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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 17, 2016 20:03:04 GMT -5
Granted, it's stated by Su instead of Vicky, but she actually helps Vicky with the series and here's the reasoning why it's him instead of someone else like, say, Runningwind.
"Vicky already stated once that Whitestorm is their father, and he is. I had the same thoughts as you on this case. Also Whitestorm is guarding the nursery when Brindleface gave birth to the kits and he is talking and praising Ashpaw and Fernpaw when they are apprentices. The one time she said its Runningwind, well I would call this Vicky-cat-confusion. He wouldn't make sense at all. He never talked to Brindle, Fern or Ash or had something to do with them. = Father of Ashfur, Ferncloud and the two unnamed kits, mate of Brindleface, is Whitestorm."
Vicky already said that her heart doesn't think it's Whitestorm and while I can see him being their father, I still have trouble believing it, especially since I can't really see Whitestorm as having two mates at once or leaving one for the other especially while one is still in the nursey. While cats are known for taking multiple mates at once even in the series, I still can't see Whitestorm being one of those cats, but that's just me. And Vicky never actually confirmed that Whitestorm was the father before this either, she just said "I think".
What are your thoughts on this?
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 17, 2016 20:06:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure if we can trust Su, but Whitestorm makes sense to me
I agree that I don't see him having 2 mates at the same time though
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 17, 2016 20:06:21 GMT -5
Provide us proof, then we may consider believing you, Su. Seriously, this person isn't even official and they're stating canon "facts?!"
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Post by *Faith* on Sept 17, 2016 20:07:07 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by Amber on Sept 17, 2016 20:10:41 GMT -5
I don't believe it to be true. Whitestorm was too dang loyal of a tom to suddenly go to Willowpelt. I firmly believe it's Redtail because the timeline matches up and they were already mates. Also, who doesn't like the thought of Sandstorm as an older sister? I personally headcanon that Whitestorm and Redtail were friends, so that's why whitestorm was paying attention to Ferncloud and Ashfur.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 17, 2016 20:11:58 GMT -5
Whitestorm has also been shown to be close to Frostfur and Brindleface. It could be that he was protective of them and saw them as sisters.
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Post by Amber on Sept 17, 2016 20:12:54 GMT -5
Whitestorm has also been shown to be close to Frostfur and Brindleface. It could be that he was protective of them and saw them as sisters. Yes, we need more platonic relationships in Warriors. I personally like this theory.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 17, 2016 20:12:54 GMT -5
The way she has put it is exactly the way supporters of this theory put it which makes me... suspicious. Not pointing fingers at you or anything Moth.
While I support this it just feels wrong somehow. Maybe it's because I don't know anything about this new author. In general I don't like the Erin's confirming things because they do it way too much and it kinda just ruins the fandoms ability to have different headcanons and theories on things. Also, it shows how much they cater to their fans rather than doing what they want/what makes sense to the plot, etc. Not to mention all the inconsistencies it makes.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 17, 2016 20:13:41 GMT -5
I don't believe it to be true. Whitestorm was too dang loyal of a tom to suddenly go to Willowpelt. I firmly believe it's Redtail because the timeline matches up and they were already mates. Also, who doesn't like the thought of Sandstorm as an older sister? I personally headcanon that Whitestorm and Redtail were friends, so that's why whitestorm was paying attention to Ferncloud and Ashfur. Well, Whitestorm is Brindleface's foster brother and Redtail is Willowpelt's brither, so it's possible that was the case. However, Vicky has confirmed that Redtail isn't the father.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 17, 2016 20:15:10 GMT -5
Can you just imagine Whitestorm being that guy who is friends with all the she-cats and acts as a strong support system for them? I think it's adorable and would help explain why he was so respected within the clan.
