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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 18, 2016 19:56:14 GMT -5
I think the main issue isn't protecting people. It's just avoiding the already prevalent fights on this site from getting even more volatile and graphic. Because you know people will get riled up and throw an F bomb if they know there aren't any repercussions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 20:03:12 GMT -5
From what I see as the main points in this thread, it boils down to: yes, we are using movie ratings, but as this is text and not audio "bleeping" out curse words isn't quite the same. There is the fact that the implication of the word would still be clearly shown, even if you technically aren't writing it. (PG-13 movies also vary greatly in their content--some are fairly clean and others have quite a bit more adult content. As we are not the MPAA, we need stricter, across-the-board guidelines to prevent confusion.) This leads to the fact that bending the rules for one thread, with users who are used to/okay with cursing, would inevitably lead to a questioning of the rules across the forums. It's easier and safer to have the same rules everywhere. Curse words do have inappropriate meanings and do make some people uncomfortable. This is also a fact. And this site is meant to be as fun and comfortable as possible for all users, and therefore that may require some users to give up things such as cursing for the benefit of the site as a whole.
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Post by Reverend 3 kits on Sept 18, 2016 20:05:39 GMT -5
I think the main issue isn't protecting people. It's just avoiding the already prevalent fights on this site from getting even more volatile and graphic. Because you know people will get riled up and throw an F bomb if they know there aren't any repercussions. Then that's a problem with arguments not swear words.
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 18, 2016 20:07:28 GMT -5
I think the main issue isn't protecting people. It's just avoiding the already prevalent fights on this site from getting even more volatile and graphic. Because you know people will get riled up and throw an F bomb if they know there aren't any repercussions. Then that's a problem with arguments not swear words. I'd agree, but allowing cursing would definitely aggravate those fights, thus intertwining them. Better safe than sorry. Plus, there's not really a forum-wide benefit to using explicit diction.
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Post by 🆉🅴🅻🅳🆁🅸🆂 on Sept 18, 2016 20:18:13 GMT -5
I'm not a Mod, but I feel like this should be locked and stickies on FAQs due to so many questions. Also, it's been clarified and if there are any questions, the user can PM the Staff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 20:31:23 GMT -5
what's the point of this place being for teenagers, if the admins and moderators treat us and ""protect"" us like children? what teenager doesn't swear or hear swears excessively in their daily life? imo you seem to think we're a lot younger than what we really are, or you at least are trying to cater to the illegal children--which, mind you, makes zero sense. but y'all do whatever. im just stating my opinion and thoughts on the matter. i know nothing will change because you ""dont want to give in"" or ""lose the argument to a mere reg forumer"" so i dont really care too much anymore tbh.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 18, 2016 20:34:55 GMT -5
My suggestion is that if you aren't fond of the rules, maybe find another place you and your friends can go to. I don't see why we need to change the rules when there's no reason to at the moment.
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Post by Sand on Sept 18, 2016 20:41:58 GMT -5
what's the point of this place being for teenagers, if the admins and moderators treat us and ""protect"" us like children? what teenager doesn't swear or hear swears excessively in their daily life? imo you seem to think we're a lot younger than what we really are, or you at least are trying to cater to the illegal children--which, mind you, makes zero sense. but y'all do whatever. im just stating my opinion and thoughts on the matter. i know nothing will change because you ""dont want to give in"" or ""lose the argument to a mere reg forumer"" so i dont really care too much anymore tbh. I admit losing to you then, you have valid points and I don't have the best defense around. This is a site for cat books though I don't know why people need a boatload of cussing when that's the main reason for this place. Again, admitting defeat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:15:11 GMT -5
I'll be the first to admit, I cuss a lot and imo some words don't need to be censored. However there are cuss words that shouldn't be here at all, and those are the f-bombs and offensive terms like [dog] for example, this is just my opinion. If the word is altered in some way to insult anybody then I don't think it should be allowed, either, but that's a given.
