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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 18, 2016 18:03:05 GMT -5
There's also Lizardstripe, who was just a mean cat in general and abused a kit she was supposed to be watching over.
Again, this is apparently logic!
Seriously though, I really don't get it either.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 18, 2016 18:04:43 GMT -5
Exactly..
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Holly Snow
My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 18, 2016 18:06:05 GMT -5
There's also Lizardstripe, who was just a mean cat in general and abused a kit she was supposed to be watching over. Again, this is apparently logic! Seriously though, I really don't get it either. I guess Millie gets starclan for having "good intentions" |
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Post by Basement Cat on Sept 18, 2016 18:09:21 GMT -5
Welp, I'm triggered. I can feel my surroundings shaking dramatically as I speak.
But seriously. Rainflower was a bit...cj, who disowned her own son. That is just as bad as hatred towards your own daughter because you were fooled by a psychopathic maniac. Rainflower absolutely deserves the Dark Forest.
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 18, 2016 18:48:05 GMT -5
Don't forget about Foxheart as well. She was never a pleasant cat and yet she makes a cameo in StarClan in Night Whispers.
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Post by moonmasksunfrost on Sept 18, 2016 19:36:07 GMT -5
Welp, I'm triggered. I can feel my surroundings shaking dramatically as I speak. But seriously. Rainflower was a bit...cj, who disowned her own son. That is just as bad as hatred towards your own daughter because you were fooled by a psychopathic maniac. Rainflower absolutely deserves the Dark Forest. At least, if you assume that there's nothing wrong with the Erins' reasoning as far as putting Brightflower in StarClan. What Rainflower did was terrible, but I think it was merely cruel- terrible and inexcusable, yes, but not full-blown evil. Im honestly just surprised at all of this; she seemed perfectly fine until that one outburst of understandable- misguided, yes, but understandable- anger, and all of a sudden she's "filled with hate" and "no longer sane" by the time she learns the truth? |
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 18, 2016 19:55:37 GMT -5
I know right
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Post by Yoshimi on Sept 18, 2016 20:25:06 GMT -5
Hey, This is my mom you're talking about.
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Sept 18, 2016 22:20:43 GMT -5
Maybe I have a controversial opinion, but I don't think StarClan is exclusively for "good cats." It seems more like a neutral ground, meaning instead of a purgatory or limbo, neutral cats get sent to StarClan as well.
For instance, Foxheart was never a pleasant cat (doesn't it say it in the name?) and was rather mean-spirited, but then again the worst thing she ever meant to do was make Yellowfang jealous. Not exactly a "good" motive, but she wasn't particularly malicious or evil. Even if she seemed like it, that wasn't really her intent.
I guess this could apply to Rainflower, too. She wasn't the best mother at all, but she's still allowed to make mistakes right? No one said you had to be perfect and holier-than-thou in life. She may have made poor choices out of pride, but overall Rainflower didn't have evil intentions.
Therefore, what constitutes for a cat to enter the Dark Forest is whether or not they had malicious intent. I think that's what's more important than the surface-level "what they did." Characters are complex, man.
(Under this logic Ashfur definitely deserved the Dark Forest, but that's a discourse-y topic I'd rather not talk about.)
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My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 18, 2016 23:06:20 GMT -5
Maybe I have a controversial opinion, but I don't think StarClan is exclusively for "good cats." It seems more like a neutral ground, meaning instead of a purgatory or limbo, neutral cats get sent to StarClan as well. For instance, Foxheart was never a pleasant cat (doesn't it say it in the name?) and was rather mean-spirited, but then again the worst thing she ever meant to do was make Yellowfang jealous. Not exactly a "good" motive, but she wasn't particularly malicious or evil. Even if she seemed like it, that wasn't really her intent. I guess this could apply to Rainflower, too. She wasn't the best mother at all, but she's still allowed to make mistakes right? No one said you had to be perfect and holier-than-thou in life. She may have made poor choices out of pride, but overall Rainflower didn't have evil intentions. Therefore, what constitutes for a cat to enter the Dark Forest is whether or not they had malicious intent. I think that's what's more important than the surface-level "what they did." Characters are complex, man. (Under this logic Ashfur definitely deserved the Dark Forest, but that's a discourse-y topic I'd rather not talk about.) thats still not fair for Brightflower and others. |
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Sept 18, 2016 23:10:05 GMT -5
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Post by mEmE on Sept 18, 2016 23:10:05 GMT -5
It has been confirmed officially that there is nothing to define what cat will go to StarClan or the Dark Forest. So the passport into StarClan is given only based off of the favouritism by StarClan residents
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 19, 2016 5:43:09 GMT -5
Maybe I have a controversial opinion, but I don't think StarClan is exclusively for "good cats." It seems more like a neutral ground, meaning instead of a purgatory or limbo, neutral cats get sent to StarClan as well. For instance, Foxheart was never a pleasant cat (doesn't it say it in the name?) and was rather mean-spirited, but then again the worst thing she ever meant to do was make Yellowfang jealous. Not exactly a "good" motive, but she wasn't particularly malicious or evil. Even if she seemed like it, that wasn't really her intent. I guess this could apply to Rainflower, too. She wasn't the best mother at all, but she's still allowed to make mistakes right? No one said you had to be perfect and holier-than-thou in life. She may have made poor choices out of pride, but overall Rainflower didn't have evil intentions. Therefore, what constitutes for a cat to enter the Dark Forest is whether or not they had malicious intent. I think that's what's more important than the surface-level "what they did." Characters are complex, man. (Under this logic Ashfur definitely deserved the Dark Forest, but that's a discourse-y topic I'd rather not talk about.) I'm pretty sure Brightflower and Lilywhisker never had any evil intent |
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Sept 19, 2016 16:15:31 GMT -5
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Sept 19, 2016 16:15:31 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Brightflower and Lilywhisker never had any evil intent Definitely. I don't think it was fair to put them in the Dark Forest. Just for clarification, by what means were they confirmed to be in the DF? If it's by the Erins, then my motto is "If the author contradicts their own book, then it isn't canon." Since technically it does contradict the actual books/canon (DF is only for ill intent, but Brightflower and Lilywhisker were simply misguided and unaware), I feel much obliged to disregard that "fact." |
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Post by mEmE on Sept 19, 2016 20:25:35 GMT -5
Honestly I really wanted an extra chapter or something regarding Crookedstar abd Rainflower relationship. I wanted Rainflower to go to StarClan just so Crookedstar can have a conversation with her and she would say how sorry she was and all that. But I never got to witness it  |
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Sept 23, 2016 16:08:24 GMT -5
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Post by Pyropelt on Sept 23, 2016 16:08:24 GMT -5
I don't think it is fair that Rainflower got to go to StarClan and Brightflower didn't. Because when Brightflower's kits were killed, she was genuinely distraught, which is why I believe it is partly a reason why she was hostile towards Yellowfang.