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Post by Amber on Sept 17, 2016 20:15:23 GMT -5
I don't believe it to be true. Whitestorm was too dang loyal of a tom to suddenly go to Willowpelt. I firmly believe it's Redtail because the timeline matches up and they were already mates. Also, who doesn't like the thought of Sandstorm as an older sister? I personally headcanon that Whitestorm and Redtail were friends, so that's why whitestorm was paying attention to Ferncloud and Ashfur. Well, Whitestorm is Brindleface's foster brother and Redtail is Willowpelt's brither, so it's possible that was the case. However, Vicky has confirmed that Redtail isn't the father. Really? I had no idea. Oh well, I take most things she says as non-canon so I'll go that way.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 17, 2016 20:16:15 GMT -5
The way she has put it is exactly the way supporters of this theory put it which makes me... suspicious. Not pointing fingers at you or anything Moth. While I support this it just feels wrong somehow. Maybe it's because I don't know anything about this new author. In general I don't like the Erin's confirming things because they do it way too much and it kinda just ruins the fandoms ability to have different headcanons and theories on things. Also, it shows how much they cater to their fans rather than doing what they want/what makes sense to the plot, etc. Not to mention all the inconsistencies it makes. It's fine, Cloud. I know you didn't mean anything by it. I agree with the other stuff, though. It just doesn't seem right somehow. And by new author you mean Su, she isn't a new author, she just help out Vicky.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 17, 2016 20:17:31 GMT -5
Can you just imagine Whitestorm being that guy who is friends with all the she-cats and acts as a strong support system for them? I think it's adorable and would help explain why he was so respected within the clan. Yeah, that I can easily imagine. It'd be so adorable! ^^
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 17, 2016 20:18:22 GMT -5
The way she has put it is exactly the way supporters of this theory put it which makes me... suspicious. Not pointing fingers at you or anything Moth. While I support this it just feels wrong somehow. Maybe it's because I don't know anything about this new author. In general I don't like the Erin's confirming things because they do it way too much and it kinda just ruins the fandoms ability to have different headcanons and theories on things. Also, it shows how much they cater to their fans rather than doing what they want/what makes sense to the plot, etc. Not to mention all the inconsistencies it makes. It's fine, Cloud. I know you didn't mean anything by it. I agree with the other stuff, though. It just doesn't seem right somehow. And by new author you mean Su, she isn't a new author, she just help out Vicky. I'm not all too familiar with the Erin's anymore. What does Su do when she's helping Vicky?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 17, 2016 20:20:46 GMT -5
It's fine, Cloud. I know you didn't mean anything by it. I agree with the other stuff, though. It just doesn't seem right somehow. And by new author you mean Su, she isn't a new author, she just help out Vicky. I'm not all too familiar with the Erin's anymore. What does Su do when she's helping Vicky? Not too sure, but I guess confirming stuff on FB on her behalf is one of them.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 17, 2016 20:22:19 GMT -5
Headcanon: Whitestorm actively becomes a father figure to cats who lose their fathers or have fathers that are not the most active in their life.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 17, 2016 20:25:49 GMT -5
Headcanon: Whitestorm actively becomes a father figure to cats who lose their fathers or have fathers that are not the most active in their life. He tries to be what Bluestar was to him
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Sept 17, 2016 21:28:45 GMT -5
The way she has put it is exactly the way supporters of this theory put it which makes me... suspicious. Not pointing fingers at you or anything Moth. While I support this it just feels wrong somehow. Maybe it's because I don't know anything about this new author. In general I don't like the Erin's confirming things because they do it way too much and it kinda just ruins the fandoms ability to have different headcanons and theories on things. Also, it shows how much they cater to their fans rather than doing what they want/what makes sense to the plot, etc. Not to mention all the inconsistencies it makes. I think you make a really good point. One of the best parts of fandom is how there is enough evidence from the actual medium to support multiple different, but reasonable, headcanons. Having the creators "confirming" things and then people just accept it as canon destroys this aspect that makes fandom so special. That's why I tend to disregard things creators say that contradict the actual, published work.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 18, 2016 0:04:03 GMT -5
Why Whitestorm? Always though it was Runningwind...
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Post by mEmE on Sept 18, 2016 0:24:36 GMT -5
Confirmed to be Whitestorm? Are you [easy on language, it's against the rules] kidding me? That makes absolutely zero sense at all, I'm fine with deconfirming Runningwind because that doesn't make sense either. Also, why the hell isn't the father Redtail? Do these she-cats do nothing but get [oops] like little [oops] every few moons?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 18, 2016 17:28:01 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 18, 2016 21:57:42 GMT -5
Dammit I wanted Redtail...