I have heard of an different way to go about it. I think if you put a alternative word in brackets in place of the curse, I'm sure your point will get across the same.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:21:00 GMT -5
oh cmon ros i won ): psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/03/30/why-do-we-swear/As Jay notes, “Swearing is like using the horn on your car, which can be used to signify a number of emotions (e.g., anger, frustration, joy, surprise).” Swearing is beneficial in ways that people may underestimate or take for granted. Swearing is often cathartic — it often frees us of the feelings of anger or frustration we hold and allows expression for them....Swear words can also be used in a more positive manner, in the form of jokes and humor, storytelling, self-deprecation or even social commentary. Imagine when you want to emphasize how great you feel something is, a swear words emphasizes the positive feelings you have for that object, situation, person or event (“This concert is **effing** awesome!”). Sure, we could just say “This concert is awesome,” but the addition of the swear word emphasizes the emotional reaction we have toward it — and easily conveys that emotional reaction to others. there's also a lot more to it than that, but it's just giving you a few examples. swearing has become natural to teenagers and adults in this day and age especially. i'd like the censors to be looser (to at least allow a** and p*ss), but i can understand still disallowing & banning the usage of swear words when being used to insult people and/or using harsher ones in topics and times where it would generally just be inappropriate & unacceptable, such as in the cats section or any debate thread, or using them against some person in any way, as said. but saying things like "oh sh*t i dropped my spoon" or "im so p*ssed, mother nature is being a pain in the a**" is perfectly acceptable imo in casual chat & roleplay. even "p*ss off" seems fine, when used in roleplay or in a casual chat thread where all parties can realize it's a joke.
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Post by 🆉🅴🅻🅳🆁🅸🆂 on Sept 18, 2016 21:30:00 GMT -5
On my boards, as admin, I allowed cursing minus words such as: the N word, the C/W word, F-bombs, MotherF-er, B word etc., as they were deemed very inappropriate and insulting. Others were allowed as long as they were not directly insulting someone, which a bunch of people were okay with. Of course there are some that I'm missing, but that's how I kept the cursing under moderation.
Tl;dr - If it is insulting (racist, sexist, etc.) then it should not be allowed along with other words as listed above. But, alas, I am not a Mod on this forum and have no say.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 18, 2016 21:31:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this forum isn't mature enough for that, Anime. I curse a lot as well, but there are places where it shouldn't be used. Here is an example. You can easily express your emotion in pm or somewhere not in public. I feel like if we allowed those words, they will be used in fights and flame wars. I just don't see the point in extreme cursing on a cat forum. If it really bothers you, why not find somewhere else that allows it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:36:16 GMT -5
i wasn't thinking about going to those extremes, cat. there are limits most certainly. but we're teenagers. we need a more extended vocabulary here. it shouldn't be as watered and dumbed down as it is. screw the illegal children-- theyre taking a risk shen they come here, as stated by roswell's message that pops up to new people when they first visit the site. i added a second important quote up there in my last post in case you didn't read through the link that also explains why we swear even further. to a lot of people, swearing is primarily a way to express themselves.
anyway, the mods are here for a reason, no? and there's a report button for a reason. see someone abusing the words, just report them and have a mod handle the situation. easy as pie.
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Post by 🆉🅴🅻🅳🆁🅸🆂 on Sept 18, 2016 21:42:17 GMT -5
I completely understand what you are saying. However, there are some kiddos younger than ourselves and we must accept the thought that they may be innocent. I wasn't allowed to even think about cussing until 14. I completely understand that people use cussing as a way to express themselves, but I also think it should be limited. While I believe words like "sh*t", "ass", and "piss" should be allowed on this forum, we still have to keep in mind of the younger crowd. Too much freedom on cussing may draw people away as they do not like cussing. So it's not a restriction thing on some people, it's keeping the community whole and content as possible.
to add on to Rain's post - People are not mature enough here to have much freedom on cussing besides "hell" and "damn". If the Mods allow more cussing, it will not be used as intended.
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Post by Sand on Sept 18, 2016 21:43:34 GMT -5
Not a lot of people report things though, js; it's like people are either: A. afraid to report, B. don't want to, C. believe they can handle everything on their own (ex. rps that break the rules), D. reasons unknown that I have yet to figure out
I don't really understand why you "need a more extended vocabulary"-- like why do you need the f word, the b word, the c word, the m-f word on this site? If you're getting out anger, take it out elsewhere. You've seen the problem that have been cause in fights & flame wars when people get very angry. It's right there, in front of you and your nose. + in The Cats, saying something like "[CURSE] character's name here" sounds ridiculous to me. Come on, you can express that differently. Be a bit creative.
