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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 17:17:01 GMT -5
They have now been erased from the books. What is the series like without them?
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Post by mEmE on Sept 15, 2016 17:37:13 GMT -5
Ravenpaw, fire probs wont save the clan too easily then
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 15, 2016 17:39:14 GMT -5
Barley Ravenpaw would have no where to go
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Post by nem on Sept 15, 2016 18:00:07 GMT -5
Needletail
ShadowClan probably wouldn't be in the bad state it is in now.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Sept 15, 2016 18:16:28 GMT -5
Jayfeather
The Clans wouldn't exist, nor would the tribes.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 15, 2016 21:03:10 GMT -5
Jayfeather The Clans wouldn't exist, nor would the tribes. You mean Jay's Wing
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Post by sonnensturm1 on Sept 16, 2016 0:37:01 GMT -5
Blackstar. ShadowClan is dead.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Sept 16, 2016 0:52:57 GMT -5
Brackenfur. Meaning the existence of Cinderheart, Poppyfrost, Honeyfern, Lilyheart, Larkpaw, Honeypaw, Leafpaw, Fernsong, Cherryfall, Molewhisker, Hollytuft, Sorrelstripe, Seedpaw, and Molepaw are gone as well.
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Post by Sand-CAT128 on Sept 16, 2016 3:05:00 GMT -5
Sandstorm
I wouldn't have read it.
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Post by Sand-CAT128 on Sept 16, 2016 3:07:44 GMT -5
not really, but it would be kinda lame and if you think about it, if there was no sandstorm, there would be not leafpool, and if there was no leafpool, there would be no jayfeather/jay's wing, so without sandstorm, (and if *angrily* spotted+fire was a thing), the clans or tribes wouldn't exist.
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Post by 𝕡𝕖𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕥 on Sept 16, 2016 4:55:48 GMT -5
Jayfeather The Clans wouldn't exist, nor would the tribes. You mean Jay's Wing They're the same cat.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 16, 2016 6:06:33 GMT -5
I consider them different, reincarnation doesn't rly mean they're the same cat. Just like how Cinderpelt and former Cinderheart are different cats
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Post by theRavenflight on Sept 16, 2016 12:40:38 GMT -5
Onewhisker
Mudclaw would be leader of WindClan, and maybe they wouldn't have that stigma surrounding them that they're weak
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 16, 2016 15:17:43 GMT -5
Needletail Violetkit would probably be very depressed and may even sneak out and ask Bramblestar is she can join ThunderClan Or maybe my wish would be fulfilled and Violet and Twig would run away together
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Post by nem on Sept 16, 2016 20:01:42 GMT -5
Needletail Violetkit would probably be very depressed and may even sneak out and ask Bramblestar is she can join ThunderClan Or maybe my wish would be fulfilled and Violet and Twig would run away together Violetkit and Twigkit probably would've been dead, or with their proper parents.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 16, 2016 21:38:16 GMT -5
Ivypool, guess the dark forest is taking over, rip.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 21:40:54 GMT -5
Firestar
Well the clans certainly wouldn't be around anymore
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Sept 16, 2016 23:09:50 GMT -5
Rainflower. ON one hand, one of the biggest jerks in the series is erased, but on the other hand, Crookedstar's Promise probably wouldn't be as good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 0:45:19 GMT -5
Rainflower. ON one hand, one of the biggest jerks in the series is erased, but on the other hand, Crookedstar's Promise probably wouldn't be as good. Without Rainflower, Crookedstar would have never been born. So that impacts a lot... Without Crookedstar, Willowbreeze would have been kidnapped by Twolegs. And Silverstream wouldn't have been born. So Graystripe would have drown in Fire and Ice. And then Feathertail and Stormfur wouldn't have been born. And without them, Firestar would have no reason to go to spy on TigerClan, so Mistystar and Stonefur would both be killed. So there would be a completely different RiverClan leader after Leopardstar. Also, since Graystripe drowned, that means Brightheart would have been taken to be a kittypet. And without her, Cloudtail would have become mates with Daisy so Rosepetal, Toadstep, Snowbush, Ambermoon, Dewnose, Larkpaw, Leafpaw and Honeypaw would have never been born. That means Twigkit wouldn't have been able to live in ThunderClan because there would be no queens to feed her. Also, since Graystripe drown, he never met Millie so no Bumblestripe, Blossomfall and Briarlight. This means no Dovewing love triangle. Rainflower disappearing really affects a lot... wow.
