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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 12:27:35 GMT -5
☂ I think they would probably be horrified about that. It would render the cat unable to hunt or fight, unless they somehow managed to crush prey and enemies? They could still bite, but the claws are a cat's primary tool as we've seen in the series. A declawed cat would probably either have to be really skilled at using their teeth, become a permanent queen, or a medicine cat.
I'm sure they'd find munchkins amusing. I mean, there are some smaller cats in the series, but no munchkins. They probably would think that the cat was too weak to do anything... but, I mean, munchkin cats are adorable. The munchkin could be the clan go-getter, encouraging everyone else. Gosh, this would be hilarious to read about...
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Post by darkforestwarrior on Sept 20, 2016 13:06:18 GMT -5
Honestly, the cat would probably have to become an elder. Declawing a cat really messes them up, many declawed cats feel a lot of pain, their balance can be thrown off, there is also a risk of complications such as bad claw regrowth, infections, etc. If they were attacked they would be at a serious disadvantage, even with biting.
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Post by tiger beetle on Sept 20, 2016 13:12:51 GMT -5
they would be horrified but they'd probably also be jerks about it
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Post by sonnensturm1 on Sept 20, 2016 13:40:05 GMT -5
They would send the cat to twolegs probably. I read a fanfiction where the she-cat could not really life for herself, when she escaped she met other cats who helped her and the tom where she lived (his name was ash) brought her prey.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 20, 2016 16:23:28 GMT -5
Honestly, the cat would probably have to become an elder. Declawing a cat really messes them up, many declawed cats feel a lot of pain, their balance can be thrown off, there is also a risk of complications such as bad claw regrowth, infections, etc. If they were attacked they would be at a serious disadvantage, even with biting. Actually the way its done now makes it virtually painless and cuts down risk of infection significantly. The whole "it hurts them so much and seriously damages their ability to live" thing is a complete myth. Both my cats are front declawed and they act like normal cats. I've worked with a vet and seen a declawing surgery myself, so I know what it's like. There's barely any blood at all; they use lasers now instead of a scalpel like they used to, which makes the surgery less stressful for the cat. |
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Sept 20, 2016 21:08:35 GMT -5
Honestly, the cat would probably have to become an elder. Declawing a cat really messes them up, many declawed cats feel a lot of pain, their balance can be thrown off, there is also a risk of complications such as bad claw regrowth, infections, etc. If they were attacked they would be at a serious disadvantage, even with biting. Actually the way its done now makes it virtually painless and cuts down risk of infection significantly. The whole "it hurts them so much and seriously damages their ability to live" thing is a complete myth. Both my cats are front declawed and they act like normal cats. I've worked with a vet and seen a declawing surgery myself, so I know what it's like. There's barely any blood at all; they use lasers now instead of a scalpel like they used to, which makes the surgery less stressful for the cat. Actually, no, this isn't true. It is not a complete myth. Almost all cat surrenders to shelters are declaw cats, do to the behavioral problems they develop after being declawed--not using the litter pan, aggression, etc. Also, yes, the surgery is done by laser, I work at a veterinary clinic and have for a few years now. HOWEVER, you are cutting off more than just the nail. You are cutting the equivalent to our fingertips off. Just because your cats seem fine, does not mean this applies to all cats. Not to mention, some declaws do not show how badly this has affected them until they are older. If a cat has paws that basically squish--I've worked with euthanized cats and we do paw prints for the owner--when you press down, that is NOT normal. And this is ONLY seen in declawed cats. And it also says something when this surgery is BANNED and seen as inhumane in many (if not all) European countries. This surgery does not benefit your cat. It benefits YOU. And if someone values their furniture over the well-being of a living breathing creature, then they have no business getting cats. I could go on, but I've got my point across enough. Now I'm not calling you a horrible person, so don't take it that way. Many people declaw their cats, not knowing how horrible it really is. And the argument, "But the vet does it!" doesn't mean anything. Vets do this surgery either for the extra money, or because to them it is a better alternative than the cat being euthanized or dumped in a shelter for destruction of furniture. There are SO MUCH BETTER ALTERNATIVES. Such as soft claws, which allow the cats to have their claws. It is a cap over their claws that the vet can place on them, and the cat does no damage to furniture but still is able to scratch. And also training is a key factor, Declawing is a horrible thing to do to a cat. It is unnecessary mutilation with absolutely no beneficial factors. An animal should NEVER be put through surgery unless it benefits THEM. So I apologize for the rant, but I can't let that pass. It gives other people the idea that declawing is okay and it's not. |
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Post by darkforestwarrior on Sept 21, 2016 0:37:12 GMT -5
Cats are VERY good at hiding their pain. They may not seem like they are hurting but that doesn't mean they aren't.
