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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 25, 2016 17:48:13 GMT -5
So regardless of who is at fault for everything that's happened, I think we can all agree that some things need to change. That's the beauty of a community-run boards site, is that we can change things as we wish. However, while changing the mod team, making stricter rules, and recruiting new staff are all great things we can do, there is more we can do in a broad sense to help this community survive for as long as possible. I think that the solution, the key to a long-lasting community, lies beyond changing things around here. It lies in creating a larger, further-reaching community. Now, before anyone jumps to the comments to accuse me of overreacting and blah blah blah, hear me out. By establishing 1-2 additional sites for this community, we are benefiting this community as a whole. Yes, benefitting. I'm not telling anyone to leave. I'm not trying to start some stupid forum boycott. A lot of this community's problems lie in the fact that we have one place to exist. We have no alternative sites to go to when things get tense or dramatic around here. We're virtually "trapped" here, if you will, left to claw at each others' throats because this community as a whole has no other site to turn to. Nobody here wants to see this site fail. I don't want to see this site fail. However, by having alternate sites be a part of our community, we can help ensure its health. When the crap hit the fan yesterday, people who were angry and tense could have gone to one of the alt. sites to cool down a bit. If our community is given different options, perhaps we wouldn't be so tense due to the fact that we are forced down a single tunnel into a single option. And God forbid something does happen to this site, wouldn't it be nice to have somewhere to go where you are already established? It's something to consider. I hope this site stays for a long time, but anything can happen. And plus, what happens when you tire of the site but not the community? This is not a hate rant about this site. This is not a call for a boycott. It is an offering to the community to grow itself and give itself options to turn to when they tire of the sole one they have. I appreciate what the people on this site did to save this community, I really do. But now it's time for us to grow, and give ourselves a wider base to function with. It's time for us to break free from the "one site" thing we've been stuck in since 2009. Both ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 and I have established alt sites not for the purpose of destroying this one, but for helping it by giving users an opportunity to direct their anger and frustrations elsewhere without feeling like there is nowhere else to go. This will not solve all of this site's problems specifically, but perhaps it will help just a little. Expanding is not us being ungrateful. It's us using what we have and building upon it to make a stronger community. Give it a chance. It might work, but only if we can muscle through it as one community, not a group of individuals.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 17:56:29 GMT -5
I believe that if others wanted more than one website to go on that's Warrior's-centered, they could just Google it.
Of course, that would mean many of the people they know on this forum probably wouldn't be there, but if they want to talk to those specific people they can start a group chat via PMs. edit; as for the "if something happened to this forum" thing, I'd hope there'd be a warning period beforehand so others do have time to establish themselves elsewhere.
editx2: going to other sites to cool off might just bring the problems to the other sites as well, which would defeat the entire purpose
So I guess the watered down version of my opinion on this is it's unnecessary.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 25, 2016 17:56:48 GMT -5
I'm currently working on the rules and everything, and I still have a lot to do. I'm trying to apply what we're learning from the mistakes here and applying it there. I want to make it a very open community, even if it may end up small.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 25, 2016 18:01:32 GMT -5
I believe that if others wanted more than one website to go on that's Warrior's-centered, they could just Google it. Of course, that would mean many of the people they know on this forum probably wouldn't be there, but if they want to talk to those specific people they can start a group chat via PMs. edit; as for the "if something happened to this forum" thing, I'd hope there'd be a warning period beforehand so others do have time to establish themselves elsewhere. editx2: going to other sites to cool off might just bring the problems to the other sites as well, which would defeat the entire purpose So I guess the watered down version of my opinion on this is it's unnecessary. Why exactly do you think it's unnecessary? Not every person wants to stay on this site, yet some people don't want to abandon the community. I don't see why it's unnecessary. Quite a few fandoms have multiple sites that are active.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 18:03:55 GMT -5
As I said, "I believe that if others wanted more than one website to go on that's Warrior's-centered, they could just Google it." There's no need to peddle certain other sites on this one - and it could have the opposite effect, making this site less active instead of more.
