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Post by nem on Sept 23, 2016 18:49:40 GMT -5
I notice that most people don't tend to like these books. I agree that they kind of suck. What do you think though?
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 23, 2016 19:01:45 GMT -5
I can't say anything about Bramblestar's Storm since I haven't read it yet, but as for the others...
The use of over-the-top "powers" The overall quality of writing The use of character archetypes that grew stale too quickly, especially Jayfeather and Lionblaze, as they carried over into OotS from PoT. Reincarnation drama Unnecessary romantic drama Lack of development outside the main cast The anticlimactic final battle The anticlimactic death of Firestar Inconsistent character motives Reincarnation drama Jayfeather's lack of development past his obsession w/ the prophecy Ivypool's gross jealousy issue with Dovewing Flametail's drama Sol's random involvement and lack of development there Hollyleaf Reincarnation drama Forced plot points Conveniently evil characters The all-over-the-place storyline Too many POVs Reincarnation drama
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 19:08:49 GMT -5
I'll tackle Bramblestar's Storm.
I hate this book because its boring. It's 500 pages of absolute rubbish where nothing happens. Before the book came out, the whole fandom was hyped because we were promised something new and exciting. This "storm" was supposed to be unlike anything the Clans had ever experienced. Instead we got a measily flood that barely killed anyone. Not to mention, there is no over all driving plot. The plots that are thrown in are completely random, and have nothing to do with the rest of the storyline. They are over and forgotten as quick as they happen, and they affect nothing in the overall storyline. The rest of the book is dedicated to boring Clan chores such as patrolling and apprentice training, which is boring. Also the prophecy was weak and meaningless. We already know Bramblestar and Tawnypelt have a close relationship. There is no need for a prophecy on that. It would be like making a prophecy about how Graystripe likes food. It's pointless and has been established long ago.
Overall, this book just feels like it was slapped together without thought. There is no action. The characters are dull. The story is so boring I'd rather watch paint dry. It was just completely unneeded and should have been an ebook if they wanted it to exist so bad.
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Post by Frozen on Sept 23, 2016 19:16:23 GMT -5
I'll tackle Bramblestar's Storm. I hate this book because its boring. It's 500 pages of absolute rubbish where nothing happens. Before the book came out, the whole fandom was hyped because we were promised something new and exciting. This "storm" was supposed to be unlike anything the Clans had ever experienced. Instead we got a measily flood that barely killed anyone. Not to mention, there is no over all driving plot. The plots that are thrown in are completely random, and have nothing to do with the rest of the storyline. They are over and forgotten as quick as they happen, and they affect nothing in the overall storyline. The rest of the book is dedicated to boring Clan chores such as patrolling and apprentice training, which is boring. Also the prophecy was weak and meaningless. We already know Bramblestar and Tawnypelt have a close relationship. There is no need for a prophecy on that. It would be like making a prophecy about how Graystripe likes food. It's pointless and has been established long ago. Overall, this book just feels like it was slapped together without thought. There is no action. The characters are dull. The story is so boring I'd rather watch paint dry. It was just completely unneeded and should have been an ebook if they wanted it to exist so bad. This. The book was so unnecessary and only adds to the amount of books in this series. I bet when AVOS ends nobody is going to remember its existence and new readers will go straight from The Last Hope to The Sun Trail/The Apprentice's Quest. Dovewing's Silence is better in every way and doesn't take up an entire Super Edition that could've been about someone else.
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Post by nem on Sept 23, 2016 20:58:03 GMT -5
Bump because impatience.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 21:27:14 GMT -5
OOTS - A lot of little things added up over time. I don't hate Dovewing, but she wasn't nearly as interesting as Hollyleaf. Dovewing vs Ivypool was annoying, powers were annoying, all the boy drama was annoying- and right when things started to calm down Flametail had to die and send everyone reeling. StarClan sucked, The Dark Forest fell on their face in the end, and most of the villains were old and overused. I can go on but those are the things I can think of right now.
