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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 12, 2016 21:39:18 GMT -5
Ashfur x Squirrelflight and Bumblestripe x Dovewing. I'm curious (and bored), but does anyone legitimately ship either of these pairings? And if so, why?
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Post by Jaysnow on Sept 12, 2016 22:00:32 GMT -5
Dumble...why would anyone ship Dumble....
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 12, 2016 23:03:24 GMT -5
I lowkey shipped Bumble and Dove, but I think that was because Bumblestripe was just being an adorable cinnamon roll when he was trying to impress her and spend time w/ her.
But after a bit more reading, I felt like Dovewing wasn't ready for a relationship with him and honestly, that's not a bad thing. I didn't like the way she handled their relationship though, being mates with him just because he's Thunderclan and to get over Tigerheart. Yeah...that's not ok. Being the rebound sucks.
So yeah, I stopped shipping it because Dovewing kind of ruined the ship for me, and I don't like seeing half-hearted or entirely one-sided long-term relationships.
But I still love Bumble, and I hope he finds a great she-cat.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Sept 12, 2016 23:05:35 GMT -5
I never shipped either. Probably because I have always had a thing for Tigerstar's family for some reason.
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Post by Cloudshadow on Sept 13, 2016 3:02:29 GMT -5
I liked Dumble and I'm sad it didn't work out but I know it's for the best. I also don't mind DovexTiger either. Speaking of, does DovexTiger have a couple name?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 13, 2016 4:57:17 GMT -5
I dislike both, they're uncomfortable.
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Post by pastelpills on Sept 13, 2016 7:39:01 GMT -5
I ship BumbleXDove but now I feel like I'm turning my ship in TigerXDove direction
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 10:17:13 GMT -5
I feel like I could have shipped AshXSquirrel if Ash had gotten over their breakup, became an even more loyal and confident warrior, served his clan well, and stayed friends with Squirrelflight. And when she and Bramblestar broke up, he'd once again be there for her to support her and be a close friend to confide in. And if she still wanted to wait for Bramblestar to forgive her, he'd be ok with it.
So I guess I would have never shipped them romantically, but I would have loved them to be very close friends.
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Post by Leonard on Sept 13, 2016 10:39:50 GMT -5
I ship Dove x Bumble. I think they were cute together and mixed well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 14:12:42 GMT -5
I ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight. He was super sweet with her and wanted to protect her. He's a true gentleman ans taught Lionblaze pretty well. Until he died of course. |
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 13, 2016 14:13:08 GMT -5
I ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight. He is super sweet with her! As well as overprotective and pretty much snapped after she rejected him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 14:14:08 GMT -5
I ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight. He is super sweet with her! As well as overprotective and pretty much snapped after she rejected him. Well, she betrayed him first |
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Post by Winterstorm on Sept 13, 2016 14:31:37 GMT -5
As well as overprotective and pretty much snapped after she rejected him. Well, she betrayed him first Saying no to be mates is not betraying. She still wanted to be friends. |
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Sootfeather
Now a BNHA addict. Mina Ashido is the best girl and I will fight you all on that.