Well I have a theory. This of course only works with the kits being concieved after Redtail is dead.
My theory is that after raising Sandstorm, Brindleface wanted more kits, Redtail was to busy with his deputy duties and planned to give her more kits when things settled down between RiverClan and ThunderClan. However he died before he could fulfill his promise to her. Whitestorm (Who thanks to Bluestar's Prophecy) is her foster brother and honestly they could have still been pretty close. It's possible Brindlface confided in him that she had wanted more kits but now that Redtail was dead she was aggrieved to never get the chance to be a mother again because she didn't want another mate. What if Whitestorm offered her a chance to be a mother again but not to be her mate? He did it to give her the chance to raise more kits without truly being mates. And what if Brindleface agreed with it? Which is why she isn't shown being jealous or upset that Whitestorm is with Willowpelt later and Brindleface never told her kits that Whitestorm was their father just that she and him were close as kits and that the reason he would look out fir them was because he was like their uncle?
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Post by Amber on Sept 18, 2016 22:01:54 GMT -5
Dammit I wanted Redtail... Well I have a theory. This of course only works with the kits being concieved after Redtail is dead. My theory is that after raising Sandstorm, Brindleface wanted more kits, Redtail was to busy with his deputy duties and planned to give her more kits when things settled down between RiverClan and ThunderClan. However he died before he could fulfill his promise to her. Whitestorm (Who thanks to Bluestar's Prophecy) is her foster brother and honestly they could have still been pretty close. It's possible Brindlface confided in him that she had wanted more kits but now that Redtail was dead she was aggrieved to never get the chance to be a mother again because she didn't want another mate. What if Whitestorm offered her a chance to be a mother again but not to be her mate? He did it to give her the chance to raise more kits without truly being mates. And what if Brindleface agreed with it? Which is why she isn't shown being jealous or upset that Whitestorm is with Willowpelt later and Brindleface never told her kits that Whitestorm was their father just that she and him were close as kits and that the reason he would look out fir them was because he was like their uncle? Interesting and kind of a sweet theory, but Whitestorm isn't the type of tom to do that. I honestly think it's Redtail and I don't care what the Erins say. The timeline matches up perfectly and they were already mates at that point.
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Post by Dᴀɴɴʏ Pʜᴀɴᴛᴏᴍ on Sept 18, 2016 22:06:05 GMT -5
I honestly believe that this Su person is laughing their head off at how easily this community falls for every single thing they say.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 18, 2016 22:08:03 GMT -5
Honestly, there is absolutely NO reason why Redtail isn't the father. Whitestorm isn't supposed to be someone who hops relationships.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 18, 2016 22:23:06 GMT -5
I don't see this. I see it as Red or Dark. There's no way that a cat like Ashfur could originate from a cat like Whitestorm That's not true when you look at who Whitestorm's father was.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 18, 2016 22:27:51 GMT -5
I don't see this. I see it as Red or Dark. There's no way that a cat like Ashfur could originate from a cat like Whitestorm That's not true when you look at who Whitestorm's father was. True...Thistleclaw was quite the father.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 18, 2016 22:47:23 GMT -5
I don't see this. I see it as Red or Dark. There's no way that a cat like Ashfur could originate from a cat like Whitestorm That's not true when you look at who Whitestorm's father was. I agree with this. Also, if Whitestorm was the father, it could link Ashfur's mental instability to Bluestar's.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Sept 18, 2016 22:48:48 GMT -5
I don't see this. I see it as Red or Dark. There's no way that a cat like Ashfur could originate from a cat like Whitestorm Jesus Christ, genes barely matter when looking for parents. One of my kids can be blonde because my great great great great grandmother was blonde I think Sootfeather was referring to Ashfur's behavior toward Squirrelflight and her family back in PoT and not be able to see how a cat like Whitestorm could father someone who behaved so awfully...Unless that was what you meant in which case I agree.
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