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Post by Sand-CAT128 on Sept 17, 2016 2:40:57 GMT -5
Mapleshade
Everything would be ok. Firestar wouldn't have had to die, and many other cats, including Tigerstar might not have been evil cause maple has always been guiding tigerstar. until he deid forever of course.
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Post by Sootfeather on Sept 17, 2016 12:11:16 GMT -5
Rainflower. ON one hand, one of the biggest jerks in the series is erased, but on the other hand, Crookedstar's Promise probably wouldn't be as good. Without Rainflower, Crookedstar would have never been born. So that impacts a lot... Without Crookedstar, Willowbreeze would have been kidnapped by Twolegs. And Silverstream wouldn't have been born. So Graystripe would have drown in Fire and Ice. And then Feathertail and Stormfur wouldn't have been born. And without them, Firestar would have no reason to go to spy on TigerClan, so Mistystar and Stonefur would both be killed. So there would be a completely different RiverClan leader after Leopardstar. Also, since Graystripe drowned, that means Brightheart would have been taken to be a kittypet. And without her, Cloudtail would have become mates with Daisy so Rosepetal, Toadstep, Snowbush, Ambermoon, Dewnose, Larkpaw, Leafpaw and Honeypaw would have never been born. That means Twigkit wouldn't have been able to live in ThunderClan because there would be no queens to feed her. Also, since Graystripe drown, he never met Millie so no Bumblestripe, Blossomfall and Briarlight. This means no Dovewing love triangle. Rainflower disappearing really affects a lot... wow. Wow. Actually without Rainflower, Oakheart wouldn't have been born which means Mistystar and Stonefur wouldn't have been either. Bluestar would have been deputy immediately without any sacrifice.
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Post by Sootfeather on Sept 17, 2016 12:12:12 GMT -5
Mapleshade Everything would be ok. Firestar wouldn't have had to die, and many other cats, including Tigerstar might not have been evil cause maple has always been guiding tigerstar. until he deid forever of course. But then we wouldn't have the Mapleshade joke threads
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 17, 2016 12:24:49 GMT -5
Without Rainflower, Crookedstar would have never been born. So that impacts a lot... Without Crookedstar, Willowbreeze would have been kidnapped by Twolegs. And Silverstream wouldn't have been born. So Graystripe would have drown in Fire and Ice. And then Feathertail and Stormfur wouldn't have been born. And without them, Firestar would have no reason to go to spy on TigerClan, so Mistystar and Stonefur would both be killed. So there would be a completely different RiverClan leader after Leopardstar. Also, since Graystripe drowned, that means Brightheart would have been taken to be a kittypet. And without her, Cloudtail would have become mates with Daisy so Rosepetal, Toadstep, Snowbush, Ambermoon, Dewnose, Larkpaw, Leafpaw and Honeypaw would have never been born. That means Twigkit wouldn't have been able to live in ThunderClan because there would be no queens to feed her. Also, since Graystripe drown, he never met Millie so no Bumblestripe, Blossomfall and Briarlight. This means no Dovewing love triangle. Rainflower disappearing really affects a lot... wow. Wow. Actually without Rainflower, Oakheart wouldn't have been born which means Mistystar and Stonefur wouldn't have been either. Bluestar would have been deputy immediately without any sacrifice. Maybe she wouldn't go as crazy, because giving up her kits and Mosskit dying was one of the things that lead to it
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Post by Amber on Sept 17, 2016 14:27:15 GMT -5
Without a Tigerstar, many things would change. And actually, I wrote an ENTIRE article that's between 2,000-3,000 words on Kate's blog. Anyway, here it is. POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD
In BP, Tigerstar attacked Tiny. Without Tigerpaw,. Tiny won't have been attacked so that means no Scourge and no BloodClan. Redtail would've lived without Tigerstar there to kill him and most likely he'd become Redstar. Ravenpaw also wouldn't have left and so, he'd stay in the Clan. The in the original arc when Firespaw. Bluestar, Tigerclaw, Graypaw and Ravenpaw were at the Moonstone, ThunderClan was attacked and two kits were taken. Without Tigerstar there to reveal the weakness of ThunderClan, ShadowClan wouldn't have attacked so Spottedleaf and Lionheart both would've lived. With Redtail alive still being deputy, Lionheart wouldn't have taken his place. And, Yellowfang would've been an elder considering Spottedleaf is still alive then too. Also, that would've meant Brtokenstar would've never attacked ThunderClan in the first place. And in turn, Graypaw and Firepaw would have to wait to get their names. With Spottedleaf alive, Firestar and her would've become mates or find out their "love" for each other and stayed friends. Without Tigerstar, Goldenflower wouldn't have given birth To Tawnypelt or Bramblestar. There would've been no trap on the Thunderpath for Bluestar, so Cinderpelt would've never had been crippled. She also wouldn't have the bond with Yellowfang like she did and probably would've gotten a mate. Perhaps in Runningwind or Swiftpaw. Both Runningwind and Whitethroat would also be alive without Tigerstar there. At some point, ShadowClan would probably be dealt with in terms of Brokenstar.
