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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 17:50:50 GMT -5
tbh people who dont act out but hate us are mire dangerous and threatening to our ability to ever gain true equality than anyone who is physically abusive and awful to gay people.
You want to know why? The pen is mightier than the sword and thoughts are louder than actions. We SEE an action, we tackle it, we soeak out against it and we know who the common enemy is. When youre SILENT however, you perpetuate and ingrain an idea into a societies mind. You dont act on your thoughts but you keep them lively, and thats more dangerous to our safety and the saftey of our future community. Because once you perpetuate and keep perpetuating something, it gets harder and harder to fight against. Thats why you simply cant just "disagree" with someone whole existance, if you do you are part of the problem idk how many gay friends you have or how much if a "perfect straight ally" you are. you are perpetuating homophobia no ifs ands or buts. And no, you cant decide what is and isnt homophobic or what REALLY hurts us if you have not faced the discrimitory hardships that LGBT people live out every day of their lives
if you really support gay people and you want us to stop having to face those hardships and thing they are bad, then you first have to stop holding yourself over actual gay people and speaking up over them when they call you out on homophobia/transphobia. Because TRUST ME, we know WAY MORE about it than you EVER will.
But hey when you can marry, adopt, get a job, get fired for who younare, get physically abused in the streets for your sexual/romanic identity or gender, get killed because people don't like who you love, are allowed to be bullied out of schools for your sexualty, be in a community where 99% of your fellow brothers and sisters are mentally ill and commiting suicide due to awful things said to them and done to them, ever get talked at behind your back being made fun of for being a different gender than your assigned gender at birth, when you have to hide who you are so you can AVOID all these things happen to you,mwhen you have to hide who you truely are in order to ****!NG LIVE
talk to me. because in the mean time, ur opinion aint worth jack sh!t
i know this is gonna get locked or whatever or boost my warning % but its worth it in my opinion. You guys really need to stop. Im not joking when i say you guys literally make me uncomfortable and untrustworthy of the world around me when you guys parade around the fact you are "peaceful and just want equality" if you want us to have rights start treating us like PEOPLE AND NOT OPINIONS TO BE HAD IN YOUR SH!TTY POLITICAL DEBATES. IM A LIVING BREATHING HUMAN NOT A
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 17:55:26 GMT -5
Bc i know people are just going to put this in circles, im not going to post on this thread after this
If you really think you can treat a living beings right to live as an opinion or defend people who do, you are a sick twisted human being and I want you to block me RIGHT NOW
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 17:55:36 GMT -5
I couldn't've said it better myself, tbh.
I think there's some kind of communication issue here, where no matter how many times this gets said, you guys don't seem to get it? And I'm not sure if it's willful or not, but it's not fair to us. All homophobia is harmful, whether it's visible and violent or small and snide. Stop absolving yourselves before the discussion even begins. Stop plugging your ears and pretending you've done enough. Stop pretending you know how we feel about your words better than we do.
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Post by Sanders on Sept 23, 2016 17:55:38 GMT -5
thank you thank you thank you
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Post by qυeeɴ oғ ɢнoѕтlιɴɢѕ on Sept 23, 2016 17:57:02 GMT -5
Bless this post
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Post by Sanders on Sept 23, 2016 17:57:13 GMT -5
like i just want you to actually LISTEN to why you're being a homophobe instead of jumping through hoops to try and prove you're not!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 17:58:37 GMT -5
And since this is about to get locked, and I'm not writing out a long post just to realize that it will never go through and see the light of day: if you really want to discuss this, PM me. Fair warning that I might give up on that discussion of it seems like we're at a stalemate or it gets too intense or whatever, but if you genuinely want to learn or whatever, I'm so tired of this bs that I'm willing to deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 17:58:51 GMT -5
like i just want you to actually LISTEN to why you're being a homophobe instead of jumping through hoops to try and prove you're not! Last post but: TBH id rather you admit you are a homophobe than deny that you arent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:00:17 GMT -5
like i just want you to actually LISTEN to why you're being a homophobe instead of jumping through hoops to try and prove you're not! Last post but: TBH id rather you admit you are a homophobe than deny that you arent. Seriously. Please just acknowledge it. LGBT people are smart enough to know what you mean when you say things like "But we can still be friends!" and "I respect your opinion, it's just..." (And, quick pointer: it's my identity, not my opinion.)
