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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 23, 2016 19:05:47 GMT -5
What if Snowkit wasn't abducted by that hawk?
Do you think he would've been given the chance to become a warrior? Or would he have been moved to the Elder's den from an early age?
For people with memory half as bad as my own, Snowkit was Speckletail's (OG series) last kit. He was born deaf and it was discovered by Brackenfur (who wanted to mentor him in the future), and, subsequently, the entire clan.
Bluestar told Speckletail that he could never be a true warrior due to his deafness.
Speckletail took offense to this and tried to train him on her own, but it wasn't working.
One day, she was using the dirt place and a hawk swooped into the middle of the clearing, and, since he didn't hear the warnings of those around him to hide, he was taken away by the predatory creature.
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 23, 2016 19:56:10 GMT -5
I think Brackenfur and Speckletail could've trained him to be kinda a warrior. He wouldn't be able to do as much but could still help in some ways. Like....just apprentice duties pretty much
But something
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 26, 2016 13:31:04 GMT -5
I think he would have been moved to the elders den but Speckletail would try to train him in camp to do basic things and Brackenfur would see her and help. Snowkit would never be a proper apprentices but he'd be kept busy and eventually allowed to help out a bit around camp.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Sept 26, 2016 13:35:49 GMT -5
I think he would have been moved to the elders den but Speckletail would try to train him in camp to do basic things and Brackenfur would see her and help. Snow lot would never be a proper apprentices but he'd be kept busy and eventually allowed to help out a bit around camp. Agreed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 13:43:09 GMT -5
I find it annoying that people automatically assume that just because he was deaf, he wouldn't be able to preform warrior duties.
Brackenfur would have skillfully trained him. The Clan would figure out a way to communicate with him—it would have been amazing to see a form of sign language develop (but alas, the Erins just love missing opportunities). Plus, the elders could help him along, seeing as a majority of them were already turning deaf (poor of hearing, rather, but still).
Even though he would not be the best hunter nor fighter, his eyesight, sense of smell, and sense of touch would have been far sharper compared to anyone else's. He probably would adapt a sort of echo-location, by purring and trilling to allow himself to see all around his body, due to the fact that he wouldn't be able to hear if someone was sneaking up behind him. Plus, let's not forget whiskers. He'd be able to sense air currents from movements and voice vibrations like nobody's business.
Ultimately, I don't see why he wouldn't be a happy and successful warrior. Plus, it'd be a great way to introduce how the Clans would work with hard-of-hearing/deaf cats. Too bad that world development was shoved aside.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 26, 2016 13:45:01 GMT -5
Extended: when Brightheart was moved to the elders den after her injury Snowkit is excited to have a younger friend and tries what ever he can to make Brightheart comfortable. When Brightheart begins getting training Snowkit is jealous that he doesn't get to train to be a warrior like her. In the battle against BloodClan when Brightheart is told she may be a warrior if she survives the battle, Snowkit sneaks out and joins the fight. He dies in the battle but is glad he could experience what it was like to be a true clan cat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 14:44:00 GMT -5
I find it annoying that people automatically assume that just because he was deaf, he wouldn't be able to preform warrior duties.
Brackenfur would have skillfully trained him. The Clan would figure out a way to communicate with him—it would have been amazing to see a form of sign language develop (but alas, the Erins just love missing opportunities). Plus, the elders could help him along, seeing as a majority of them were already turning deaf (poor of hearing, rather, but still).
Even though he would not be the best hunter nor fighter, his eyesight, sense of smell, and sense of touch would have been far sharper compared to anyone else's. He probably would adapt a sort of echo-location, by purring and trilling to allow himself to see all around his body, due to the fact that he wouldn't be able to hear if someone was sneaking up behind him. Plus, let's not forget whiskers. He'd be able to sense air currents from movements and voice vibrations like nobody's business.
Ultimately, I don't see why he wouldn't be a happy and successful warrior. Plus, it'd be a great way to introduce how the Clans would work with hard-of-hearing/deaf cats. Too bad that world development was shoved aside. Agreed. I hate how the Erins used Snowkit as a disposable (and disposed) filler character when he really could have been so much more. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 17:53:51 GMT -5
I'm sick and tired of people defending snowkit. he wouldnt even know what a warrior is, let alone his place in a "clan." he wouldnt know any of that because he is DEAF and cats can only do so much with just their body language. im done. i dont want a flame war. im just sick of these snowkit threads. bye.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 26, 2016 17:57:09 GMT -5
Even though he would not be the best hunter nor fighter, his eyesight, sense of smell, and sense of touch would have been far sharper compared to anyone else's. He probably would adapt a sort of echo-location, by purring and trilling to allow himself to see all around his body, due to the fact that he wouldn't be able to hear if someone was sneaking up behind him. Plus, let's not forget whiskers. He'd be able to sense air currents from movements and voice vibrations like nobody's business.