After he was gone, Nightpelt would probably be dead at that point, so who knows who would be leader. Maybe Blackfoot and Russetfur as well as other members were accepted into the Clan at some point. Anyway, knowing Bluestar, WindClan might've been brought back, however much later than in the books. There'd most likely be no attack from the rouges in FoS, so Bluestar would've never have been cornered by Tigerstar and thus, not have gone crazy. With her mind in a good state, all the apprentices would've gotten their names on time. So, there'd be no reason for Swiftpaw and Brightheart to prove themselves. On top of that, due to there not ever being any dogs, Brindleface and Swiftpaw would've lived and Brightheart wouldn't have been disfigured. And I firmly believe that she and Cloudtail would've still become mates because Swiftpaw and Brightheart seemed more like friends.
Though the ThunderClan leader sacrificed herself, she was very old so I believe she would've died of old age and thus, Redtail would've become Redstar. Fireheart probably would've become deputy or maybe he would've made his daughter Sandstorm become it. Speaking of those two, I still believe they would've become mates with Fireheart proving himself to the Clan. Without Tawnykit or Bramblekit, Darkstripe wouldn't have brought them to Tigerstar. And if he wasn't visiting Tigerstar, he would've never fed deathberries to Sorrelkit and might actually have been good. He also wouldn't have joined TigerClan and later BloodClan. Speaking of which, Stonefur would still have lived to be RiverClan's deputy and possible leader. Sasha wouldn't have met tigerstar and possibly either die in the streets or got picked up. And with those two becoming mates, there'd be no Mothwing, Hawkfrost or Tadpole. When the time for the final battle came, no one would've died. At some point, Redstar would either die or retire and we'd get either a Firestar or Sandstar.
On to The New Prophecy, already there'd be no Tawnypelt or Brambleclaw, so other warriors would go in their place. Perhaps Squirrelflight or Leafpool and another ShadowClan cat. As I mentioned before, there'd most likely be no Russetfur or Blackstar and if they were accepted back into the Clan, they'd most likely not hold any high ranks. After the journey, Ashfur and Squirrelflight would've stayed friends and there'd be no Brambleclaw-Squirrelflight-Ashfur drama. Perhaps Squirrelflight and Ashfur would've become mates, Squirrelflight would've stayed single or she'd get a different mate. As for different mates, I can see her being with either Sootfur or Rainwhisker andlet's face it; if either of them were her mate, they wouldn't have died. When Berrykit got his tail stuck in the fox trap, perhaps ShadowClan would've helped him. With Hawkfrost non-existent, Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight would never have argued, or let alone have a relationship considering there'd be no Tigerstar. And with no Hawkfrost, Ashfur would've never have been planning with the RiverClan tom so Firestar or even Sandstar wouldn't have gotten captured in the fox trap.
Onto the Power of Three, Squirrelflight might've been mates with Sootfur or Rainwhisker so the three could still be hidden. Another possibility is Squirrelflight would've remained single so she'd either have to make up a story about the three's father or Leafpool would've had to come clean with her kits. If Leafpool took came clean, Jay, Holly and Lion would've been mistrusted due to their father being from WindClan. If that were the case in which Leafpool had to take care of the three, Brightheart most likely would've temporarily taken over for her. If Squirrelflight did take either Sootfur or Rainwhisker as her mate, everything with Holly, Jay and Lion would've remained the same up until the secret was revealed. I still believe Ashfur would've been jealous and things probably would've remained the same for him. To add, Lionpaw would've never been visited by Tigerstar in the first place, thus never seeing visions of him killing Heathertail. Focusing on Tigerstar's family in ShadowClan, there would be no Dawnpelt, Tigerheart or Flametail because Rowanclaw and Tawnypelt wouldn't have become mates. More will be added on this later.