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Post by Pyropelt on Sept 23, 2016 16:46:26 GMT -5
If the Clan cats saw a declawed cat (who wanted to join the Clan) they'd probably force the cat to be an elder. Or maybe even a cat like Briarlight, still a warrior but having to do everything for them.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 23, 2016 18:25:02 GMT -5
Actually the way its done now makes it virtually painless and cuts down risk of infection significantly. The whole "it hurts them so much and seriously damages their ability to live" thing is a complete myth. Both my cats are front declawed and they act like normal cats. I've worked with a vet and seen a declawing surgery myself, so I know what it's like. There's barely any blood at all; they use lasers now instead of a scalpel like they used to, which makes the surgery less stressful for the cat. Actually, no, this isn't true. It is not a complete myth. Almost all cat surrenders to shelters are declaw cats, do to the behavioral problems they develop after being declawed--not using the litter pan, aggression, etc. Also, yes, the surgery is done by laser, I work at a veterinary clinic and have for a few years now. HOWEVER, you are cutting off more than just the nail. You are cutting the equivalent to our fingertips off. Just because your cats seem fine, does not mean this applies to all cats. Not to mention, some declaws do not show how badly this has affected them until they are older. If a cat has paws that basically squish--I've worked with euthanized cats and we do paw prints for the owner--when you press down, that is NOT normal. And this is ONLY seen in declawed cats. And it also says something when this surgery is BANNED and seen as inhumane in many (if not all) European countries. This surgery does not benefit your cat. It benefits YOU. And if someone values their furniture over the well-being of a living breathing creature, then they have no business getting cats. I could go on, but I've got my point across enough. Now I'm not calling you a horrible person, so don't take it that way. Many people declaw their cats, not knowing how horrible it really is. And the argument, "But the vet does it!" doesn't mean anything. Vets do this surgery either for the extra money, or because to them it is a better alternative than the cat being euthanized or dumped in a shelter for destruction of furniture. There are SO MUCH BETTER ALTERNATIVES. Such as soft claws, which allow the cats to have their claws. It is a cap over their claws that the vet can place on them, and the cat does no damage to furniture but still is able to scratch. And also training is a key factor, Declawing is a horrible thing to do to a cat. It is unnecessary mutilation with absolutely no beneficial factors. An animal should NEVER be put through surgery unless it benefits THEM. So I apologize for the rant, but I can't let that pass. It gives other people the idea that declawing is okay and it's not. That's America for you. |
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Post by Kibui on Sept 23, 2016 18:42:23 GMT -5
While I do not approve of this in the real life, I think this would make an interesting story arc, having a de-clawed cat (wether that'd be a captured warrior or an adventurous kittypet) dealing with the mockery of the Clans and trying to survive without something as vital as that
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Post by Pandean on Sept 23, 2016 21:28:01 GMT -5
If the Clan cats saw a declawed cat (who wanted to join the Clan) they'd probably force the cat to be an elder. Or maybe even a cat like Briarlight, still a warrior but having to do everything for them. Would they even accept the cat in the first place? |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 23, 2016 23:34:29 GMT -5
I'm actually doing a collab with my friend where declawed cats as a thing play a big role. Nice coinsidence.
