and hypocritical rules and lack of foresight that forced Dovewing to not be honest with Ivypool. She could have defied them but that takes some nerve which Dovewing doesn't have. The conflict was a misunderstanding. My goal is to make you get a better Dovewing hatred argument. Its painful seeing regurgitated Ivypool mentality anywhere and everywhere. Ivypool, more than any other character in the books besides Dovewing herself, is not a reliable narrator. She implies things that aren't true and are a product of her own perception. The audience buys into her narrative because she is the victim of bullying. The source of her misfortune happens to be a character who doesn't have a likable personality and is one of the worst written characters the series has to offer. Its the bias I don't like. But fine whatever makes you happy. We can stop. |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 14:59:49 GMT -5
Okay? And I'm saying I just want to stop arguing. And think what made Ivypool push Dovewing away in the first place (Dovewing herself). So if that's what you wanted to hear, cool. I hope I can now stop arguing. That still not a fair claim because Dovewing didn't try hurt Ivypool. It was Ivypool's peers that mocked Ivypool for not being as skilled as her sister, which festered into a misguided rage. Could Dovewing have tried harder to help Ivypool? Yeah she could have. But that wasn't her fault either. It was Lionblaze and Jayfeather's dumb and hypocritical rules and lack of foresight that forced Dovewing to not be honest with Ivypool. She could have defied them but that takes some nerve which Dovewing doesn't have. The conflict was a misunderstanding. My goal is to make you get a better Dovewing hatred argument. Its painful seeing regurgitated Ivypool mentality anywhere and everywhere. Ivypool, more than any other character in the books besides Dovewing herself, is not a reliable narrator. She implies things that aren't true and are a product of her own perception. The audience buys into her narrative because she is the victim of bullying. The source of her misfortune happens to be a character who doesn't have a likable personality and is one of the worst written characters the series has to offer. Its the bias I don't like. But fine whatever makes you happy. We can stop. I thought this was place where you can have opinion no matter what. And now you are saying that literally over 50% of the fandom's opinion is wrong and that it isn't true? Sorry but the way you said it makes it sound like that. So I guess Dovewing wasn't entirely the one to blame, but she isn't exactly innocent either. So if my opinion being wrong is your point, this conversation can be over. If you have something to say and I misunderstood you, we shall continue. |
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 28, 2016 15:11:18 GMT -5
That still not a fair claim because Dovewing didn't try hurt Ivypool. It was Ivypool's peers that mocked Ivypool for not being as skilled as her sister, which festered into a misguided rage. Could Dovewing have tried harder to help Ivypool? Yeah she could have. But that wasn't her fault either. It was Lionblaze and Jayfeather's dumb and hypocritical rules and lack of foresight that forced Dovewing to not be honest with Ivypool. She could have defied them but that takes some nerve which Dovewing doesn't have. The conflict was a misunderstanding. My goal is to make you get a better Dovewing hatred argument. Its painful seeing regurgitated Ivypool mentality anywhere and everywhere. Ivypool, more than any other character in the books besides Dovewing herself, is not a reliable narrator. She implies things that aren't true and are a product of her own perception. The audience buys into her narrative because she is the victim of bullying. The source of her misfortune happens to be a character who doesn't have a likable personality and is one of the worst written characters the series has to offer. Its the bias I don't like. But fine whatever makes you happy. We can stop. I thought this was place where you can have opinion no matter what. And now you are saying that literally over 50% of the fandom's opinion is wrong and that it isn't true? Sorry but the way you said it makes it sound like that. So I guess Dovewing wasn't entirely the one to blame, but she isn't exactly innocent either. So if my opinion being wrong is your point, this conversation can be over. If you have something to say and I misunderstood you, we shall continue. You have the right to your opinion, I have the right to criticize it. You have the right to believe something. That doesn't make it right. Debate is about finding the truth. Truth is valued higher than falsity or unmeasured claims. In this environment your opinion is shorthand for a hypothesis, thesis, or claim. And a hypothesis can be shown to be true based on what we know or false based on what we know. Respect can exist in controversy and its for the best when it does. I respect that you think a certain way. If I didn't I would approach this differently. However respect does not translate to everyone having a strong argument. |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 28, 2016 15:15:59 GMT -5
I thought this was place where you can have opinion no matter what. And now you are saying that literally over 50% of the fandom's opinion is wrong and that it isn't true? Sorry but the way you said it makes it sound like that. So I guess Dovewing wasn't entirely the one to blame, but she isn't exactly innocent either. So if my opinion being wrong is your point, this conversation can be over. If you have something to say and I misunderstood you, we shall continue. You have the right to your opinion, I have the right to criticize it. You have the right to believe something. That doesn't make it right. Debate is about finding the truth. Truth is valued higher than falsity or unmeasured claims. In this environment your opinion is shorthand for a hypothesis, thesis, or claim. And a hypothesis can be shown to be true based on what we know or false based on what we know. Respect can exist in controversy and its for the best when it does. I respect that you think a certain way. If I didn't I would approach this differently. However respect does not translate to everyone having a strong argument. Well, I guess you do have the right to critisize it, but I'm not willing to change my opinion, or at least not now. |
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My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 28, 2016 15:21:14 GMT -5
You have the right to your opinion, I have the right to criticize it. You have the right to believe something. That doesn't make it right. Debate is about finding the truth. Truth is valued higher than falsity or unmeasured claims. In this environment your opinion is shorthand for a hypothesis, thesis, or claim. And a hypothesis can be shown to be true based on what we know or false based on what we know. Respect can exist in controversy and its for the best when it does. I respect that you think a certain way. If I didn't I would approach this differently. However respect does not translate to everyone having a strong argument. Well, I guess you do have the right to critisize it, but I'm not willing to change my opinion, or at least not now. alright~ |
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Post by Wicked Witch on Sept 28, 2016 17:44:57 GMT -5
no
i never saw him as creepy. dovewing was never emotionally invested in this relationship. this romantic relationship. so of course she's gonna find it creepy when some guy she doesn't even really like but, is acting as if she is, comes and says he can't wait until they have kits.
but i don't really care much for him.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Sept 28, 2016 18:58:39 GMT -5
That line where he said "You'll make a great mother" to Dovewing was creepy and I wasn't a fan of his rant in TLH where he said that he was her "scratching post" as all she did was trip him. But I didn't think he was overall a bad cat. He was clingy and creepy at times, but I don't see any reason to hate him. He didn't do anything outrageously bad.
I never really cared much for him ever, though, because I always thought that he was kind of boring.
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 28, 2016 19:35:15 GMT -5
He annoys me
Not a fan of over protective people
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 28, 2016 20:06:22 GMT -5
he was creepy I didn't like him
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 15:04:17 GMT -5
I think he's quaint and possessive when in a relationship, albeit good-intentioned. Otherwise, I'm neutral as to this matter.
I personally think Dovewing deserves a mate; she hasn't found her inner strength yet, so she needs someone to be there for her. But Bumblestripe isn't that someone.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 29, 2016 19:40:39 GMT -5
I don't like him, or BumbleDove, but as far as TAS is going, he seems more likeable than Tigerheart atm.
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