Now, as for the biggest thing in this arc was the reveal that Jayfeather, Hollyleaf and Lionblaze weren't the kits of Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw. I believe things would've gone down differently. If Sootfur was the mate of Squirrelflight when the secret was reveled by Hollyleaf, he most likely would've been angry at first. During that time, he and Squirrelflight may drift a part, though I believe he would've forgiven her in the first few books of OotS, unlike Bram,bleclaw, they both would stay as mates. If she and Rainwhisker were mates during this time, I don't think Rainwhisker would be angry, but hurt. He'd quickly forgive his mate and understand why she did what she did.
Moving onto the last arc, in the first book there is a drought. During the drought, Dovepaw hears beavers and the Clans go on a journey to stop them. Tigerheart goes with them. Without Tigerstar, there'd be no Tigerheart so a different ShadowClan warrior would go on the journey with her and the other warriors. Now without Hawkfrost being there to tempt Ivypaw to join the Dark Forest, she would still be jealous of Dovepaw. Perhaps another warrior would bring Ivypaw to the DF or maybe she'd hold in her anger and jealously of Dovepaw as the arc progressed. If Ivypaw was in the DF, she probably would've ended up spying for the three still. If not, then the three would've been blinded as to what the DF was doing. Now, without Tawnypelt existing, Flametail wouldn't have died and Dawnpelt wouldn't have accused Jayfeather of killing her brother. Thus, there'd be no need for him to be demoted for a little while.
Throughout the entirety of the OotS arc, Tigerstar was one of the major driving forces for the DF and their cause. Without them there, the DF warriors most likely would be less passionate and maybe not even interested in destroying/taking over the Clans. During Fading Echoes/Night Whispers when Ivypool is taken by ShadowClan, Tigerheart wouldn't force her to be traded for herbs he didn't know about because he and Dovepaw wouldn't be meeting. And if Dovepaw and Tigerheart wouldn't meet, there'd be no stupid drama between Dove-Tiger-Bumble. This would mean, Bumlestripe and Dovewing would probably end up being mates. When Jayfeather visits StarClan in The Last Hope, Flametail almost let's him die in StarClan. Actually, how does that even work, dying in StarClan? Anyway, Jayfeather would have no need to look for him so he would never even come close to dying. Without much passion from the DF, they would either no attack the Clans, or quickly loose the battle. And if there is no battle, none of the warriors like Foxleap, Sorreltail or Ferncloud would've died.
SPOILERS AHEAD FOR TAQ AND TAS! DON'T READ IF YOU DO'T WANT SPOILERS! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
I haven't read the new arc nor do I intend to, however, from what I've heard, I'll try and make an accurate prediction.
For TAQ, if Squirrelflight had kits with either Sootfur or Rainwhisker, then we'd get Alderpaw and Sparkpaw, but most likely with different descriptions. Now if she never took on a mate, we'd most likely see one of or all of Lionblaze's kits in their spot.
As for TaS, Sleekwhisker and Juniperclaw, the kits of Dawnpelt, wouldn't be the main driving forces for the rebellion of the ShadowClan apprentices. This would be due to them not being born.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 15:59:18 GMT -5
Tawnypelt - Tawnypelt wouldn't have been the cat to go on TNP journey, and it would have been some other ShadowClan cat. She also wouldn't have gone with Bramblestar, Squirrelflight, and the Three to the mountains. Tigerheart, Flametail, and Dawnpelt wouldn't have been born- which means Dovewing wouldn't have had all that drama with Tigerheart in OOTS, Tigerheart wouldn't have been made deputy, so unless Rowanstar's deputy was some other kin, then his deputy would have probably rebelled too, since none of Rowanstar's warriors were super loyal to him unless they were kin , Littlecloud would have just stayed the only medicine cat and the whole Jayfeather drama wouldn't exist regarding Flametail's death. Since Dawnpelt wouldn't exist, Juniperclaw, Strikestone, and Sleekwhisker wouldn't exist. So that would mean three less cats who would have rebelled against Rowanstar. And that also means that unless Rowanstar took a different mate and had different kits, he would have gone to ThunderClan alone. Oh and all those messages Tawnypelt would tell Bramblestar wouldn't happen so... ThunderClan would have to find out about ShadowClan's problems a different way.
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