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Post by Viperstrike on Feb 25, 2024 15:15:56 GMT -5
What are some things you hate about characters you like? It can be a specific moment, personality trait, whatever.
Firestar - I’ve always hated the scene where he chases Whitethroat to his death.
Gray Wing - The constant defense of Clear Sky.
Alderheart - Thinking positively about Needletail
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Post by Snowfire on Feb 25, 2024 15:30:12 GMT -5
Gray Wing - The constant defense of Clear Sky. This definitely, but also his treatment toward Bumble when she tried seeking refuge from him and his group away from Tom.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 25, 2024 16:55:19 GMT -5
Ivypool- The focus of her character on spying on the Dark Forest when it was made clear that Dovewing could spy harmlessly on them just by closing her eyes. That, and every time Ivypool tried to spy, she would always be singled out and put in situations where she literally could not get any information. So that part of her arc felt kind of pointless.
Rowanstar- The way he’s clearly written to be incompetent as a comparison to Tigerheart, who can do no wrong even though he clearly is making the wrong decisions.
Berrynose- Still choosing to think the imposter was Bramblestar when it was clear by then that it wasn’t Bramblestar. I love Berrynose, but I hated knowing he was yet another deputy as fodder.
Littlecloud- Wasn’t a fan of his lecture in Squirrelflight’s SE, he’s still my favorite cat in the books but bro, we’ve long gotten over Leaf and Squirrel’s stuff, Starclan can chill out.
Tawnypelt- Returning to Shadowclan after what they did to her and Rowanstar, for what? To support your dogwater son who abandoned you anyway? Should have stayed in the mountains with Stormfur tbh, modern Shadowclan is blugh.
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Feb 25, 2024 20:05:25 GMT -5
Tom: The obvious domestic abuse and kidnapping charges against him.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Feb 26, 2024 6:06:02 GMT -5
His boring ass suffix. His only flaw there is nothing else wrong with him. Bro is perfect ^_^
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Post by silverstarpenguin on Feb 26, 2024 10:26:51 GMT -5
Mothwing-she insisted on keeping RC's current situation hidden from the other Clans for way too long; Sparkpelt-she was too hard on Nightheart when all he wanted to was making his own decisions in life; Nightheart-he kept whining about how Sparkpelt abandoned him as an apprentice, although he could've gone with her like Finchpaw(light) did.
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Post by Slightdapple on Feb 26, 2024 11:46:53 GMT -5
Ivypool- Her not being a good spy and the focus of her story seeming pointless. Shadowstar- Her treatment of Bumble.
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Post by valleylight on Feb 26, 2024 12:49:33 GMT -5
Leafpool- Some of her characterization in POT. In particular, the way she tends to dismiss Jayfeather's ideas out of hand, and how she takes her stress out on him by belittling and berating him at times. Also the way she handles Cinderpaw's recovery.
Twigbranch- How her mentoring relationship with Flywhisker was handled.
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 26, 2024 13:07:41 GMT -5
Graystripe: Pretty bad friend to Fireheart in Fire and Ice. Also leaving Squirrelflight when she needed him.
Gray Wing: Constant excusing of Clear Sky and how he treated Bumble.
Shadowstar: Dismissive and unwilling to share power with Gray Wing, hear other ideas from other cats (though she grew out of this), and how she treated Bumble.
Jayfeather: A bit broad, but a lot of his sarcastic and snarky comments border on him just being an ass for the sake of it.
Lionblaze: This is moreso on the fault of Vicky, but his plotline in OotS was really uninteresting and he felt very boring.
Ivypool: Really wasn't a good spy.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 26, 2024 13:28:12 GMT -5
Skystar and his lack of character development immediately comes to mind.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 26, 2024 13:40:11 GMT -5
Skystar and his lack of character development immediately comes to mind. It's funny because if his story ended at POS he would've had amazing character development, but look at how they massacred my boy....
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 26, 2024 14:30:32 GMT -5
Skystar and his lack of character development immediately comes to mind. It's funny because if his story ended at POS he would've had amazing character development, but look at how they massacred my boy.... Seriously! Even with TBS, he's very clearly on the road to redemption, only for the next book to immediately undo that. At least with MFV, his behavior can be explained by his grief since it's already been established he has very unhealthy coping mechanisms, SL has him defend Quick Water after her banishment only after Thunderstar does, and then there's RH, where he's just an antagonist for the sake of it! It's just annoying at this point. And considering we now know he dies saving his kin and even begs to go back, it really does seem like the Erin team just doesn't know what to do with him long-term.
