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Post by pastelpills on Sept 21, 2016 9:01:02 GMT -5
Those who weren't full of stupid and unnecessary deaths, where the names were rather creative than weird, and where queens had so many kits (lol).
I spent some time thinking and came to conclusion that warriors would be much more fun to read if they have stayed in the old territories. What was the point of moving the clans anyways? Only thing it changed was warriors to worse. Why erins??? I remember looking outside the car window, wondering what would names of Brightpaw, Swiftpaw, Thornpaw and Cloudpaw be. Now I'm trying to do the same with Honeypaw, Larkpaw and Leafpaw, but it simply doesn't work. Anyone else?
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Post by Wicked Witch on Sept 21, 2016 19:10:20 GMT -5
nope. i think they were just as good and had its flaws just like tnp, pot/oots and thus i see them as equals.
"stupid and unnecessary deaths" i saw this with rosetail. and some seem to think this for snowkit
"where the names were rather creative than weird" i like the newer pot/oots names better imo. names like blossomfall, snowbird and even poppyfrost were splendid. names like tigerclaw, redtail and especially lionheart aren't what i would say creative--still nice names but not as creative as the former three.
"and where queens had so many kits (lol)" the fact that the allegiance is over four times then what it used to be, this definitely still occurs.
moving to different territories wasn't a bother. it was quite intereting and the characterization hardly bothered me.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 21, 2016 23:17:12 GMT -5
There was a huge issue with the Erin's using all the strong and young cats as fodder for the older and more feeble ones, just because they play favourites
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 22, 2016 1:05:14 GMT -5
nope. i think they were just as good and had its flaws just like tnp, pot/oots and thus i see them as equals. "stupid and unnecessary deaths" i saw this with rosetail. and some seem to think this for snowkit "where the names were rather creative than weird" i like the newer pot/oots names better imo. names like blossomfall, snowbird and even poppyfrost were splendid. names like tigerclaw, redtail and especially lionheart aren't what i would say creative--still nice names but not as creative as the former three. "and where queens had so many kits (lol)" the fact that the allegiance is over four times then what it used to be, this definitely still occurs. moving to different territories wasn't a bother. it was quite intereting and the characterization hardly bothered me. By stupid unnecessary deaths I meant those that occured mostly in Bramblestar's Storm. To me the breaking point was when the Clans moved. The thing with kits wasn't even mesnt seriously. By names rather creative than weird I meant names like Dappletail or Bluefur compared to Honeyfern and Poppyfrost. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 1:10:50 GMT -5
DAWN OF THE CLANS WAS AMAZING |
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Post by Lightflame on Sept 22, 2016 15:55:43 GMT -5
I don't see why the lake territory itself would be the cause of the problems you see in the newer books. Even if the newer books are worse than the older ones (which comes down to opinion), there's no way the territory could be the cause of that.
I think the lake territory is fine, and there's a lot of stuff I like about it. The only negative about it is that RiverClan has done nothing since Dark River, due to being so far away from ThunderClan, but Dawn of the Clans shows that even when RiverClan is nearby, the Erins still don't care about it.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Sept 22, 2016 16:29:47 GMT -5
nope. i think they were just as good and had its flaws just like tnp, pot/oots and thus i see them as equals. "stupid and unnecessary deaths" i saw this with rosetail. and some seem to think this for snowkit "where the names were rather creative than weird" i like the newer pot/oots names better imo. names like blossomfall, snowbird and even poppyfrost were splendid. names like tigerclaw, redtail and especially lionheart aren't what i would say creative--still nice names but not as creative as the former three. "and where queens had so many kits (lol)" the fact that the allegiance is over four times then what it used to be, this definitely still occurs. moving to different territories wasn't a bother. it was quite intereting and the characterization hardly bothered me. By stupid unnecessary deaths I meant those that occured mostly in Bramblestar's Storm. To me the breaking point was when the Clans moved. The thing with kits wasn't even mesnt seriously. By names rather creative than weird I meant names like Dappletail or Bluefur compared to Honeyfern and Poppyfrost. i know what you meant i was just adding my thoughts. |
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 22, 2016 21:30:53 GMT -5
Well, Vision of Shadows seems to throw back to the same sense of suspense and drama that the OG series envoked. The only difference being that there are multiple POVs in VoS, while the OG series had the benefit of being able to focus entirely on Firestar's perspective and keep that consistent.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 22, 2016 22:58:15 GMT -5
Well, Vision of Shadows seems to throw back to the same sense of suspense and drama that the OG series envoked. The only difference being that there are multiple POVs in VoS, while the OG series had the benefit of being able to focus entirely on Firestar's perspective and keep that consistent. The only multiple POVs I could deal with was from Dawn of the Clans, maybe from the New Prophecy. The ones from Piwer of three and Omen of the Stars just made it confusing and cumbersome |
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 22, 2016 23:07:04 GMT -5
Well, Vision of Shadows seems to throw back to the same sense of suspense and drama that the OG series envoked. The only difference being that there are multiple POVs in VoS, while the OG series had the benefit of being able to focus entirely on Firestar's perspective and keep that consistent. The only multiple POVs I could deal with was from Dawn of the Clans, maybe from the New Prophecy. The ones from Piwer of three and Omen of the Stars just made it confusing and cumbersome Yeah I'm not a fan of multiple POVs either. I can handle two max, but after that it becomes too disorganized and it thins out character development. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 20:49:54 GMT -5
I agree with you about the old forest. The lake is too boring, with not enough threats. The characters only die from sickness these days, most of which is off screen.
