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Post by -Brightheart86 on Mar 14, 2024 17:16:10 GMT -5
I'd say Ashfur because he loved Squirrelflight and now he wants to kinda kill her.
Brokenstar was bad enough, but other cats worked with him, and in the end he was technically just working for Tigerstar.
And then Tigerstar, he did bad deeds because he thought having one big clan would make life easier. And besides- he loved his kits still, even if he did in the end use them for his work.
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Post by User33 on Mar 14, 2024 18:23:54 GMT -5
Brokenstar and Ashfur are tied for me. So I won't vote. Both are pretty much pure evil with no redeemable features (Except Brokenstar has a cool name /s)
"Brokenstar is worse! He killed kits!" Yeah, and guess what Ashfur was doing to StarClan's and the Dark Forest's territories. How many kits in StarClan alone would have been affected and died? What happens to the cats in StarClan had Ashfur won? It ain't pretty.
"Ashfur is worse! He was willing to kill everybody. Clans, Dark Forest, and StarClan!" Brokenstar was a glutton for power and rallied most of the Dark Forest to wage war with the Clans for complete eradication. Brokenstar was effectively killing his own clan in the first arc. Do you think just because he died to Death Berries means he is a better leader?
Both are evil so Im having trouble just voting one.
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Post by -Brightheart86 on Mar 14, 2024 18:42:14 GMT -5
Lol))
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Post by -Brightheart86 on Mar 14, 2024 19:25:08 GMT -5
5 votes for Ashfur lol.
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Post by Slightdapple on Mar 14, 2024 20:54:01 GMT -5
Ashfur, he literally tried to destroy all of StarClan and DF. Brokenstar was pretty bad too though.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Mar 15, 2024 3:18:01 GMT -5
Brokenstar and Ashfur are tied for me. Brokenstar got kids killed. Ashfur was willing to destroy the afterlife just to control Squirrelflight. He didn't actually end up doing it so that's why hes tied for me, cause this is about what they actually did
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Mar 15, 2024 6:11:49 GMT -5
Ashfur is the most mentally evil character. Sure, he hasn’t done as many evil deeds as Tigerstar, but at least he cared for his kits and had reasoning that “made sense” like thanos.
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Post by Moonblazer on Mar 15, 2024 7:48:21 GMT -5
Brokenstar
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Post by oakflower on Mar 15, 2024 12:45:21 GMT -5
Brokenstar and Ashfur are tied for me. So I won't vote. Both are pretty much pure evil with no redeemable features (Except Brokenstar has a cool name /s) "Brokenstar is worse! He killed kits!" Yeah, and guess what Ashfur was doing to StarClan's and the Dark Forest's territories. How many kits in StarClan alone would have been affected and died? What happens to the cats in StarClan had Ashfur won? It ain't pretty. "Ashfur is worse! He was willing to kill everybody. Clans, Dark Forest, and StarClan!" Brokenstar was a glutton for power and rallied most of the Dark Forest to wage war with the Clans for complete eradication. Brokenstar was effectively killing his own clan in the first arc. Do you think just because he died to Death Berries means he is a better leader? Both are evil so Im having trouble just voting one. I totally agree, these are the worst villains to me along with Scourge (I hate him because he killed Tigerstar, who is basically my favorite character). And Brokenstar exiled Yellowfang from ShadowClan !! I mean, it was his mother !! I know that Brokenstar didn’t know that she was his mother, but it’s still mean to exile a cat, especially a medicine cat, from your own Clan !
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 15, 2024 14:32:39 GMT -5
After TBC, definitely Ashfur. Brokenstar is evil, no denying, but to me the fact that he's inherently "born evil" takes away from his agency as a character. Ashfur on the other hand, we get to see his development into an omnicidal incel and he's the one making these decisions for himself, not influenced by some omnipotent force that he needs to be evil. It also helps we interact with him more and can more firmly analyze him.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 15, 2024 16:14:47 GMT -5
The yandere dude. Ashfur went all incel on Squirrelstar and her family only because she dared to reject him and he decided to take it personal instead of doing the healthy thing by accepting it to eventually move on. He really ultimately decided to try and destroy the Clans, StarClan and the Dark Forest all because the girl he liked chose someone else over him. Boohoo, he should've cried a river, build a bridge and got over it!
Brokenstar and Tigerstar I are evil as well, of course. And even did some way worse things than Ashfur (killing kits, apprentices, queens and elders) But Ashfur is on a different level when it comes to his motivations for sure.
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Post by -Brightheart86 on Mar 15, 2024 17:58:12 GMT -5
No one is voting for Tigerstar- wow!
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 15, 2024 23:39:39 GMT -5
Brokenstar. At least Ashfur was entertaining. Overall I think the worst villain is easily Slash anyways.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Mar 16, 2024 21:05:45 GMT -5
Brokenstar. At least Ashfur was entertaining. Overall I think the worst villain is easily Slash anyways. This is in terms of evil deeds, like worst morally not worst in quality of their character
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 17, 2024 8:52:02 GMT -5
Brokenstar. At least Ashfur was entertaining. Overall I think the worst villain is easily Slash anyways. This is in terms of evil deeds, like worst morally not worst in quality of their character Ah if that's the case, still Brokenstar for me. I don't think Ashfur ever upgraded to child soldier or kit killer, which on it's own is very dark. I think in terms of horror material, Ashfur, but shock value and horribly immoral evil deeds, it's still Brokenstar. However, I do think that Ashfur is better written, because Brokenstar's only agency is that he's literally born evil...