Swear words I'm fine with (FOR THIS SITE) is the p word, damn, hell, crap. You have to keep in mind that's there's immaturity here too-- it shows.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 18, 2016 21:51:53 GMT -5
I don't consider swearing an extension of vocabulary. You want to expand that, look up a word in a thesaurus. And like previously said, there are other places where you can curse. These forums are way too immature for a wider spectrum of curse words. OTD would be mayhem with people reporting and misunderstanding. There are many reasons why people don't report already. It's fine how it is now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:53:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm fine with the words (a), (s) and (p).
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Post by 🆉🅴🅻🅳🆁🅸🆂 on Sept 18, 2016 21:56:52 GMT -5
Saw that, Toothless. ;p
I'm gonna let the Staff take it from here; Ive already put in my two cents for what they're worth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:59:00 GMT -5
catsserole, again. children younger than thirteen are illegal, and coming here at all means that you agree to the risks you may face by coming here, such as seeing the word "ass" in a non sexual manner (but if you have that bad a reaction to that,,, just get off the internet lmao). why cater to chuldren who should not be here at all? Sand , if you read my posts, you'd see im against lifting he ban on the fbomb and b-word and such, and against using it in debates. i only really want piss because of how frequently my characters & i say "piss off" in casual convos. idrc about the rest in all honesty and people not reporting is your problem. maybe you can make posts encouraging the use of the function, reassuring people that it is private and efficient. by your logic, you might as well ban everything, if people don't use the report function, because anything can end up breaking a rule somehow. admin (sand) i ask you to allow the words piss, sh*t and ass, at least for a few days, just to test it out. if it doesnt look good or benefial, fine; i'll admit defeat then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 22:00:11 GMT -5
oops
I don't think the rules will change to accommodate the words, regardless if we want them or not. Suggestions for alternatives have been posted here, but I kinda agree with anime, except lifting the ban on b and f words. I just don't think the forum is ready for that, that's just too much imo but it's up to the administration and I'll support whatever they pick
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Post by 🆉🅴🅻🅳🆁🅸🆂 on Sept 18, 2016 22:01:37 GMT -5
admin (sand)Okay, your response, and then it should be locked.
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Post by Sand on Sept 18, 2016 22:06:36 GMT -5
Read your posts, not all of my post was directed towards you anyways, i should have clarified; sorry about that ^^;. Nothing wrong with the p word in my opinion.
it's been encouraged and, should people realize, that reporting makes things better for them & the community. see something you don't think belongs on this site if you've read the rules? REPORT IT. hell, i'll even make a topic right now encouraging reports if that's what you want from me. i don't mind doing that one bit, it's part of my job.
i'm not saying to "ban everything" because if we would, this place wouldn't exist. we've given people more flexibility than they had on WCF. you weren't allowed to type a single cuss word over there-- here, you can-- you even get PMs to do things like that too. here, you can use different avatars, posts links, talk about politics & lgbtq+ and other sensitive topics, no signature length limit only a word limit that proboards puts in on all of their sites.
everything has a con, everything has a pro; we're lucky to even have what we've got now.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 18, 2016 22:08:42 GMT -5
catsserole, again. children younger than thirteen are illegal, and coming here at all means that you agree to the risks you may face by coming here, such as seeing the word "ass" in a non sexual manner (but if you have that bad a reaction to that,,, just get off the internet lmao). why cater to chuldren who should not be here at all? Sand , if you read my posts, you'd see im against lifting he ban on the fbomb and b-word and such, and against using it in debates. i only really want piss because of how frequently my characters & i say "piss off" in casual convos. idrc about the rest in all honesty and people not reporting is your problem. maybe you can make posts encouraging the use of the function, reassuring people that it is private and efficient. by your logic, you might as well ban everything, if people don't use the report function, because anything can end up breaking a rule somehow. admin (sand) i ask you to allow the words piss, sh*t and ass, at least for a few days, just to test it out. if it doesnt look good or benefial, fine; i'll admit defeat then. It's the entire forums' problem because people who should be reported aren't. And people who should have been reported plenty of times to get banned won't get banned. Allowing certain words for a short time will only result in confusion and more work on the mods.
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Post by John 3:16 on Sept 18, 2016 22:25:32 GMT -5
woah this thread is crazy but I kinda have to agree with anime even though I can see where the mods are coming from
could I ask if we can use things like [fudge] and [poop] and [dog] or even more vague [curse] in rps? and maybe even that in discussions? idk
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