Bramblestar's Storm - Honestly never read it, but never really heard of anything interesting. Love drama, Bramblestar running around trying to be like Firestar, Bumblestripe and Dovewing problems, and a bunch of other filler carp. Nothing really interesting imo.
POT - I actually liked POT. I don't like it as much as TPB or TNP, but I don't dislike it as much as OOTS. Maybe cause of Hollyleaf. When things got boring, she always made things interesting without bringing up cliche love drama or power struggles. I think POT did a better job at keeping me hooked to the series than OOTS.
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 23, 2016 22:44:59 GMT -5
POT - it had no real climax; it took six books to not even resolve the plot it set up (also, the power cats are a drawback for many)
OOTS - because it existed to finish up POT, the majority of its plot was filler drama that ran on clichés (popular talented Dove vs. envious bullied Ivy; forbidden love; Lion/Cinder with rejecting/coming to terms with destiny) - clichés aren't automatically bad, but a series built of them tends to get old quickly; many found the characters bland and/or unlikable
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 23, 2016 23:08:35 GMT -5
I didn't have much of a problem with PoT, but it could've been better in general.
OotS is my least favorite arc because of how poor the quality dropped. Terrible cliches, rehashed plots from previous arcs, plot holes, poor characters (and I actually like Dovewing), pointless romances that seemed to have more focus on it than the actual storyline (and I don't even dislike LionxCinder or JayxHalf), subplots that were never resolved (at least not onscreen anyway), and the writing quality was just poor in general, especially in regards to the deaths.
As for Bramblestar's Storm, it's sort of a similar issue. Personally for me, I felt like it was rushed. Besides the hurricane, the only other conflicts the book has were the kittypets and badgers that were attacking ShadowClan, and ThunderClan stayed in the tunnels for the majority of the story.
Also, how is Briarlight even still alive after all this? I get that this is a fantasy series, but there has to be at least some realism to the stories. Just because something is fantastical doesn't meant it can't be realistic. And I know that she is based on one of Vicky's friends, but Briarlight has already cheated death seven times! Either it's author favoritism or Briarlight has been extremely lucky.
As for what I thought of the kittypets, I honestly felt like they were unnecessary. Frankie and Minty didn't really do much to move the plot forward, and I felt like Jessy was just there to make Bramblestar realize his feelings for Squirrelflight, which was pointless anyway since Vicky said that Bramblestar would've gone back to Squirrelflight even if Jessy had stayed.
And speaking of Jessy, I also felt like her "relationship" with Bramblestar was rushed and underdeveloped. Seriously, Bramblestar didn't even consider taking Jessy as a mate until towards the end of the book, and even then he didn't really love her!
And then of course, there's the inconsistencies. I know there's a reprinted version of the book, but really that infamous mistake should've never been there at all. I can understand mixing up Stonefur and Stormfur since the names are similar, but how do you confuse Feathertail with Mistystar, especially since neither cat was a background character? There was also Graystripe saying that he fought against the badgers in Twilight when he didn't even return to the Clans until The Sight and Squirrelflight saying that she was Bramblestar's apprentice when she was really Dustpelt's.
Also, does anyone else get the feeling that Vicky and Cherith might've forgotten that Cinderheart and Poppyfrost were also Brackenfur and Sorreltail's daughters? The book never really acknowledged it, like when Seedpaw died. And Poppyfrost was only referred to as being Lilyheart's mentor, but there's never any mention of her also being her older sister, like they did with Whitewing and Dewnose. Of course, one of Cinderheart's kits is named Sorrelstripe after Sorreltail, but still…
Overall, the book is my least favorite of the Super Editions. Really, the only things I liked about it were Minty and how it gave the background characters more of a personality, especially with Daisy, Millie, and even Rowanstar.
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Post by Lightflame on Sept 23, 2016 23:19:22 GMT -5
People don't like POT because they don't want to do drugs.
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 24, 2016 3:26:37 GMT -5
I personally liked how the Power of Three ended and I think they should have just left it off there. I didn't think the prophecy needed closure and they should've just left it open to interpretation what happens after Sunrise (that would have been far more intriguing than what we ended up with in Omen of the Stars).