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Post by tollfarok on Feb 26, 2024 15:10:24 GMT -5
Dovewing - being actually pretty annoying at times, and not doing too much for the majority of oofts Star Flower - personality being thrown out to become Clear Sky's mate
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 26, 2024 18:05:34 GMT -5
It's funny because if his story ended at POS he would've had amazing character development, but look at how they massacred my boy.... Seriously! Even with TBS, he's very clearly on the road to redemption, only for the next book to immediately undo that. At least with MFV, his behavior can be explained by his grief since it's already been established he has very unhealthy coping mechanisms, SL has him defend Quick Water after her banishment only after Thunderstar does, and then there's RH, where he's just an antagonist for the sake of it! It's just annoying at this point. And considering we now know he dies saving his kin and even begs to go back, it really does seem like the Erin team just doesn't know what to do with him long-term. It's a coin toss for whether he will be nice guy or asshole in future DOTC-era stories. Plot needs him to be a douchebag, he'll be a douchebag. Plot needs him to be a nice guy, he'll be a nice guy.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Feb 26, 2024 22:10:11 GMT -5
Seriously! Even with TBS, he's very clearly on the road to redemption, only for the next book to immediately undo that. At least with MFV, his behavior can be explained by his grief since it's already been established he has very unhealthy coping mechanisms, SL has him defend Quick Water after her banishment only after Thunderstar does, and then there's RH, where he's just an antagonist for the sake of it! It's just annoying at this point. And considering we now know he dies saving his kin and even begs to go back, it really does seem like the Erin team just doesn't know what to do with him long-term. It's a coin toss for whether he will be nice guy or asshole in future DOTC-era stories. Plot needs him to be a douchebag, he'll be a douchebag. Plot needs him to be a nice guy, he'll be a nice guy. I call this the "Rumplestiltskin effect" (from OUAT). Writing a morally bad character into a redemption arc, only to undo it anytime they need something interesting to happen. Then they have him re-tread all the same lessons he had already learned previously but mysteriously forgot in the name of plot to be redeemed once more. Rinse and repeat as needed.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 26, 2024 22:25:47 GMT -5
It's a coin toss for whether he will be nice guy or asshole in future DOTC-era stories. Plot needs him to be a douchebag, he'll be a douchebag. Plot needs him to be a nice guy, he'll be a nice guy. I call this the "Rumplestiltskin effect" (from OUAT). Writing a morally bad character into a redemption arc, only to undo it anytime they need something interesting to happen. Then they have him re-tread all the same lessons he had already learned previously but mysteriously forgot in the name of plot to be redeemed once more. Rinse and repeat as needed. God, I hated Rumple and Belle's relationship for that exact reason! I think it's partially why I never bothered to actually finish the show. This trope is unfortunately so common that it even has a few pages on TV Tropes!
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Post by iceheart on Feb 27, 2024 23:43:07 GMT -5
Firestar: his dismissive attitude towards Whitestorm/Longtail in TPB when they're like "we're PRETTY sure there's dogs here" and he's like "skill issue" and then is like "ohh you're right"
Leafpool: Not telling Cloudtail that Cinderpaw wasn't ready for her assessment - if she had told Cloudtail and Cloudtail had postponed Cinderpaw's assessment until her leg was stronger, she might not have gotten hurt again
Hollyleaf: her hypocrisy in Dark River when she chastises Lionpaw for meeting with Heatherpaw when she went across the lake to try and help Willowpaw. Squirrelflight was right when she said Hollypaw was arrogant for trying to think she could solve it on her own.
Ivypool: refusing to tell Jayfeather/Lionblaze/Dovewing about the DF trainees until literally forced to
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 29, 2024 21:08:32 GMT -5
Firestar & Graystripe. I'm so sick of characters feeling sorry for Clear Sky.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 1, 2024 7:09:50 GMT -5
Firestar's relationship dynamic with Spottedleaf after she died. It was specifically disrespectful towards his mate Sandstorm in FQ when she showed up to help them and during TLH when Spottedleaf died a second time. She had more than just friendly feelings for him and while he did not directly cheat on Sandstorm, I would argue that there was a bit of emotional cheating going on despite him declaring boundaries off-screen according to Spottedleaf in her short story. Him defending Clear Sky/Skystar in the recent updated guide also was a bs character writing decision, in my opinion.