Uh, to use echolocation he'd need to be able HEAR the sound bouncing back at him. I think this is too unrealistic even for warriors- he wouldn't be that sensitive to his environment and he's not a bat. The problem isn't so much that he can't hunt or fiight but that it's going to be hard for his clan mates to communicate with him even if they used sign language. They're in a forest so there's going to be a lot blocking him from seeing others on his patrol and they aren't always going to be able to get in front of him just to wave their tail or whatever. It's just impractical in a group situation. If he was a rogue or a loner it would be better because he wouldn't have to communicate with others |
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Post by andy on Sept 26, 2016 18:15:35 GMT -5
Snowkit probably could've learned to hunt and fight but I'd imagine he'd go hunting alone and probably be kept from battles unless they're within the camp, unless they learn some sort of sign language to give him proper orders, but i kind of doubt the whole Clan would be able to properly communicate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 19:05:01 GMT -5
Even though he would not be the best hunter nor fighter, his eyesight, sense of smell, and sense of touch would have been far sharper compared to anyone else's. He probably would adapt a sort of echo-location, by purring and trilling to allow himself to see all around his body, due to the fact that he wouldn't be able to hear if someone was sneaking up behind him. Plus, let's not forget whiskers. He'd be able to sense air currents from movements and voice vibrations like nobody's business.
Uh, to use echolocation he'd need to be able HEAR the sound bouncing back at him. I think this is too unrealistic even for warriors- he wouldn't be that sensitive to his environment and he's not a bat. The problem isn't so much that he can't hunt or fiight but that it's going to be hard for his clan mates to communicate with him even if they used sign language. They're in a forest so there's going to be a lot blocking him from seeing others on his patrol and they aren't always going to be able to get in front of him just to wave their tail or whatever. It's just impractical in a group situation. If he was a rogue or a loner it would be better because he wouldn't have to communicate with others
In Warriors, ShadowClan figured out battle signs in the swamp/evergreen forest by just mere tail-flicks. I highly doubt that it'd be too difficult to set up sign-language on the move in a forest environment. These cats have intelligence far beyond normal cat capacity, and it's already proven that they're fairly adaptive. I don't see why that'd prohibit them too bad. Furthermore, I hardly see why it'd just be tail movements. Cat communication is in the head, tail, flanks, and any sort of the body you can think of. That alone should be enough movement in a thick-foliaged surrounding. Along with this, a constant helper would be by his side to translate things and the like, and to basically be his ears. That's a given, or else he'd be as good as dead.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 26, 2016 20:24:27 GMT -5
Uh, to use echolocation he'd need to be able HEAR the sound bouncing back at him. I think this is too unrealistic even for warriors- he wouldn't be that sensitive to his environment and he's not a bat. The problem isn't so much that he can't hunt or fiight but that it's going to be hard for his clan mates to communicate with him even if they used sign language. They're in a forest so there's going to be a lot blocking him from seeing others on his patrol and they aren't always going to be able to get in front of him just to wave their tail or whatever. It's just impractical in a group situation. If he was a rogue or a loner it would be better because he wouldn't have to communicate with others
In Warriors, ShadowClan figured out battle signs in the swamp/evergreen forest by just mere tail-flicks. I highly doubt that it'd be too difficult to set up sign-language on the move in a forest environment. These cats have intelligence far beyond normal cat capacity, and it's already proven that they're fairly adaptive. I don't see why that'd prohibit them too bad. Furthermore, I hardly see why it'd just be tail movements. Cat communication is in the head, tail, flanks, and any sort of the body you can think of. That alone should be enough movement in a thick-foliaged surrounding. Along with this, a constant helper would be by his side to translate things and the like, and to basically be his ears. That's a given, or else he'd be as good as dead.
Detecting those purrs and such is still going to require being able to hear them. I don't think cats can feel purring with their whiskers can they? (I have no idea but I wouldn't think so- they're tactile). I don't think creating a sign language is going to be the problem. The Clans already do this and cats naturally do this. The problem comes in when they're out in the field doing warrior things like patrol and in battle. Cats aren't always going to be able to physically communicate, in warriors they speak for a lot of their communication and if Snowkit can't hear those orders or warnings when there's danger he's going to be in big trouble. Something as simple as his leader calling retreat in battle, Snowkit wont hear that and it'll be unlikely he'll notice his clanmates retreating if he's fighting for his life. Or if something like the eagle that took him were to happen with a fox and he didn't detect it and his clanmates are calling to him, unable to get to him or into his field of visiion he'd be caught off guard. While I like the idea of a helper to be his ears, I'd find it a bit sad that a warrior would have to basically look after him for the rest of Snowkit's warrior life. They'd want to be their own cat and be their own warrior. Sure, you could train multiple cats and have them rotate but I still feel like it's a lot of effort that the Clan might not want to make if there's a simpler option which would be to have him as an elder. Sad but practical. Also, the helper wont always be able to be by his side when they're out and about. They could get separated or the helper had to react to something and have no time to guide Snowkit. The helper thing is possible but it's a lot of effort and things could still go wrong. On the other paw, I feel like it would have been an interesting thing to read about. Snowkit would easily have the same issues as Jayfeather and feel irritated by being dependent on his clanmates so much. I bet he'd get himself into mischief quite a bit. |
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