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Sept 24, 2016 9:00:53 GMT -5
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 24, 2016 9:00:53 GMT -5
So Larchkit and Hollykit died because Ferncloud didn't have enough milk?
According to the wiki they were over 2 months old at death and I thought that kittens stop drinking milk at 2 months and move to normal food.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 10:28:50 GMT -5
The erins don't know crap about cats
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 10:33:04 GMT -5
Kits start eating solid food at 1 month, but they don't stop drinking their mother's milk till after 2 months. But considering the entire clan were starving by then- including Ferncloud- she probably stopped giving milk early due to her malnourishment, and then with very little solid food to feed the kits, they were in a pretty bad situation. Even if they could technically live without the milk, not much solid food was available so they would be extremely weak from lack of solid food anyway.
It was pretty bad, and if ThunderClan hadn't left Birchfall would have probably died too.
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Sept 24, 2016 10:47:35 GMT -5
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 24, 2016 10:47:35 GMT -5
The erins don't know crap about cats I love your username |
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Sept 25, 2016 15:02:01 GMT -5
Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 25, 2016 15:02:01 GMT -5
Kits start eating solid food at 1 month, but they don't stop drinking their mother's milk till after 2 months. But considering the entire clan were starving by then- including Ferncloud- she probably stopped giving milk early due to her malnourishment, and then with very little solid food to feed the kits, they were in a pretty bad situation. Even if they could technically live without the milk, not much solid food was available so they would be extremely weak from lack of solid food anyway. It was pretty bad, and if ThunderClan hadn't left Birchfall would have probably died too. I agree with this. It was likely Ferncloud was continuing to give them milk over feeding them solid food because there wasn't much solid food to go around. |
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Sept 25, 2016 15:56:50 GMT -5
Post by Mistybreeze on Sept 25, 2016 15:56:50 GMT -5
Hollykit actually froze to death. Larchkit was the only one who starved.
But if I remember correctly, wasn't someone chewing up food for Birchkit because he wasn't weaned right after Hollykit died in Dawn? It sounded like he was still nursing exclusively even though he was well over weaning age.
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Sept 25, 2016 21:53:44 GMT -5
Post by Pandean on Sept 25, 2016 21:53:44 GMT -5
It is confusing, and I don't know much about cats, but I do know that in the warrior series there is an herb (God help me I can't remember it right now) that helps a queen's milk supply so unless they were completely out they should have been able to use some of it. Borage. I think by that point there weren't many herbs left. It was also leaf-fall/leaf-bare or something too when they were traveling so it would've been hard to get the herb in the first place. So Larchkit and Hollykit died because Ferncloud didn't have enough milk? According to the wiki they were over 2 months old at death and I thought that kittens stop drinking milk at 2 months and move to normal food. I think that it was a mix between that and malnurishment in general. If Ferncloud wasn't producing enough milk in the first place then the kits would be suckling longer since it's something that gives the kits vital nutrients and antibodies. If there wasn't enough food to go around for the adult cats in the first place, adding kits wouldn't help much, since everyone was starving. So it's probably a mixture of there being very little food in general for all + Ferncloud having trouble with milk. |
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Sept 25, 2016 22:27:07 GMT -5
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Post by mEmE on Sept 25, 2016 22:27:07 GMT -5
which is why it's stupid for wild cats to have babies in winter. Normal feral cats would be doing it in spring and having kids likely in early autumn. But these books are treating the she cats like they in heat when they feel like it, another thing to add to the books' inaccuracy.
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Sept 26, 2016 0:40:38 GMT -5
Post by Pandean on Sept 26, 2016 0:40:38 GMT -5
which is why it's stupid for wild cats to have babies in winter. Normal feral cats would be doing it in spring and having kids likely in early autumn. But these books are treating the she cats like they in heat when they feel like it, another thing to add to the books' inaccuracy. I mean it's not like they even acknowledge the existence of being in heat in the first place. It is a children's book series after all. It's more likely that the relationships are written where the cats fall in love and do the do like people would. |
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Sept 26, 2016 6:12:25 GMT -5
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Post by mEmE on Sept 26, 2016 6:12:25 GMT -5
which is why it's stupid for wild cats to have babies in winter. Normal feral cats would be doing it in spring and having kids likely in early autumn. But these books are treating the she cats like they in heat when they feel like it, another thing to add to the books' inaccuracy. I mean it's not like they even acknowledge the existence of being in heat in the first place. It is a children's book series after all. It's more likely that the relationships are written where the cats fall in love and do the do like people would. But wouldn't they be smart enough to not have kids in the winter? Having kids in a winter where there is snow is basically giving your kids a higher chance of death. Even the medicine cats have the rough idea. But since these cats are acting as humans, I have no hope for any common sense for these cats. |
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Sept 26, 2016 10:51:55 GMT -5
Post by Pandean on Sept 26, 2016 10:51:55 GMT -5
I mean it's not like they even acknowledge the existence of being in heat in the first place. It is a children's book series after all. It's more likely that the relationships are written where the cats fall in love and do the do like people would. But wouldn't they be smart enough to not have kids in the winter? Having kids in a winter where there is snow is basically giving your kids a higher chance of death. Even the medicine cats have the rough idea. But since these cats are acting as humans, I have no hope for any common sense for these cats. People have kids all the time without thinking about it. The cats are basically furry humans. So obviously they aren't going to be thinking about all that. It's been brought up that many kits have been raised in leaf-bare with little problems in the series. -shrug- It's not like birth control or abortion exists in this world. It's also not like they Erins are going to spend a lot of time on the characters sexual escapades. |
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Sept 27, 2016 1:52:56 GMT -5
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 27, 2016 1:52:56 GMT -5
I mean it's not like they even acknowledge the existence of being in heat in the first place. It is a children's book series after all. It's more likely that the relationships are written where the cats fall in love and do the do like people would. But wouldn't they be smart enough to not have kids in the winter? Having kids in a winter where there is snow is basically giving your kids a higher chance of death. Even the medicine cats have the rough idea. But since these cats are acting as humans, I have no hope for any common sense for these cats. It's so true it's sad. |
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