So like, if people didn't want to stay on this site, they don't have to, and they also don't have to abandon the community. They can just google "warrior's forums" and choose from the results presented there.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 25, 2016 18:07:03 GMT -5
As I said, "I believe that if others wanted more than one website to go on that's Warrior's-centered, they could just Google it." There's no need to peddle certain other sites on this one - and it could have the opposite effect, making this site less active instead of more. So like, if people didn't want to stay on this site, they don't have to, and they also don't have to abandon the community. They can just google "warrior's forums" and choose from the results presented there. There are no sites for Warriors that contain communities as active as this one. I don't see the harm in presenting someone with an option instead of just shoving them aside and telling them to go and look it up themselves. Having another site co-exist with this one doesn't kill it. It helps it by allowing people to go somewhere else when they get sick of the drama over here, and vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 18:10:04 GMT -5
As I said, "I believe that if others wanted more than one website to go on that's Warrior's-centered, they could just Google it." There's no need to peddle certain other sites on this one - and it could have the opposite effect, making this site less active instead of more. So like, if people didn't want to stay on this site, they don't have to, and they also don't have to abandon the community. They can just google "warrior's forums" and choose from the results presented there. There are no sites for Warriors that contain communities as active as this one. I don't see the harm in presenting someone with an option instead of just shoving them aside and telling them to go and look it up themselves. Having another site co-exist with this one doesn't kill it. It helps it by allowing people to go somewhere else when they get sick of the drama over here, and vice versa. Okay, I think I can see the merits in that. I don't actually know about the activity of any other Warrior's websites beyond this one, so I'm definitely uninformed in that regard. Though people escaping drama can only happen if the drama doesn't get carried over to the other site, which is something I'd be really afraid of. Do you have any proposals on how to avoid that? Semi-related, if there is going to be a second website, I think the staff on this site and the other one both need to agree on the staff on both websites. So it really would be more of a unified entity. Thoughts?
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 25, 2016 18:13:09 GMT -5
As I said, "I believe that if others wanted more than one website to go on that's Warrior's-centered, they could just Google it." There's no need to peddle certain other sites on this one - and it could have the opposite effect, making this site less active instead of more. So like, if people didn't want to stay on this site, they don't have to, and they also don't have to abandon the community. They can just google "warrior's forums" and choose from the results presented there. I have done that before and a lot of the sites were dead, or weren't exactly the most welcoming. I don't think Lana was intentionally trying to rally people to their site or mine, but putting it out there for those who don't want to search can help. But everyone making a bunch of sites would be an issue. So far, I've only seen three.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 25, 2016 18:22:07 GMT -5
There are no sites for Warriors that contain communities as active as this one. I don't see the harm in presenting someone with an option instead of just shoving them aside and telling them to go and look it up themselves. Having another site co-exist with this one doesn't kill it. It helps it by allowing people to go somewhere else when they get sick of the drama over here, and vice versa. Okay, I think I can see the merits in that. I don't actually know about the activity of any other Warrior's websites beyond this one, so I'm definitely uninformed in that regard. Though people escaping drama can only happen if the drama doesn't get carried over to the other site, which is something I'd be really afraid of. Do you have any proposals on how to avoid that? Semi-related, if there is going to be a second website, I think the staff on this site and the other one both need to agree on the staff on both websites. So it really would be more of a unified entity. Thoughts? Basically for my site, people can rant if they are having issues with another one of the sites, but they have to keep it modest. They can't go around saying things like how they hope so and so goes to hell or whatever, or else they'll get in trouble. If they try and bring the drama over to my site, then they'll be treated the same under the rules. The rules allow for debating, but draw the line when things get too heated or rude. It's fine for people to rant, but not bash. And as for the staff thing, I think it should be up to the leaders of the individual sites to decide. The staff on here are welcome to apply, but some people may want to go to another site due to issues with staff on here or vice versa. Think of it like how the people in the U.S. are all Americans, yet each state in the U.S. determines its leaders without input from the others.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 25, 2016 18:38:02 GMT -5
Any other opinions/suggestions?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 18:45:22 GMT -5
Okay, I think I can see the merits in that. I don't actually know about the activity of any other Warrior's websites beyond this one, so I'm definitely uninformed in that regard. Though people escaping drama can only happen if the drama doesn't get carried over to the other site, which is something I'd be really afraid of. Do you have any proposals on how to avoid that? Semi-related, if there is going to be a second website, I think the staff on this site and the other one both need to agree on the staff on both websites. So it really would be more of a unified entity. Thoughts? Basically for my site, people can rant if they are having issues with another one of the sites, but they have to keep it modest. They can't go around saying things like how they hope so and so goes to hell or whatever, or else they'll get in trouble. If they try and bring the drama over to my site, then they'll be treated the same under the rules. The rules allow for debating, but draw the line when things get too heated or rude. It's fine for people to rant, but not bash. And as for the staff thing, I think it should be up to the leaders of the individual sites to decide. The staff on here are welcome to apply, but some people may want to go to another site due to issues with staff on here or vice versa. Think of it like how the people in the U.S. are all Americans, yet each state in the U.S. determines its leaders without input from the others. Okay, so no naming names or starting problems? Sounds okay, I think. Is it possible at all for there to be a public forum that doesn't allow replies? Like, a rant forum where anyone can post their rants, everyone on the forum can see them, but only staff can reply? I think that might help lower the chances of people starting things. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding, so I'm probably going to repeat myself a little to be sure I'm as clear as possible: I didn't mean the same staff members are on both sites, I meant the staff is approved of on both sites. Like, if someone named TreeHugger wanted to be a mod, the staff on WCRPForums and the staff on your site would both have to have a majority vote of agreement for them to be a mod on WCRPF only. Does that make sense? I feel like it still doesn't ): My overall suggestion so far would be: Find ways to be sure both sites are actually united, so there's not as much conflict.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 25, 2016 18:54:41 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 26, 2016 17:02:32 GMT -5