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Post by Sootfeather on Sept 13, 2016 15:00:05 GMT -5
As well as overprotective and pretty much snapped after she rejected him. Well, she betrayed him first *snaps into debate mode while turning on Spear of Justice* Ashfur is a terrible cat with no respect or concern for Squirrelflight and her freedom. He would've protected Squirrelflight with his life and fought her battles for her as if she was helpless like a kit, but Squirrelflight is fiery and passionate. If there was a battle that had to be fought, she'd fight it alone, and Bramblestar would let her do that. Ashfur also tried to do ANYTHING to force Squirrelflight to be his mate, from lumping Brambleclaw in with Tigerstar even though he's constantly proved himself to be different, Stating that Leafpool, Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw all conceived a plot to make Brambleclaw deputy, attempted to murder her "son" twice during training, attempting to murder her "kits" during a fire, and even spilling a secret that had absolutely nothing to do with her. *drops mic* |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:04:33 GMT -5
Well, she betrayed him first *snaps into debate mode while turning on Spear of Justice* Ashfur is a terrible cat with no respect or concern for Squirrelflight and her freedom. He would've protected Suirrelflight with his life and fought her battles for her as if she was helpless like a kit, but Squirrelflight is fiery and passionate. If there was a battle that had to be fought, she'd fight it alone, and Bramblestar would let her do that. Ashfur also tried to do ANYTHING to force Squirrelflight to be his mate, from lumping Brambleclaw in with Tigerstar even though he's constantly proved himself to be different, Stating that Leafpool, Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw all conceived a plot to make Brambleclaw deputy, attempted to murder her "son" twice during training, attempting to murder her "kits" during a fire, and even spilling a secret that had absolutely nothing to do with her. *drops mic* Ashfur wouldnt have turned evil if Squirrelflight just let him have his way. Squirrelflight is a woman and the clan leader's daughter, of course he'd want to defend her. And Ashfur had justifyable reasons to go on these rampages. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:05:27 GMT -5
Well, she betrayed him first Saying no to be mates is not betraying. She still wanted to be friends. She still left him. |
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Post by Winterstorm on Sept 13, 2016 15:06:46 GMT -5
Saying no to be mates is not betraying. She still wanted to be friends. She still left him. How could she left him. When they where not even mates. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:08:44 GMT -5
How could she left him. When they where not even mates. She left him to suffer for Brambleclaw. |
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 13, 2016 15:10:19 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed Ashfur's character, overall. It was interesting to read about. Plus it was a nice plot twist that was probably the better portion of PoT. I honestly do feel bad for him. I just wish that he had been able to move on instead of hold onto that grudge. He was such a good cat, even as an apprentice. I know the Erins mentioned that they just kinda randomly chose Ashfur as the BG character that would be Squirrelflight's rebound, but after re-reading the OG series, I kinda wish they had chosen someone else. The poor thing had his mother slaughtered by dogs so soon after becoming an apprentice, and he still was willing to risk being one of the runners that would lead the dogs away. He was always so dedicated too. Huh, what a shame. Since we're on the topic of Ashfur |
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Sootfeather
Now a BNHA addict. Mina Ashido is the best girl and I will fight you all on that.
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Post by Sootfeather on Sept 13, 2016 15:11:32 GMT -5
*snaps into debate mode while turning on Spear of Justice* Ashfur is a terrible cat with no respect or concern for Squirrelflight and her freedom. He would've protected Suirrelflight with his life and fought her battles for her as if she was helpless like a kit, but Squirrelflight is fiery and passionate. If there was a battle that had to be fought, she'd fight it alone, and Bramblestar would let her do that. Ashfur also tried to do ANYTHING to force Squirrelflight to be his mate, from lumping Brambleclaw in with Tigerstar even though he's constantly proved himself to be different, Stating that Leafpool, Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw all conceived a plot to make Brambleclaw deputy, attempted to murder her "son" twice during training, attempting to murder her "kits" during a fire, and even spilling a secret that had absolutely nothing to do with her. *drops mic* Ashfur wouldnt have turned evil if Squirrelflight just let him have his way. Squirrelflight is a woman and the clan leader's daughter, of course he'd want to defend her. And Ashfur had justifyable reasons to go on these rampages. "Justifiable" Not in the slightest. None of those things can be slightly justifiable. Also, just because he wouldn't have turned evil doesn't mean he should be excused for his actions. If Squirrelflight was his mate, then she would be miserable. Alao I don't wanna be that guy, but saying that Squirrelflight is a woman and implying that she needed defense if kinda sexist. Alao nobody pulled punches of Leafpool, who's a Clan Leader's daughter and a woman. |
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 13, 2016 15:12:00 GMT -5
@alder: So, doing all those horrible things to Squirrelflight, including trying to get her father killed, just because she rejected him is justifiable? And I'm sorry, but saying that of course Ashfur would defend her because she was a female and the Clan leader's daughter comes off as a little sexist to me. If that wasn't your intention, then I apologize, but please choose your words carefully. Squirrelflight can take care of herself. In fact, most of the she-cats in the Clan can.