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Post by Sanders on Sept 23, 2016 18:01:05 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% You deserve equality and should be treated exactly like anybody else. Well said. dude... i hate to break it to you but you're one of the people. you told actual LGBT people they were against the LGBT community
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:01:09 GMT -5
well, I think actions and thoughts like that are equally bad, but besides that I agree
I'm not gay or trans but I honestly don't care if you are
do what you want
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:02:48 GMT -5
thank u verbatim
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Fireclaw3
“When there is nothing left to hold onto, hold onto you faith.” #GodisGood
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Post by Fireclaw3 on Sept 23, 2016 18:04:15 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% You deserve equality and should be treated exactly like anybody else. Well said. dude... i hate to break it to you but you're one of the people. you told actual LGBT people they were against the LGBT community Im deeply sorry for that comment. I have some anger issues and I got a little heated. I was being attacked for saying I supported the LBGT community. Maybe I'm not good at communicating my feelings into text, or maybe you guys just misunderstood what I was trying to say. But once again, I'm deeply sorry for what I said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:06:02 GMT -5
Also, you guys are causing like... actual harm to LGBT people. You know that, right? Yes, I mean here on this cat forum. No, it doesn't matter that this is a tiny corner of the internet. No, we don't really care that it could have been worse.
You guys don't see this part, but we get hurt, we get angry, we get burnt tf out. We're tired of defending our existence every other day on this niche trash website. Maybe our responses sometimes seem joking or sarcastic or like we aren't taking this seriously, but like, this is real life to us, and you don't get to close your eyes and wish the truth away when we try to explain it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:08:02 GMT -5
Also, you guys are causing like... actual harm to LGBT people. You know that, right? Yes, I mean here on this cat forum. No, it doesn't matter that this is a tiny corner of the internet. No, we don't really care that it could have been worse. You guys don't see this part, but we get hurt, we get angry, we get burnt tf out. We're tired of defending our existence every other day on this niche trash website. Maybe our responses sometimes seem joking or sarcastic or like we aren't taking this seriously, but like, this is real life to us, and you don't get to close your eyes and wish the truth away when we try to explain it. that doesn't seem fun I'm not one of those people, right?
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Post by bronzewing on Sept 23, 2016 18:09:01 GMT -5
honestly those sorts of posts always make me wonder where they draw the line between 'disagreement' and hatred like theyre always like 'id NEVER kill a gay person so im not homophobic... i just disagree ' but where do they think it becomes hatred? at literal physical violence alone?? do they think about how this 'disagreement' feeds into and perpetuates systems of violence? like you may just 'disagree' with lgbt but where do you draw the line? would you ignore violence against lgbt ppl? vote against marriage equality? would you rather just not see representation of gay relationships in the media? they do realise ALL those things are harmful, right?? like, i probably wouldve had a better argument but i realised as i wrote this that they never actually define the terms of their 'disagreement'... anyway! just in case, dont @ me im going to go have a bagel n write an assignment now
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Sept 23, 2016 18:09:50 GMT -5
Let's not make another thread like this, okay?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:10:50 GMT -5
Also, you guys are causing like... actual harm to LGBT people. You know that, right? Yes, I mean here on this cat forum. No, it doesn't matter that this is a tiny corner of the internet. No, we don't really care that it could have been worse. You guys don't see this part, but we get hurt, we get angry, we get burnt tf out. We're tired of defending our existence every other day on this niche trash website. Maybe our responses sometimes seem joking or sarcastic or like we aren't taking this seriously, but like, this is real life to us, and you don't get to close your eyes and wish the truth away when we try to explain it. that doesn't seem fun I'm not one of those people, right? I don't remember you doing anything like that, but I don't speak for every LGBT person on the forums, so idk. Everyone has things to learn and ways to improve, though, so you know, keep your ears open, I guess?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:11:15 GMT -5
