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Post by Slightdapple on Mar 14, 2024 21:13:15 GMT -5
Tigerstar 1, because of his greed for power.
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Post by Violet6Echoes on Mar 14, 2024 22:56:00 GMT -5
Tigerstar the first, ALL THE WAY. He is the definition of greed. He kept on winning but his greed led him to keep trying to get more and more till his own plan backfired. There is no warrior cat that is more fitting for greed than him.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 15, 2024 10:53:53 GMT -5
Tigerstar I 100%. His greed for power led him on the path of murder and eventually towards his own downfall.
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Post by Katanaheart on Mar 15, 2024 11:14:36 GMT -5
And the forums ate my post, great. :/
Anyway, for a less descriptive and cool response. Tigerstar I, especially with his leadership ceremony coming to mind. He mocks the idea of mercy and some of his other lives, desiring virtues he already carry’s such as courage. He wants to hoard virtues that he already has. (Not to mention how his ambitions did not cease once he became leader of one clan and then two. He wanted all four and it was this greedy ambition that then led to his death.)
As for honorary greed candidates, Darktail and Hawkfrost also come to mind. The former as he succeeded in trouncing three Clans and even stayed in SkyClan’s gorge until he received news of where the other Clans had gone. (From a hoarding standpoint, Darktail sort of just sits around, casually murdering ShadowClan cats instead of attacking the other Clans. Which logically from the Kin’s half of the lake would have meant either attacking dad or Leafstar’s Clans next.) Hawkfrost due to his similar ambition to his father but he doesn’t get to accomplish much. Hawkfrost May end up being more Pride or Sloth here as he doesn’t really come across as Envy and certainly not Lust. (The true Envy lady is also labeled with Wrath so I’m uncertain as to who I’ll even consider for Envy later on.)
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Post by moongloweevee on Mar 15, 2024 11:46:12 GMT -5
If we're talking about territory greed, I'm surprised no one has nominated Clear Sky (Skystar). So I guess I nominate him for greed
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Post by Wolfyy- on Mar 15, 2024 11:47:23 GMT -5
CLEARRRR SKYYYY
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Post by oakflower on Mar 16, 2024 9:09:48 GMT -5
Clear Sky. At least Tigerstar cared for his family
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Post by Katanaheart on Mar 16, 2024 9:21:43 GMT -5
I don’t have further information since I’m still reading Shadow but Curlfeather potentially could have been a good candidate for Greed.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 16, 2024 9:31:55 GMT -5
Tigerstar.
Clear Sky's greed was moreso a coping mechanism for his deep-seated fear rather than truly just being about wanting more and more for its own sake. Tigerstar just wanted as much power as he could possibly amass and was never satisfied with any level of it.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 16, 2024 10:14:03 GMT -5
Clear Sky. At least Tigerstar cared for his family Did he though? Don't get me wrong, I love this dude (he's my second favorite character, right after Firestar), but while this might've been true to an extent during TPB, it's pretty clear that he ultimately only cared about his kits if they were useful to him. And his relationship with his two mates (more prominently Sasha though) also wasn't great. The only genuinely good relationship he had was with his mother Leopardfoot, and that was during his kithood. Back to his kits though, he was friendly towards his first litter for most of their interactions in TPB but immediately turned on Bramblepaw when he rejected his offer of joining him. Then in TNP, he used his sons in an effort to continue his plans, called his daughter Mothwing weak for choosing to be a medicine cat and turned on his other daughter Tawnypelt when she rejected his proposal of training with him. And finally in OotS, he congratulated Brambleclaw for killing Hawkfrost a second time even though he had been the only one of his kits to stay loyal towards him during their shared afterlife in the Dark Forest. To me, all of these instances read as a very twisted way of caring about anyone, let alone his own offspring. And also, on the topic of caring for family, for all of his many, MANY faults (I personally still despise him), Clear Sky/Skystar can be argued to care about his family when looking at the books. Of course, his relationship with his brothers Gray Wing and Jagged Peak as well as his son Thunder was anything but great. But he is shown to actually care about his second litter of kits as well as there being the fact that the updated Ultimate Guide from last year revealed that he lost his last life by sacrificing himself to save his granddaughter Feather Ear from dogs who attacked during a Gathering.
