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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 13, 2016 15:25:04 GMT -5
Also I think Ashfur and Squirrelflight is a prime example of how important it is to clarify intentions in a relationship. I've seen a lot of issues with this IRL with my friends and their relationships and when they look back they always mention how they felt like they should've stated what they were looking for in the relationship and how far they intended to go. Ashfur should've been straightforward with Squirrelflight and expressed his interest in becoming her mate earlier on, since she wasn't really looking into the meaning of his actions. Squirrelflight should've been a bit more straight up about not looking for a relationship yet due to her obvious conflict with Brambleclaw, in addition to perhaps being a bit more sensitive to Ashfur's actions. Not saying anything good or bad about the ship, but I just feel like, in general, this is something we should all take from their relationship. Squirrelflight actually was aware of Ashfur's feelings though and thought about being his mate at least once or twice, but didn't want to start anything just yet until she was completely sure of her feelings. I do agree though. Much as I dislike AshxSquirrel, I do agree it does teach a lesson in clarifying intentions in a relationship. Some other pairings do this, too. Yeah, if she knew (which I didn't remember since I haven't read TNP is forever lol) it's even more of a reason to clarify. By simply saying that she wasn't sure of her feelings and she needed some time to think before progressing into a relationship, perhaps Ashfur would've given her the space she needed and the entire conflict would've been avoided. Who knows? But hey, who doesn't need more drama? Me, I hate drama |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:40:24 GMT -5
You know, I'm interesting and in hearing about why Ashfur and Squirrelflight should be together. Their fans are very few and far in between now and days. But Alder, please no sexist comments, they aren't necessary.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 13, 2016 21:44:56 GMT -5
I feel like people judge Ashfur's overprotectivness a little too negatively. We need to keep in mind the POV we saw this behaviour through, Squirrelflight, who doesn't like being looked after. She was highly independent and rebellious at this age. This is why we take it as a negative but if it had been a she-cat who liked this sort of attention and care we would view the situation a bit more positively.
What I mean I guess is don't label Ashfur's overprotective tendencies as a negative attribute. It's just a trait he has that is negative or positive depending on the cat receiving this attention.
Do you think this tendency of Ashfur's is a result of his mother being killed by Tigerstar? Ashfur may feel like he should have been there to protect his mother and so tends to be protective of she-cats. It may even extend as far as Willowpelt's death while she was out on patrol. Ashfur would have seen how Soot, Rain and Sorrel reacted to her death and surther reinforced his desire to protect others.
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Now a BNHA addict. Mina Ashido is the best girl and I will fight you all on that.
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Post by Sootfeather on Sept 14, 2016 8:05:25 GMT -5
I feel like people judge Ashfur's overprotectivness a little too negatively. We need to keep in mind the POV we saw this behaviour through, Squirrelflight, who doesn't like being looked after. She was highly independent and rebellious at this age. This is why we take it as a negative but if it had been a she-cat who liked this sort of attention and care we would view the situation a bit more positively. What I mean I guess is don't label Ashfur's overprotective tendencies as a negative attribute. It's just a trait he has that is negative or positive depending on the cat receiving this attention. Do you think this tendency of Ashfur's is a result of his mother being killed by Tigerstar? Ashfur may feel like he should have been there to protect his mother and so tends to be protective of she-cats. It may even extend as far as Willowpelt's death while she was out on patrol. Ashfur would have seen how Soot, Rain and Sorrel reacted to her death and surther reinforced his desire to protect others. While that's a very interesting point, I still don't think it was caused by his mother's death. I'm pretty sure he used his mother's death to guilt trip Squirrelflight, by saying it was Tigerstar's fault she died and thus Brambleclaw's burden to carry. If he had the nerve to do that, the I can't exactly see him having good intentions for that reason. Plus, many cats don't seem to have tight bonds with their parents unless they're parental figures (Sunfall and Bluepaw, Crookedkit and Echomist/Brambleberry, etc.) It's rare to see a cat who's grown up and still have a close bond with their mother. Mentors usually seem to fill that role for them. |
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Post by !Ravenwing on Sept 14, 2016 8:49:00 GMT -5
The Shipping I hate most is the StormtailxDappletail Ship I can freak over it for hours!! Wait Did I tell a spoiler?Oops!(: |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 14, 2016 14:36:29 GMT -5