Let's not make another thread like this, okay? Im tired of defending my existence every other day, ok?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:11:25 GMT -5
Let's not make another thread like this, okay? Why? There's no discourse here and the people who usually cause them aren't here so ???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:11:55 GMT -5
ty for saying this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:11:59 GMT -5
that doesn't seem fun I'm not one of those people, right? I don't remember you doing anything like that, but I don't speak for every LGBT person on the forums, so idk. Everyone has things to learn and ways to improve, though, so you know, keep your ears open, I guess? yeah. im bored now cats
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:12:13 GMT -5
Let's not make another thread like this, okay? I'm sure the daily struggles LGBT people face are a big strain on you, huh?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:13:12 GMT -5
dude... i hate to break it to you but you're one of the people. you told actual LGBT people they were against the LGBT community Im deeply sorry for that comment. I have some anger issues and I got a little heated. I was being attacked for saying I supported the LBGT community. Maybe I'm not good at communicating my feelings into text, or maybe you guys just misunderstood what I was trying to say. But once again, I'm deeply sorry for what I said. so I'm kinda like "do I comment or nah" but basically I'm really tired of this whole argument? I like to make it into a joke a lot and sometimes debates are eye rolling and interesting but like, im gonna give it a break bc im not in the mood to do all that I guess? I want understanding, I want people to know what they did wrong, I want solidarity for the LGBT people on these forums. so like, I forgive you. I genuinely do and I genuinely appreciate your apology (on a personal level- I can't speak for anyone else of course). I really really hope that once you're able to look past the heat of the debate you can see what we're saying in regards to how we feel. It's a really touchy subject because it's our entire lives, but if you work toward trying to better understand our experience I do appreciate that, and I hope that even though the debates can get really heated really fast, that you do see what we're saying in the end. that being said I wasn't here for the earlier argument so I can't speak for that, but yeah I agree with everything Tim posted too. weirdly serious moment for me but like I'm too tired for this fighting right now
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:13:40 GMT -5
Also, you guys are causing like... actual harm to LGBT people. You know that, right? Yes, I mean here on this cat forum. No, it doesn't matter that this is a tiny corner of the internet. No, we don't really care that it could have been worse. You guys don't see this part, but we get hurt, we get angry, we get burnt tf out. We're tired of defending our existence every other day on this niche trash website. Maybe our responses sometimes seem joking or sarcastic or like we aren't taking this seriously, but like, this is real life to us, and you don't get to close your eyes and wish the truth away when we try to explain it. that doesn't seem fun I'm not one of those people, right? Nah. Tbh youre super young and have a lot of room to learn which makes you ignorant in some aspects but not on purpose and I can tell you are trying to understand rather than shrug things off, which i have to admit is a very hard concept to grasp and understand at your age, but youre doing a lot better than I was as a kid
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:13:45 GMT -5
I don't remember you doing anything like that, but I don't speak for every LGBT person on the forums, so idk. Everyone has things to learn and ways to improve, though, so you know, keep your ears open, I guess? yeah. im bored now cats Just a thought: maybe don't derail our serious discussions about this to talk about being bored? The new thread button is right there if you need it.
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Post by Sanders on Sept 23, 2016 18:13:50 GMT -5
Let's not make another thread like this, okay? you're part of the problem. not the solution
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 18:13:59 GMT -5
Let's not make another thread like this, okay? let's not silence each other, okay?
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#add8e6
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Sept 23, 2016 18:15:20 GMT -5
Let's not make another thread like this, okay? I'm sure the daily struggles LGBT people face are a big strain on you, huh? Nope! I just don't want another flame war to start, 'tis all. Hope you all have a nice day.
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