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Post by Katanaheart on Mar 16, 2024 11:02:46 GMT -5
Clear Sky. At least Tigerstar cared for his family Did he though? Don't get me wrong, I love this dude (he's my second favorite character, right after Firestar), but while this might've been true to an extent during TPB, it's pretty clear that he ultimately only cared about his kits if they were useful to him. And his relationship with his two mates (more prominently Sasha though) also wasn't great. The only genuinely good relationship he had was with his mother Leopardfoot, and that was during his kithood. Back to his kits though, he was friendly towards his first litter for most of their interactions in TPB but immediately turned on Bramblepaw when he rejected his offer of joining him. Then in TNP, he used his sons in an effort to continue his plans, called his daughter Mothwing weak for choosing to be a medicine cat and turned on his other daughter Tawnypelt when she rejected his proposal of training with him. And finally in OotS, he congratulated Brambleclaw for killing Hawkfrost a second time even though he had been the only one of his kits to stay loyal towards him during their shared afterlife in the Dark Forest. To me, all of these instances read as a very twisted way of caring about anyone, let alone his own offspring. And also, on the topic of caring for family, for all of his many, MANY faults (I personally still despise him), Clear Sky/Skystar can be argued to care about his family when looking at the books. Of course, his relationship with his brothers Gray Wing and Jagged Peak as well as his son Thunder was anything but great. But he is shown to actually care about his second litter of kits as well as there being the fact that the updated Ultimate Guide from last year revealed that he lost his last life by sacrificing himself to save his granddaughter Feather Ear from dogs who attacked during a Gathering. To add further onto the fact that Clear Sky is a much more caring cat than Tigerstar I ever was. He is mentioned to also treat Honey Pelt, one of Moth Flight’s sons, like one of his own. Something Tigerstar I would never do unless it was related to personal gain with the use of heavy manipulation. (Lionpaw)
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 16, 2024 19:00:29 GMT -5
Surprised that y’all want Skystar for Greed and not Lust considering he’s knocked up three separate cats, one of which was his son’s love interest 😭 he really is foul. I don't disagree though I think Ashfur is the better contender for lust. Lust is one of Ashfur's driving characteristics as it is.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Mar 16, 2024 19:18:58 GMT -5
Tigerstar would make a good greed, but he would also make a good envy, considering he was always envious of Bluestar's treatment of Firestar.
If I'm remembering that correctly...
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Post by Pixie on Mar 16, 2024 19:30:58 GMT -5
Surprised that y’all want Skystar for Greed and not Lust considering he’s knocked up three separate cats, one of which was his son’s love interest 😭 he really is foul. I don't disagree though I think Ashfur is the better contender for lust. Lust is one of Ashfur's driving characteristics as it is. Fair enough lol
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 16, 2024 19:57:29 GMT -5
The entire point of Skystar's character was that he wasn't greedy, he was paranoid. Most of the terrible things he's done is largely fueled by his grief as well as his desire to make sure no one dies like in the Tribe or during the journey, only to make things much worse in the process as he makes reckless decision after reckless decision, logic be damned. He simultaneously cares too much and not enough. The only time I can understand him being called such is during RH, where he's (unfortunately and annoyingly) once again an antagonist, but this time, it's apparently without rhyme or reason and the only excuse he gives is that he thinks StarClan gave SkyClan access to RiverClan land.
As for Tigerstar, he definitely fits Greed more, I don't think I need to delve into why.
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Post by moongloweevee on Mar 18, 2024 6:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by ! (Ġray) ! on Mar 18, 2024 6:39:42 GMT -5
Tigerstar because of that fic i read back in 2021 that made me realise this site existed
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 18, 2024 7:28:43 GMT -5
LOCK IT NOW, QUICK! While Tigerstar is finally ahead by two votes (as he should be)!
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Post by moongloweevee on Mar 18, 2024 8:14:52 GMT -5
I'm about to change my vote so it doesn't get tied up again
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 18, 2024 12:15:19 GMT -5
Locking the poll with Tigerstar (OG) as the winner. I will make a new thread for the next sin when I get home. Thank StarClan he won, that was a close one!
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Post by moongloweevee on Mar 18, 2024 12:36:13 GMT -5
GG to Tigerstar
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