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Mar 18, 2024 0:24:48 GMT -5
Brokenstar. Nothing outranks kit killers imho
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Mar 18, 2024 5:57:05 GMT -5
This is in terms of evil deeds, like worst morally not worst in quality of their character Ah if that's the case, still Brokenstar for me. I don't think Ashfur ever upgraded to child soldier or kit killer, which on it's own is very dark. I think in terms of horror material, Ashfur, but shock value and horribly immoral evil deeds, it's still Brokenstar. However, I do think that Ashfur is better written, because Brokenstar's only agency is that he's literally born evil... I agree completely. I hated the "born evil" thing. They had the perfect opportunity with making it the circumstances of his upbringing instead of being born that way. No child should have to be a "curse" sent from heaven and Yellowfang definitely didn't deserve it. His spiral into what he became should've put shame on the medicine cat code and the faith they had in StarClan, not support it.
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Post by forcepaw on Mar 20, 2024 13:53:09 GMT -5
This is in terms of evil deeds, like worst morally not worst in quality of their character Ah if that's the case, still Brokenstar for me. I don't think Ashfur ever upgraded to child soldier or kit killer, which on it's own is very dark. I think in terms of horror material, Ashfur, but shock value and horribly immoral evil deeds, it's still Brokenstar. However, I do think that Ashfur is better written, because Brokenstar's only agency is that he's literally born evil... not quite, him being evil is an contradictary and if we look into his character we can see his motives. i think that he abused kits and such because they had kind loving family (which he did not have). He also didn’t really have anyone to teach him morals, his father just gave him anything he wanted and Nightstar was old and had breathing problems so broken didn’t really spend as much time with him as a mentor n app should. He was also constantly teased for being with the med cat (the other apps saw it as being soft i assume) which could be why he is so aggressive and why his biggest fear is lack of respect (i got this from the wiki)
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Post by mintyfang1840 on Mar 21, 2024 20:05:19 GMT -5
Ashfur had the worst reason. Imagine being told in starclan that you and your family died because a loser got dumped by his crush. But I still voted for Brokenstar cause he indisputably committed worse deeds
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Post by Nettle on Mar 21, 2024 21:18:42 GMT -5
I don't see how Ashfur is leading and Tigerstar is third. Come on, this guy killed countless lives for power, and minus the whole "my father left me to be a kittypet and now I forever hate kittypets" there was no trauma that forced him into this evil phase. Ashfur on the other hand had this "I did it for love" thing which is honestly just so stupid in my opinion. And brokenstar... I just don't care for him.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 21, 2024 21:20:34 GMT -5
Ashfur by far. He essentially tried to destroy the universe just to get back at (and with) Squirrelflight.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 21, 2024 21:26:00 GMT -5
Ashfur on the other hand had this "I did it for love" thing which is honestly just so stupid in my opinion. It might be stupid, but it's also unfortunately realistic, which just adds onto the creep factor. There's a reason why the yandere is such a common trope in media. As for his actions alone, to be fair, not only did he nearly destroy everything, but even while he was alive, he nearly killed three cats and contributed in a plot that succeeded in taking one of Firestar's lives.
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Post by Nettle on Mar 21, 2024 21:31:55 GMT -5
Ashfur on the other hand had this "I did it for love" thing which is honestly just so stupid in my opinion. It might be stupid, but it's also unfortunately realistic, which just adds onto the creep factor. There's a reason why the yandere is such a common trope in media. As for his actions alone, to be fair, not only did he nearly destroy everything, but even while he was alive, he nearly killed three cats and contributed in a plot that succeeded in taking one of Firestar's lives. It just seems so bland and realistic. Honestly, I just hate 'love villains' because they're so boring and have no interesting motivation.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 21, 2024 22:50:03 GMT -5
It might be stupid, but it's also unfortunately realistic, which just adds onto the creep factor. There's a reason why the yandere is such a common trope in media. As for his actions alone, to be fair, not only did he nearly destroy everything, but even while he was alive, he nearly killed three cats and contributed in a plot that succeeded in taking one of Firestar's lives. It just seems so bland and realistic. Honestly, I just hate 'love villains' because they're so boring and have no interesting motivation. Honestly, this is how I feel about Tigerstar and, to an extent, Brokenstar. Ashfur at least had a motivation, but Tigerstar especially was just evil for the sake of it, and I found Brokenstar to be interesting only after it was revealed he was born to be a punishment for what happened to SkyClan. That said, I understand what you mean about it being boring. It's why I'm glad the Erins only really played with this trope once, unless you count Mapleshade.
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 22, 2024 15:08:27 GMT -5
Ashfur by far. He essentially tried to destroy the universe just to get back at (and with) Squirrelflight. Agreed with this very well put and simple summary of TBC.
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Post by iceheart on Mar 22, 2024 16:47:03 GMT -5
Brokenstar is by far the worst war criminal on here. Bro literally used child soldiers. Ashfur is a pathetic villain, and Tigerstar's pretty close since he did that whole genocide, but I'm going with Brokenstar for his use of child soldiers.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Apr 22, 2024 6:32:33 GMT -5
Saw that this was the oldest thread within a month old so bump
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