Anyways, they wouldnprobably be pretty horrified. And curious as well.
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 23, 2016 23:36:38 GMT -5
If the Clan cats saw a declawed cat (who wanted to join the Clan) they'd probably force the cat to be an elder. Or maybe even a cat like Briarlight, still a warrior but having to do everything for them. Would they even accept the cat in the first place? I think it matters on the situation, mentality of the Clan and mentality of the leader. If the declawed cat needed help badly, I believe they would allow her to join and be elder, a warrior like Briarlight, or maybe medicine cat. However if it was some kittypet playing big like Rusty, I don't think they really would. |
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 24, 2016 11:38:24 GMT -5
Actually the way its done now makes it virtually painless and cuts down risk of infection significantly. The whole "it hurts them so much and seriously damages their ability to live" thing is a complete myth. Both my cats are front declawed and they act like normal cats. I've worked with a vet and seen a declawing surgery myself, so I know what it's like. There's barely any blood at all; they use lasers now instead of a scalpel like they used to, which makes the surgery less stressful for the cat. Actually, no, this isn't true. It is not a complete myth. Almost all cat surrenders to shelters are declaw cats, do to the behavioral problems they develop after being declawed--not using the litter pan, aggression, etc. Also, yes, the surgery is done by laser, I work at a veterinary clinic and have for a few years now. HOWEVER, you are cutting off more than just the nail. You are cutting the equivalent to our fingertips off. Just because your cats seem fine, does not mean this applies to all cats. Not to mention, some declaws do not show how badly this has affected them until they are older. If a cat has paws that basically squish--I've worked with euthanized cats and we do paw prints for the owner--when you press down, that is NOT normal. And this is ONLY seen in declawed cats. And it also says something when this surgery is BANNED and seen as inhumane in many (if not all) European countries. This surgery does not benefit your cat. It benefits YOU. And if someone values their furniture over the well-being of a living breathing creature, then they have no business getting cats. I could go on, but I've got my point across enough. Now I'm not calling you a horrible person, so don't take it that way. Many people declaw their cats, not knowing how horrible it really is. And the argument, "But the vet does it!" doesn't mean anything. Vets do this surgery either for the extra money, or because to them it is a better alternative than the cat being euthanized or dumped in a shelter for destruction of furniture. There are SO MUCH BETTER ALTERNATIVES. Such as soft claws, which allow the cats to have their claws. It is a cap over their claws that the vet can place on them, and the cat does no damage to furniture but still is able to scratch. And also training is a key factor, Declawing is a horrible thing to do to a cat. It is unnecessary mutilation with absolutely no beneficial factors. An animal should NEVER be put through surgery unless it benefits THEM. So I apologize for the rant, but I can't let that pass. It gives other people the idea that declawing is okay and it's not. I've never heard of the whole "declawed cats develop behavior issues because of it" thing. I've met dozens of declawed cats in shelters, and never have I heard that from the shelter staff, veterinarians, owners, etc. My cats, my friends' cats, and my relatives' cats kept the same personalities after being declawed. And I find calling it "mutilation" quite offensive. The practice is humane; by your logic humans shouldn't get their own ears pierced or get a tattoo, since they don't benefit them physically as a person. Saying that not wanting our furniture ripped to shreds means we don't have any business getting cats is ridiculous. Judging a cat based on whether or not it has claws is ridiculous. I'm not going to pass by a cat in need just because I want to declaw it. Do you really honestly think that declawing a cat is worse than leaving it to sit in a cage for months? And 90% of the cats surrendered to two of my local shelters are not declawed, so the whole "most shelter cats are declawed" thing is also not applicable. You seem to be one of the people who has been overexposed to the anti-declawing propaganda, and as a result have been duped into believing it's the same thing as cutting a cat's paw off. It's not, and it's honestly sad that so many people think vets, owners and shelter staff would subject their patients/cats to this "supposed torture". We're not monsters; we love our cats, and suggesting that we're causing our cats pain equivalent to a mutilation is both over the top and highly offensive. Every declawed cat I've ever met at a shelter, at a vet's, or in my own home has run, played, jumped and walked like a normal cat, including ones who are 16+. I see no difference in terms of behavior between them and any non-declawed cat I've ever met. |