And Squirrelflight was never even mates with Ashfur to begin with. She wanted a friend after her break up with Brambleclaw, not a lover. Just because she rejected him doesn't mean she betrayed him. And even if this were the case, nothing should excuse murder, let alone attempted murder.
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Post by Winterstorm on Sept 13, 2016 15:12:18 GMT -5
How could she left him. When they where not even mates. She left him to suffer for Brambleclaw. So your that she should force herself to love him? Instead of being happy with the cat she loved. Also she didn't left him. She tried to keep her freindship with him. But he ignored her. And gave her the cold shoulder. |
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Sootfeather
Now a BNHA addict. Mina Ashido is the best girl and I will fight you all on that.
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Post by Sootfeather on Sept 13, 2016 15:13:15 GMT -5
How could she left him. When they where not even mates. She left him to suffer for Brambleclaw. Ashfur let himself suffer. I don't wanna be that guy, but take Thrushpelt for example of what Ashfur could've been. He could've learned to deal with it and get over it and try to support her, not put her in misery for rejecting him. |
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 13, 2016 15:15:40 GMT -5
Also I think Ashfur and Squirrelflight is a prime example of how important it is to clarify intentions in a relationship.
I've seen a lot of issues with this IRL with my friends and their relationships and when they look back they always mention how they felt like they should've stated what they were looking for in the relationship and how far they intended to go.
Ashfur should've been straightforward with Squirrelflight and expressed his interest in becoming her mate earlier on, since she wasn't really looking into the meaning of his actions.
Squirrelflight should've been a bit more straight up about not looking for a relationship yet due to her obvious conflict with Brambleclaw, in addition to perhaps being a bit more sensitive to Ashfur's actions.
Not saying anything good or bad about the ship, but I just feel like, in general, this is something we should all take from their relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 15:16:59 GMT -5
I'm in tears! lol. this better be a troll because what Alderheart said was so sexist! it's a troll right? |
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Post by Winterstorm on Sept 13, 2016 15:18:17 GMT -5
I'm in tears! lol. this better be a troll because what Alderheart said was so sexist! it's a troll right? I really hope they are. |
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 13, 2016 15:20:10 GMT -5
Also I think Ashfur and Squirrelflight is a prime example of how important it is to clarify intentions in a relationship. I've seen a lot of issues with this IRL with my friends and their relationships and when they look back they always mention how they felt like they should've stated what they were looking for in the relationship and how far they intended to go. Ashfur should've been straightforward with Squirrelflight and expressed his interest in becoming her mate earlier on, since she wasn't really looking into the meaning of his actions. Squirrelflight should've been a bit more straight up about not looking for a relationship yet due to her obvious conflict with Brambleclaw, in addition to perhaps being a bit more sensitive to Ashfur's actions. Not saying anything good or bad about the ship, but I just feel like, in general, this is something we should all take from their relationship. Squirrelflight actually was aware of Ashfur's feelings though and thought about being his mate at least once or twice, but didn't want to start anything just yet until she was completely sure of her feelings. I do agree though. Much as I dislike AshxSquirrel, I do agree it does teach a lesson in clarifying intentions in a relationship. Some other pairings do this, too. |
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 13, 2016 15:20:12 GMT -5
Well, I think we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Alder's argument/POV. Just because he views the incident differently doesn't mean he's a troll.
That's why this thread allows for conversation and debate, so we can explain our perspectives and interpretation.
We shouldn't be so quick to dismiss someone else's explanation just because it may or may not differ from our own.
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