Basically for my site, people can rant if they are having issues with another one of the sites, but they have to keep it modest. They can't go around saying things like how they hope so and so goes to hell or whatever, or else they'll get in trouble. If they try and bring the drama over to my site, then they'll be treated the same under the rules. The rules allow for debating, but draw the line when things get too heated or rude. It's fine for people to rant, but not bash. And as for the staff thing, I think it should be up to the leaders of the individual sites to decide. The staff on here are welcome to apply, but some people may want to go to another site due to issues with staff on here or vice versa. Think of it like how the people in the U.S. are all Americans, yet each state in the U.S. determines its leaders without input from the others. Okay, so no naming names or starting problems? Sounds okay, I think. Is it possible at all for there to be a public forum that doesn't allow replies? Like, a rant forum where anyone can post their rants, everyone on the forum can see them, but only staff can reply? I think that might help lower the chances of people starting things. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding, so I'm probably going to repeat myself a little to be sure I'm as clear as possible: I didn't mean the same staff members are on both sites, I meant the staff is approved of on both sites. Like, if someone named TreeHugger wanted to be a mod, the staff on WCRPForums and the staff on your site would both have to have a majority vote of agreement for them to be a mod on WCRPF only. Does that make sense? I feel like it still doesn't ): My overall suggestion so far would be: Find ways to be sure both sites are actually united, so there's not as much conflict. As much as that sounds like a good idea, I don't think it would work. It would only lead to warring on both sides over staff disagreements. Good suggestion, though. If someone were to apply for staff on my site, I'd take into account their behavior on here, too.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 26, 2016 17:20:10 GMT -5
if people need to vent or cool off, why do they need another site specifically designed for warriors? why not just go to tumblr or skype or something like that to talk to friends?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 17:21:27 GMT -5
if people need to vent or cool off, why do they need another site specifically designed for warriors? why not just go to tumblr or skype or something like that to talk to friends? True, that would be the best way to keep conflict away from the forums. and if the harsher penalty system is implemented, with the banning... yeah
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 26, 2016 17:25:29 GMT -5
if people need to vent or cool off, why do they need another site specifically designed for warriors? why not just go to tumblr or skype or something like that to talk to friends? Because sometimes it's nice to vent within this community.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 26, 2016 17:28:31 GMT -5
I don't see issue with either of us making our own forums. Eight made one and I don't see any criticism about that. The chat was filled with hate about these forums and members. My forums are so if people want to escape drama, they can. It's not to vent, but an option if they don't like these. I say let people run alternatives how they feel and with their own reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 17:33:30 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with making your own forums
eight made a forum for a completely different reason. he made it so people could talk there during the shutdown.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 26, 2016 17:34:58 GMT -5
I don't see issue with either of us making our own forums. Eight made one and I don't see any criticism about that. The chat was filled with hate about these forums and members. My forums are so if people want to escape drama, they can. It's not to vent, but an option if they don't like these. I say let people run alternatives how they feel and with their own reasons. Eight isn't the best model...he's a pretty controversial forumer. But I get what you're saying. I'm not saying that others can't make their own boards if they want, I'm simply not agreeing that it is necessary. //shrugs//
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 17:37:17 GMT -5
Alternative sites are fine, in my opinion.
I just think -advertising should be limited, like having one post dedicated to the website, or having it in the owner's signature, but no overt sharing bc competition or whatever -there should only be one other, accepted website. Too many "other" websites will just lower activity across every site as people try to juggle all accounts and topics everywhere and etc. edit;; note by "other, accepted" i mean staff-acknowledged, so what i said here is like pointless if the staff never acknowledges this idea -it should be linked with this one. It can't count as part of this community if they're 3294327% separate. I again reiterate my idea of staff being accepted by staff members on both sites. There are probably other ways I could suggest but I'm not feeling well enough to go over the entire thing when staff from this site haven't given this idea any attention
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Post by Bunny on Sept 26, 2016 17:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 26, 2016 17:45:53 GMT -5
I don't think there should be one, because that's not fair to the forums already made to be casted aside. But we shouldn't have five of them. I don't get why we have to be so restricted and controlled.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 27, 2016 16:41:19 GMT -5
I don't think there should be one, because that's not fair to the forums already made to be casted aside. But we shouldn't have five of them. I don't get why we have to be so restricted and controlled. This ^
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