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Post by < aspenwillow! > on Apr 11, 2024 19:40:44 GMT -5
Graystripe: Pretty bad friend to Fireheart in Fire and Ice. Also leaving Squirrelflight when she needed him. Gray Wing: Constant excusing of Clear Sky and how he treated Bumble. Shadowstar: Dismissive and unwilling to share power with Gray Wing, hear other ideas from other cats (though she grew out of this), and how she treated Bumble. Jayfeather: A bit broad, but a lot of his sarcastic and snarky comments border on him just being an ass for the sake of it. Lionblaze: This is moreso on the fault of Vicky, but his plotline in OotS was really uninteresting and he felt very boring. Ivypool: Really wasn't a good spy. I totally agree with the Lionblaze & Jayfeather one. In PoT Jayfeather was pretty interesting, now he's more a backround character whos entire personality is being sarcastic & rude. Meanwhile sometimes it feels like Lionblaze isn't there, and I personally hate when main characters fade into backround characters so this especially gets on my nerves.
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Post by کیوان on Apr 11, 2024 19:56:23 GMT -5
Gray Wing - not holding his brother accountable, taking shots at Bumble, and not investing enough time into Turtle Tail
Brambleclaw - following the will of the plot in AVoS
Firestar - Being too strict on Bramblepaw
Hollyleaf - "Rules for thee, but not for me", telling the ugly truth to the Clans, going after Leafpool
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Post by wygolvillage on Apr 11, 2024 20:30:30 GMT -5
Two things for Bristlefrost- I critique because I love her and I think about her always. -Very little buildup for her relationship with Rootspring. Although I think their romance was pretty well developed and cute I agree that her reciprocating came out of nowhere.. Pretty easy to do this though, just kind of retool pre-existing scenes to have more of a "it's not like I LIKE him or anything... or do I?" vibe. I think this was mostly a victim of the books having multiple authors if I had to guess? So they needed to get from point A to point B but one of them forgot to get on the train so we end up teleporting to the other station without warning (God, that's an awful metaphor.) -Barely any Shadowsight interactions which feels especially egregious since they're cousins, have so many parallels wrt how Ashfur treated them, and she died to save him? I'd give her a pre-existing friendship with Shadowsight, maybe they get along at gatherings and began talking because they knew they were related and wanted to know more about their extended family... Also this is just self-indulgent and fanficcy but I would have LOVED to see Shadowsight mention/discuss his near-drowning in AVOS to Bristlefrost in a way that foreshadows her eventual death... Really tie that water motif the TBC trio has together? I think having Shadowsight and Bristlefrost gradually be able to talk to each other less and less due to the control of the Impostor and have the two feel steadily more isolated (as well as the irony that getting to discuss their similar experiences being manipulated by Ashfur would have offered them solace that they both needed) would be a really cool throughline as well as kind of parallel with how Bristlefrost and Rootspring are emotionally seperated by clan borders and make it kind of a motif for her character arc. And it would have given that weird bit with Ashfur trying to goad Shadowsight into killing Bristlefrost in the final battle a LOT of punch! Plus Shadowsight blaming himself for Bris's death!!! I dunno I think they could have done SO MUCH with Bris & Shadow's familial relationship and the fact that they barely interact at all is a CRIME
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Post by cygna on Apr 11, 2024 20:53:27 GMT -5
Yellowfang - Almost everything she does in StarClan.
Graystripe - Doing nothing to comfort Briarlight post-Injury & not giving Blossomfall the love and guidance she needed from a parent when she was clearly in a bad mental state.
Cloudtail, Bightheart, Brackenfur, & Sorreltail - They RUINED ThunderClan's genetic diversity. (I blame Lionblaze & Cinderheart too but I don't even like them)
Mapleshade - The fact she didn't kill Oakstar when that jerk deserved it more than anyone she actually killed.
Hawkfrost - Because he's wasted potential in canon. He's one of my faves because I love the fanon interpretations.
Flipclaw - Wanted to have kits with his aunt.
Ivypool, Hawkwing, Lilyheart, & Fernsong - Had kits with their close cousins.
Crowfeather - For not choosing Feathertail in StarClan (there's a chance to change this when he actually dies but I fear the writing team isn't pro-FeatherCrow).
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 12, 2024 2:47:27 GMT -5
</div>Welcome to the forums! Please try to avoid posting on threads that have not been posted on in over a month or longer as that is considered necroposting and against forum rules/guidelines. Sand Please lock this thread. Edit: Not exactly sure why the comment vanished (or the coding part) since I just quoted it like normal. Might be a glitch or bug...
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Post by کیوان on Apr 12, 2024 7:05:39 GMT -5
Bruh, how did I not catch the dates? Ah well, Sand will make quick work of this thread
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Post by Sand on Apr 12, 2024 9:46:52 GMT -5
psst, Mint beat me to it hours ago!
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