I feel like people judge Ashfur's overprotectivness a little too negatively. We need to keep in mind the POV we saw this behaviour through, Squirrelflight, who doesn't like being looked after. She was highly independent and rebellious at this age. This is why we take it as a negative but if it had been a she-cat who liked this sort of attention and care we would view the situation a bit more positively. What I mean I guess is don't label Ashfur's overprotective tendencies as a negative attribute. It's just a trait he has that is negative or positive depending on the cat receiving this attention. Do you think this tendency of Ashfur's is a result of his mother being killed by Tigerstar? Ashfur may feel like he should have been there to protect his mother and so tends to be protective of she-cats. It may even extend as far as Willowpelt's death while she was out on patrol. Ashfur would have seen how Soot, Rain and Sorrel reacted to her death and surther reinforced his desire to protect others. While that's a very interesting point, I still don't think it was caused by his mother's death. I'm pretty sure he used his mother's death to guilt trip Squirrelflight, by saying it was Tigerstar's fault she died and thus Brambleclaw's burden to carry. If he had the nerve to do that, the I can't exactly see him having good intentions for that reason. Plus, many cats don't seem to have tight bonds with their parents unless they're parental figures (Sunfall and Bluepaw, Crookedkit and Echomist/Brambleberry, etc.) It's rare to see a cat who's grown up and still have a close bond with their mother. Mentors usually seem to fill that role for them. Well, that doesn't prove that he wasn't affected by her death in the way we're speaking about. It just shows that he was desperate enough to throw such a low blow. And just because he was making these statements in order to sway Squirrelflight doesn't mean he didn't care for Squirrelflight and have good intentions in the beginning at least. I see it as the opposite- he was so sure he was the right one to care for Squirrelflight that he would do and say anything to make her see and believe it too. Even use his mother'a death as an excuse (which is rather disgusting). In the first series I would agree with your last statement but in later series, mentors don't seem to be as important sadly. Ashfur was close enough to his mother to risk his life in her name to lead the dogs away from ThunderClan. And close enough to her that he seems to hold a grudge about it againt Brambleclaw(although this is only a maybe since the two toms where friends at one point if I'm not mistaken?). Really, I think Ashfur got so wrapped up he became obsessed with the idea of him and Squirrelflight that he forgot her feelings mattered. When she told him she wasn't interested in him, his perfect image of them broke and he couldn't handle it. |
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 14, 2016 19:34:15 GMT -5
It's rather ironic...their username, yet they're defending Ashfur. If Ashfur were still alive, I have no doubt he'd try to kill Sparkpelt and Alderheart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 21:11:44 GMT -5
Alderheart butthurt fan of the day for me congrats.
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Post by mEmE on Sept 15, 2016 21:44:44 GMT -5
I would have supported DoveXBumble of the Erin's didn't destroy his character. I was hoping for Bumble to be the Thurshpeky in this relationship
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Post by Sand-CAT128 on Sept 16, 2016 3:10:26 GMT -5
hated both, and ashfur should be in DF, and dumble should piss off
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Post by theRavenflight on Sept 16, 2016 12:43:15 GMT -5
I might have shipped Ash x Squirrel for a second because I was so tired of Brambleclaw fighting with her, I thought their silent treatment was petty and I was like "go Ashfur for putting yourself out there".
But I've always hated Bumble X Dove. She has no feelings for him whatsoever, it's completely unrequited and won't go anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 15:45:32 GMT -5
It's rather ironic...their username, yet they're defending Ashfur. If Ashfur were still alive, I have no doubt he'd try to kill Sparkpelt and Alderheart. That's okay |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 15:46:44 GMT -5
You know, I'm interesting and in hearing about why Ashfur and Squirrelflight should be together. Their fans are very few and far in between now and days. But Alder, please no sexist comments, they aren't necessary. I'm not being sexist, stop making assumptions |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 16:55:08 GMT -5
You know, I'm interesting and in hearing about why Ashfur and Squirrelflight should be together. Their fans are very few and far in between now and days. But Alder, please no sexist comments, they aren't necessary. I'm not being sexist, stop making assumptions I'm sorry, if that was not your intent. But try to be clearer with your statements so we understand better. |
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Post by Arcticmist on Sept 25, 2016 10:56:54 GMT -5
As it was said before, there used to be shippers. I don't really remember what happened to AshXSquirrel. However, IvyXBumble was a HUGE ship for quite some time, and when Dumble happened most of the support for it was drowned out by the angry ranting.
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Post by Cheyenne on Sept 26, 2016 16:12:24 GMT -5
I ship Ash x Flight because it was cute until Ashfur ruined it...
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