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Post by rose on Sept 24, 2016 4:46:17 GMT -5
The writing. So many things felt rushed to me, and Firestar's death was just... Awful. I mean, he was one of the most amazing leaders the forest had ever seen, and suddenly, he died to a tree.
In general, OotS was awful. The characters were whiny, too much TigerxDove, and reincarnations were just pointless. Really, it was just important for Sign of the Moon, and for Cinderheart to be annoying.
Bramblestar's Storm I haven't read but from what I've heard, it seems bad.
And also, let me just say: Squirrelflight should not have had kits in VoS. It could have been someone else's kit.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 24, 2016 14:44:10 GMT -5
The only thing I liked OOTS for was for Ivypool, and maybe Jayfeather? Everything else was pretty much garbage. Firestar's death was so terribly written in comparison to Gray Wing's. Too many op powers, unnecessary love spats, and family drama. Also I don't wanna read a book again about Bramblestar mooning over some she-cat when his ex is literally right there, while he's attempting to be Firestar 2.0.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 24, 2016 14:45:19 GMT -5
The writing. So many things felt rushed to me, and Firestar's death was just... Awful. I mean, he was one of the most amazing leaders the forest had ever seen, and suddenly, he died to a tree. In general, OotS was awful. The characters were whiny, too much TigerxDove, and reincarnations were just pointless. Really, it was just important for Sign of the Moon, and for Cinderheart to be annoying. Bramblestar's Storm I haven't read but from what I've heard, it seems bad. And also, let me just say: Squirrelflight should not have had kits in VoS. It could have been someone else's kit. The thing is, Yellowfang lied to her about being baron just so she'd take care of Leafpool's kits, and get involved in her irresponsible actions that led to Bramble and her breaking up in the first place.
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 24, 2016 14:54:02 GMT -5
The writing. So many things felt rushed to me, and Firestar's death was just... Awful. I mean, he was one of the most amazing leaders the forest had ever seen, and suddenly, he died to a tree. In general, OotS was awful. The characters were whiny, too much TigerxDove, and reincarnations were just pointless. Really, it was just important for Sign of the Moon, and for Cinderheart to be annoying. Bramblestar's Storm I haven't read but from what I've heard, it seems bad. And also, let me just say: Squirrelflight should not have had kits in VoS. It could have been someone else's kit. The thing is, Yellowfang lied to her about being baron just so she'd take care of Leafpool's kits, and get involved in her irresponsible actions that led to Bramble and her breaking up in the first place. I still think it was a bad writing decision to make Yellowfang's statement a lie; if they had to continue Firestar's bloodline they had LionxCinder, WhitexBirch, and even BrightxCloud available, and two of those pairings even had kits in time for AVOS to start (I know they already used Whitewing's kits but she could have had more, which might have been interesting)
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Sept 24, 2016 22:41:06 GMT -5
I thought that POT was a little slow, but it wasn't that bad. The powers were a little weird, but that didn't really bother me that much.
I didn't think OOTS was that bad at the beginning. Sure there was some filler drama and the whole thing Cinderheart was annoying (both the Cinderpelt possession and drama with Lionblaze), but there was nothing really that bad until TLH came out and completely rushed the conclusion. The Dark Forest scenes were actually kind of interesting until the rushed battle made the DF seem really lame.