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Post by darkforestwarrior on Sept 24, 2016 12:21:34 GMT -5
The practice is humane; by your logic humans shouldn't get their own ears pierced or get a tattoo, since they don't benefit them physically as a person. It's actually more like lopping off the entire tips of your fingers  It's a surgery that literally removes the claws as well as the first bone joint. It's literally not comparable to tattoos or piercings at all, it is a surgical procedure. And 90% of the cats surrendered to two of my local shelters are not declawed, so the whole "most shelter cats are declawed" thing is also not applicable. They're not saying most shelter cats are declawed, they are saying many cats that have been declawed are eventually surrendered to a shelter. I've never heard of the whole "declawed cats develop behavior issues because of it" thing. I've met dozens of declawed cats in shelters, and never have I heard that from the shelter staff, veterinarians, owners, etc. My cats, my friends' cats, and my relatives' cats kept the same personalities after being declawed. Meanwhile my aunt's cat who was declawed became the most angry and scared cat ever after being declawed. Just because you have met cats who didn't seem to have a problem doesn't mean that's how all declawed cats are. I'm not going to pass by a cat in need just because I want to declaw it. Do you really honestly think that declawing a cat is worse than leaving it to sit in a cage for months? Why do you so badly need to declaw it when there are alternatives? If you can't handle a cat with claws just don't get a cat at all. |
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 24, 2016 12:25:59 GMT -5
I'm just going to respond to one thing in this whole debate...
The reason declawing isn't like getting a piercing or tattoo: the person chooses to get one of those. The cat doesn't choose to get declawed
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Post by CreamCrow on Sept 25, 2016 14:31:13 GMT -5
Unless the cat is very good at hunting without the claws. I have a cat who is declawed, and my family was not the one to declaw him as we got him like that, and he still hunts from time to time. Not very much anymore as he is old, but he was killed a lot of animals.
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Post by Aku on Oct 2, 2016 14:06:40 GMT -5
Another thing to point out, a declawed cat wouldn't be able to climb up a tree to safety if needed be. My mom, when she was a kid, she had a declawed cat that was strictly a house cat, but that cat got out. Her family also had a bunch of dogs that hated cats. The cat, Peanut, tried to climb a tree to get away, but because of his lack of claws, he couldn't and was ultimately killed.
That's also a factor as to why my family doesn't declaw our cats
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Post by Pandean on Oct 2, 2016 19:01:10 GMT -5
Another thing to point out, a declawed cat wouldn't be able to climb up a tree to safety if needed be. My mom, when she was a kid, she had a declawed cat that was strictly a house cat, but that cat got out. Her family also had a bunch of dogs that hated cats. The cat, Peanut, tried to climb a tree to get away, but because of his lack of claws, he couldn't and was ultimately killed. That's also a factor as to why my family doesn't declaw our cats omg that's awful |
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Post by Aku on Oct 2, 2016 19:25:11 GMT -5
Another thing to point out, a declawed cat wouldn't be able to climb up a tree to safety if needed be. My mom, when she was a kid, she had a declawed cat that was strictly a house cat, but that cat got out. Her family also had a bunch of dogs that hated cats. The cat, Peanut, tried to climb a tree to get away, but because of his lack of claws, he couldn't and was ultimately killed. That's also a factor as to why my family doesn't declaw our cats omg that's awful You're telling me, and with that said, I don't think a declawed cat would be safe in a Clan, granted no cat is truly safe, but we've had several instances where cats have had to climb a tree or something to get away from an animal, or where animals were in a camp. |
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