I think Rainflower should have went to the Dark Forest.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 23, 2016 16:19:15 GMT -5
No, I still don't think Rainflower should've went to the DF. A person being evil is not determined by their cruelty, it is determined by the hard feelings inside the character and then eventually developing into something more sinister. Rainflower being in the Dark Forest would be just as Brightflower being in the Dark Forest
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Sept 27, 2016 13:27:16 GMT -5
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 27, 2016 13:27:16 GMT -5
There's also Lizardstripe, who was just a mean cat in general and abused a kit she was supposed to be watching over. Again, this is apparently logic! Seriously though, I really don't get it either. I guess Millie gets starclan for having "good intentions" You read my thoughts. |
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Sept 27, 2016 13:30:54 GMT -5
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 27, 2016 13:30:54 GMT -5
It has been confirmed officially that there is nothing to define what cat will go to StarClan or the Dark Forest. So the passport into StarClan is given only based off of the favouritism by StarClan residents There. I'm watching the scraps of my faith in warriors slip away. |
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 27, 2016 13:34:42 GMT -5
I see threads complaining about these things all the time (including some posted by me so I don't sound like a hypocrite), but honestly people, what do you expect? This is 2016 and warriors with erin hunters. So honestly, do you expect any logic?
Yes, my faith in warriors is completely gone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 15:02:02 GMT -5
My friend found yesterday in Into the Wild that Brightflower watched Brokenstar say he killed her kits.
I do not accept YS as canon. That book has the most inconsistencies I have ever read, and this Su person really should have looked through the books. Brightflower yowled with grief. This doesn't make her evil. This is only shown as a mother grieving over her children.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 28, 2016 15:10:34 GMT -5
My friend found yesterday in Into the Wild that Brightflower watched Brokenstar say he killed her kits. I do not accept YS as canon. That book has the most inconsistencies I have ever read, and this Su person really should have looked through the books. Brightflower yowled with grief. This doesn't make her evil. This is only shown as a mother grieving over her children. Yes, Brightflower and the rest of ShadowClan found out the truth towards the end of ItW. Su saying that she died before then was a mistake and was corrected, now saying that by that time, she wasn't sane enough anymore to understand that Yellowfang didn't kill her kits and was shocked to learn that Brokenstar was a murderer. |
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My full names are Hollyleaf;) and Snowwing™
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Post by Holly Snow on Sept 28, 2016 15:20:12 GMT -5
My friend found yesterday in Into the Wild that Brightflower watched Brokenstar say he killed her kits. I do not accept YS as canon. That book has the most inconsistencies I have ever read, and this Su person really should have looked through the books. Brightflower yowled with grief. This doesn't make her evil. This is only shown as a mother grieving over her children. Yes, Brightflower and the rest of ShadowClan found out the truth towards the end of ItW. Su saying that she died before then was a mistake and was corrected, now saying that by that time, she wasn't sane enough anymore to understand that Yellowfang didn't kill her kits and was shocked to learn that Brokenstar was a murderer. I think we can conclude that Brightflower is not a consistent character at all. Ignoring this stuff, its odd that she had these kits at all. By the time Into the wild starts Yellowfang is supposed to be an old lady. In warriors world cats live only 7 years. Brightflower should be dead at this point. She should be an elder if not dead. She should have gone through cat menopause at least. I bet the reason she went to the dark forest is because she sold her soul to be physically young forever. |
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Sept 28, 2016 15:48:37 GMT -5
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 28, 2016 15:48:37 GMT -5
I have a theory guys. Rain flower was a perfectionist. She disowned Crookedstar because she couldn't deal with seeing his asymmetrical face as it gave her intense anxiety. She then favoured Oakheart in order to try distract herself from noticing Crookedstar's imperfection.
This would explain why such an awesome cat as Shellheart loved a she-cat such as Rainflower. It was her OCD and he understood that but he had to draw the line at some point with her behaviour.
(This is a joke btw but it actually could be plausible)
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Sept 29, 2016 2:10:01 GMT -5
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 29, 2016 2:10:01 GMT -5
I have a theory guys. Rain flower was a perfectionist. She disowned Crookedstar because she couldn't deal with seeing his asymmetrical face as it gave her intense anxiety. She then favoured Oakheart in order to try distract herself from noticing Crookedstar's imperfection. This would explain why such an awesome cat as Shellheart loved a she-cat such as Rainflower. It was her OCD and he understood that but he had to draw the line at some point with her behaviour. (This is a joke btw but it actually could be plausible) I think vicky confirmed it |
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