BrS was really slow and nothing much happened except for the 16th code. There were also a ton of errors. Such as Blackstar messing up when announcing Redwillow's name when honoring the cats that died in the battle, Squirrelflight being Bramblestar's apprentince and Graystripe's retirement speech.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 24, 2016 22:42:48 GMT -5
OOTS - A lot of little things added up over time. I don't hate Dovewing, but she wasn't nearly as interesting as Hollyleaf. Dovewing vs Ivypool was annoying, powers were annoying, all the boy drama was annoying- and right when things started to calm down Flametail had to die and send everyone reeling. StarClan sucked, The Dark Forest fell on their face in the end, and most of the villains were old and overused. I can go on but those are the things I can think of right now. Bramblestar's Storm - Honestly never read it, but never really heard of anything interesting. Love drama, Bramblestar running around trying to be like Firestar, Bumblestripe and Dovewing problems, and a bunch of other filler carp. Nothing really interesting imo. POT - I actually liked POT. I don't like it as much as TPB or TNP, but I don't dislike it as much as OOTS. Maybe cause of Hollyleaf. When things got boring, she always made things interesting without bringing up cliche love drama or power struggles. I think POT did a better job at keeping me hooked to the series than OOTS.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 1:06:54 GMT -5
PoT was fine. I personally had no problem with that arc - in fact it's my favorite one. The character development was great. The Three all had great personalities and they all developed. I just wish the ideas weren't so repetitive. For example: [/i] was the only decent book in that series. I just wish the Erins were more creative with the villains. Sol and Tigerstar didn't need to come back. Mapleshade was fine, but then they ruined her by giving her a sob story. Spottedleaf wouldn't leave the Three alone because she was afraid that "Firestar will never forgive her!" if someone is hurt. Yellowfang became a manipulative, untrustworthy brat, constantly screaming at Jayfeather and ruining poor Cinderheart's life. All characters went downhill at this point in OotS. At least AVOS is improving. But I hope Warriors ends at this point.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 25, 2016 7:36:41 GMT -5
Mainly because POT and OOTS were acting as an enormous and boring build up into nothing. Brambles rats Storm was really just an excuse for HC to put out another book for the Bucks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 10:52:03 GMT -5
I'll tackle Bramblestar's Storm. I hate this book because its boring. It's 500 pages of absolute rubbish where nothing happens. Before the book came out, the whole fandom was hyped because we were promised something new and exciting. This "storm" was supposed to be unlike anything the Clans had ever experienced. Instead we got a measily flood that barely killed anyone. Not to mention, there is no over all driving plot. The plots that are thrown in are completely random, and have nothing to do with the rest of the storyline. They are over and forgotten as quick as they happen, and they affect nothing in the overall storyline. The rest of the book is dedicated to boring Clan chores such as patrolling and apprentice training, which is boring. Also the prophecy was weak and meaningless. We already know Bramblestar and Tawnypelt have a close relationship. There is no need for a prophecy on that. It would be like making a prophecy about how Graystripe likes food. It's pointless and has been established long ago. Overall, this book just feels like it was slapped together without thought. There is no action. The characters are dull. The story is so boring I'd rather watch paint dry. It was just completely unneeded and should have been an ebook if they wanted it to exist so bad. This. The book was so unnecessary and only adds to the amount of books in this series. I bet when AVOS ends nobody is going to remember its existence and new readers will go straight from The Last Hope to The Sun Trail/The Apprentice's Quest. Dovewing's Silence is better in every way and doesn't take up an entire Super Edition that could've been about someone else. That's exactly what I did, after hearing how bad BS was. Looked up the description on the wiki, and hello, Apprentice's Quest.
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 25, 2016 17:23:40 GMT -5
I just realized the something. Bramblestar's Storm is so bad that even its initials is an insult "BS" Most people just call it BrS.
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Post by Sootfeather on Sept 25, 2016 17:49:29 GMT -5
I just realized the something. Bramblestar's Storm is so bad that even its initials is an insult "BS" Most people just call it BrS. Some call it BS
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 25, 2016 18:25:53 GMT -5
Most people just call it BrS. Some call it BS Yep.
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Post by Lightflame on Sept 25, 2016 19:44:44 GMT -5
I just realized the something. Bramblestar's Storm is so bad that even its initials is an insult "BS" And Path of Stars is POS.
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Post by Yoshimi on Sept 25, 2016 23:22:20 GMT -5
One of the first things about BS is the cover. Like come on this is supposed to be Bramblestar.
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Post by Bramblestar on Sept 25, 2016 23:40:01 GMT -5
One of the first things about BS is the cover. Like come on this is supposed to be Bramblestar. I actually liked the full picture of him standing by the lake under the dust jacket, I just wish they made him look like Bramblestar (like how he looked on the cover of Midnight, with the amber eyes this time...).
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