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Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Sept 13, 2016 14:44:39 GMT -5
For going crazy near the end of her life, tbh. Even if it wasn't dementia, she did deal with a whole lot.
I mean, she lost her mother right after she was apprenticed and saw her being murdered. She also lost her old mentor. It was shown she wasn't really coping well and had very few friends in the Clan so she was isolated a lot. Then she has a rivalry with Thistlepaw which continues until he's dead. Bluefur learns of the Fire Alone prophecy and the rest of her life is effected by it in multiple ways--she doesn't really get close to anyone, Goosefeather meddles in her life because of his insistence that she become the next leader, etc. Snowfur dies and for a while she has no one, then she is raising Whitekit while trying to dodge Thistleclaw's wrath. When she's a queen she's forced to give up her kits and knows that Mosskit's death is her fault--and she does this because of Goosefeather's insistence that she become deputy less the worst happen.
She has very few friends in the Clan that aren't related to her and a lot of what she does is Clan-oriented. TBH, she never really had any chance to develop a social life or any type of personality outside what the prophecy said and what she was pushed into being by Goosefeather.
Had she not known of the prophecy and had she not been pushed so much, she probably would have turned out entirely different.
Bluestar always struck me as a no-nonsense character who while ambitious, didn't exactly choose the path she would've wanted otherwise. She gave literally everything for ThunderClan to the point where at her core, her identity was to protect ThunderClan.
Tigerclaw's betrayal and the subsequent things happening afterward would have been a slap in the face to her. She's given up everything even though she didn't have to--because she was basically told by Goosefeather and StarClan to do so--to dedicate her entire existence to the Clan only for it all to fold under her.
I just realize...man, how lonely must she have been? She had Whitestorm and Lionheart, but Lionheart died and Whitestorm always seemed like an advisor more than a friend even though they were related. Rosetail isn't even mentioned other than her dying. All the other cats that she's interacted with in BP are dead due to starvation, disease, etc.
I wouldn't trade places with Bluestar for the world. Like, it just goes to show that when a cat has a prophecy, the younger they're told about it the more it affects them negatively.
Dovewing would be a prime example. Also the Original Three.
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Post by whiteflight on Sept 13, 2016 14:52:07 GMT -5
don't forget she had Rosetail? and Sweetpaw, but sadly they both died before her
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Ferncloud Deserves Better
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Post by Pandean on Sept 13, 2016 15:44:13 GMT -5
don't forget she had Rosetail? and Sweetpaw, but sadly they both died before her I mentioned Rosetail.
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 13, 2016 15:44:19 GMT -5
The only thing I really blame her for is delaying the apprentices' ceremonies, indirectly causing Swiftpaw's death, and renaming Brightpaw Lostface
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Post by Winterstorm on Sept 13, 2016 17:19:29 GMT -5
The only thing I really blame her for is delaying the apprentices' ceremonies, indirectly causing Swiftpaw's death, and renaming Brightpaw Lostface But when she did that. She was not right in her mind.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 13, 2016 17:50:38 GMT -5
The only thing I really blame her for is delaying the apprentices' ceremonies, indirectly causing Swiftpaw's death, and renaming Brightpaw Lostface But when she did that. She was not right in her mind. In the real world, if you done it, you done it, doesn't really matter if you're right-minded or not. That is, unless you're white
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Post by kinkajou on Sept 13, 2016 17:58:50 GMT -5
But when she did that. She was not right in her mind. In the real world, if you done it, you done it, doesn't really mean if you're right-minded or not. That is, unless you're white No offense but sometimes it seems like you're trying to start arguments Winterstorm true I just really don't like it :/ i mean...I can forgive her losing faith in StarClan and stuff but that...I just can't help disliking her for it
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Post by mEmE on Sept 13, 2016 18:06:06 GMT -5
In the real world, if you done it, you done it, doesn't really mean if you're right-minded or not. That is, unless you're white No offense but sometimes it seems like you're trying to start arguments Winterstorm true I just really don't like it :/ i mean...I can forgive her losing faith in StarClan and stuff but that...I just can't help disliking her for it [ No intention of starting arguments, just making a simple joke. But yes, I do think that "not being in the right mind" is not an excuse. There is a reason why you're still responsible for he things you done while drunk. Sure you may not have been in the right mind, but it is no real excuse for what happened
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Post by Amber on Sept 13, 2016 18:24:46 GMT -5
No intention of starting arguments, just making a simple joke. But yes, I do think that "not being in the right mind" is not an excuse. There is a reason why you're still responsible for he things you done while drunk. Sure you may not have been in the right mind, but it is no real excuse for what happened Yes, I agree. When someone is drunk, they still get punished for. If someone murdered and they weren't in the right state of mind, they are still accountable for their actions.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 13, 2016 21:45:48 GMT -5
Yes, it's absolutely true, but it still doesn't excuse them. Onestar became pretty jacked up in his mind after he became leader and Mudclaw almost brought him down. Not really an excuse for what he did. Ashfur wasn't exactly sane either. You could even say Brokenstar had his mind screwed up from childhood. You can say the same for scourge as well. Mapleshade too.
In the end, we can all understand and forgive but they will forever hold those atrocities in their heart.
Again, I was just makin a simple harmless joke.
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Post by Aku on Sept 13, 2016 23:07:29 GMT -5
I've always felt sorry for Bluestar ever since I read BP and TPB. She went through a lot, I'm not entirely surprised that she eventually did lose it towards the end of her life.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Sept 13, 2016 23:50:57 GMT -5
Bluestar shows a lot of symptoms of either PTSD, or some kind of severe depression disorder/paranoia stress. I think all the pressure just made her brain finally snap. I've seen this happen to people personally, and it's not a pretty thing.
Yes, her actions were awful--but she was a good leader up until she finally broke. People don't ever seem to take this into consideration I don't think.
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Post by Pandean on Sept 14, 2016 12:52:20 GMT -5
Yes, it's absolutely true, but it still doesn't excuse them. Onestar became pretty jacked up in his mind after he became leader and Mudclaw almost brought him down. Not really an excuse for what he did. Ashfur wasn't exactly sane either. You could even say Brokenstar had his mind screwed up from childhood. You can say the same for scourge as well. Mapleshade too. In the end, we can all understand and forgive but they will forever hold those atrocities in their heart. Again, I was just makin a simple harmless joke. The difference is that Bluestar was a great leader for a long time and people only think of those final months where she lost it. And well, the joke wasn't funny.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 14, 2016 12:54:52 GMT -5
Yes, it's absolutely true, but it still doesn't excuse them. Onestar became pretty jacked up in his mind after he became leader and Mudclaw almost brought him down. Not really an excuse for what he did. Ashfur wasn't exactly sane either. You could even say Brokenstar had his mind screwed up from childhood. You can say the same for scourge as well. Mapleshade too. In the end, we can all understand and forgive but they will forever hold those atrocities in their heart. Again, I was just makin a simple harmless joke. The difference is that Bluestar was a great leader for a long time and people only think of those final months where she lost it. And well, the joke wasn't funny. When she was sane, o was say that she is an ok leader at best. She didn't do anything really bad not anything outstanding. IMO she sort of holds the middle ground
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