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Sept 23, 2016 22:36:31 GMT -5
•♕• well, they needed to spice it up if they wanted to continue the series for as long as it has gone. its hard to come of with increasing conflicts, each scarier/worse than the alst, if you have seen it all before tbh i did like the olds books better, but thats not going to keep me form liking the new ones too? they are running out of steam because its a billion books later. •♔• |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 14:54:06 GMT -5
I agree with you about the old forest. The lake is too boring, with not enough threats. The characters only die from sickness these days, most of which is off screen. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 15:11:06 GMT -5
Books like Bramblestar's Storm have definitely thrown me off. To me, Bramblestar's Storm was entirely unneeded. We already knew that Bramblestar was going to return to Squirrelflight, we didn't need Jessy to tell us that -- although they aren't a particularly good couple, they have a -- well, not "unbreakable", but SUFFICIENT relationship, and we knew that was what the Erins would do anyway.
The prophecy and new characters featured were also entirely useless. We already knew Bramblestar and Tawnypelt had a close relationship (albeit not well-written, especially in the later books), and we didn't need more characters, especially not a new warrior -- Stormcloud, who was hardly featured in AVoS and probably won't be. The journey to the lake was also unneeded. The Clans were fine where they were. What we really needed was an INTRIGUING story; if each arc took place in a different Clan, that would be interesting, especially if combined with a GOOD plot.
The same goes for Mapleshade's Vengeance. It was an unnecessary sob-story, unneeded. Mapleshade was fine how she was. I liked to think of her as a vicious tyrant, not a woman with a forbidden lover.
OOtS was also unnecessary. If the Dovewing fiasco was going to happen (and I wish it didn't), it should've happened in PoT. The Dark Forest thing wasn't very interesting, either. The Dark Forest cats, in spite of their "power", ultimately flopped in the end. I also hated how The Three had MAGICAL ABILITIES -- plain magical powers, hardly StarClan-related. If the Erins wanted the kits to be special, they should have done something different. If the Prophetic Abilities™ thing wasn't repeated so often (especially in the case of kits who are entirely unwilling to fulfill such duties), and the religious standing of the Warriors was entirely different, I would suggest the ability to visit StarClan, but . . .
Don't even get me ranting about AVoS. Although I love Warriors, it has always been there with me throughout my life, I wish it had ended a while back. If the Erins wanted a new arc, they should've had it feature another Clan, not ThunderClan. TC is getting boring. We already know everything about it. It's been drained of any uniqueness it might have had at some point, especially with the stress Firestar's reputation as a meddlesome Gary-Stu has applied. I'm ready for a WindClan arc.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Sept 26, 2016 18:06:23 GMT -5
plain magical isn't what i would refer to it imo. when i think of the way youre using it i imagine like some sparkles set off to make something or change something around you. something that can affect and change form and all that jazz. its not like, as some have said before, ravage the clans with their legendary pokemon powers on cats. or they dominate the clans with their laser eyes.
-one just can't feel pain (like how irl there are people who have congenital insensitivity to pain)
-another can go into starclan without some drinking pool to do it for him, as well as read thoughts, memories, which we kinda had between squirrelflight and leafpool just now its on a bigger scale.
-and lastly some cat (who already have much better senses than us), has much better senses than her other cat fellows.
and maybe these starclan cats can do the same and just watch up all the way up in the cloud. who knows.
but plain magic still seems to be a stretch to me.
at least we also have a shadowclan pov.
and i disagree because even with all those super editions, novellas and the entire dotc arc, having povs in other clans just doesn't seem to make much of a difference imo.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Sept 26, 2016 18:08:16 GMT -5
^ and in reference to that second-to-last sentence you might not want to acknowledge that firestar is meddlesome and still falsely accuse him of being a Gary-Stu right after.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 14:31:20 GMT -5
^ and in reference to that second-to-last sentence you might not want to acknowledge that firestar is meddlesome and still falsely accuse him of being a Gary-Stu right after.
I also hated his death. He was one of the most notable leaders, and yet the Erins, as always, gave him a pathetic death. I wanted him to die peacefully. |
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