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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 21, 2024 9:17:08 GMT -5
So I remember back when the arc first started how everyone accused Frostpaw of being a camera, and though I've honestly come to hate that term when referring to passive protagonists... does anyone get this feeling from Nightheart and/or Sunbeam, even just a little? I don't know, these two have just felt so disconnected from the main plot up until only recently that it really feels like the Erin team couldn't decide what to focus on next, so they just mashed two completely different storylines together (hell, at least Nightheart and Frostpaw actually interacted all throughout the last book).
Of course, there's still the Berryheart and Splashtail thing and how that'll play out, but trying to tie things together this far into the arc seems like too late. Say what you want about TBC, but at least the focus was on defeating Ashfur all throughout.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 21, 2024 10:55:20 GMT -5
Nightheart was my favorite ASC protagonist when the arc first started. But while I still like him as a character (even though I perfectly understand why others don't), it does feel like his problems were not only resolved the fastest but there really was also an overall disconnect between his remaining story with Sunbeam and the overarching arc plot that Frostpaw is involved in.
But now that he went on the quest with Frostpaw as well as him being tasked to look after Waffle and Wasp, I do think that he's getting more involved in the bigger picture this arc is trying to paint. Hopefully, he'll accompany Sunbeam when she goes looking for Berryheart, Sparrowtail and Hollowspring so that he'll be more involved there as well (and it would also fit since him and Berryheart do have a not so great history together from his short time in ShadowClan). Although I sadly doubt that Berryheart will still play a big part in the rest of the arc at this point. The RiverClan conspiracy plot truly is the star of the show in this arc for sure.
That being said, I was initially one of the people who thought Frostpaw gave off camera vibes in the first ASC book but it's safe to say that I've changed my mind since then and she's now my fav ASC PoV lol. In my opinion, Frostpaw definitely could've carried this arc on her own (that poor gal).
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Post by NightFrostSun on Feb 21, 2024 13:49:16 GMT -5
I personally love all three pov characters. This arc is tied with Pot as my favorite arc.
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Post by iceheart on Feb 21, 2024 13:51:22 GMT -5
Lol, who said that? Nightheart and Sunbeam are cameras - Nightheart especially for Book 4 of Thunder. Frostpaw is the only character whose arc ties with the major issue of ASC - RiverClan has no leader. She's the only one actively contributing to the overarching plot line. If you removed Sunbeam and Nightheart's POVs - just edit the books and take theirs out - virtually nothing of this arc would change.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 21, 2024 16:22:02 GMT -5
Lol, who said that? Nightheart and Sunbeam are cameras - Nightheart especially for Book 4 of Thunder. Frostpaw is the only character whose arc ties with the major issue of ASC - RiverClan has no leader. She's the only one actively contributing to the overarching plot line. If you removed Sunbeam and Nightheart's POVs - just edit the books and take theirs out - virtually nothing of this arc would change. Yeah, I don't think it happens alot now, but back when the arc was first starting, Frostpaw was seen as a camera by quite a few people and I never understood why, especially since the RiverClan conflict is clearly the main issue here. I remember Bristlefrost being accused of being a camera as well, but in general, it just seems to be shorthand for any passive/soft character and I hate it. Meanwhile, it's been four books now and Nightheart and Sunbeam have barely been involved in the main plot. Maybe that'll change in the last two books of the arc... but we're at the last two books of the arc! Either it should've been RiverClan only—Frostpaw even already has two littermates if there absolutely had to be three PoVs again—or Nightheart and Sunbeam should've somehow gotten involved much sooner, especially since ShadowClan had been occupying RiverClan until only recently.
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Post by pigeoncloud on Feb 21, 2024 16:43:14 GMT -5
I think Nightheart and Sunbeam will definitely get more involved with the RiverClan story in the last two books. I think Nightheart will help Frostpaw since they're friends now and Sunbeam will get involved through Nightheart somehow.
I do worry a bit about Nightheart though. Now that he's on good terms with Sparkpelt, Finchlight and the rest of ThunderClan, I don't really know what he has going for himself story-wise. Frostpaw has the whole RiverClan plotline, Sunbeam has her relationship with her mother, what does Nightheart have? I don't think he'll become a camera, but I worry he will only be a second fiddle for Frostpaw's and Sunbeam's stories now.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 22, 2024 10:27:12 GMT -5
I think Nightheart and Sunbeam will definitely get more involved with the RiverClan story in the last two books. I think Nightheart will help Frostpaw since they're friends now and Sunbeam will get involved through Nightheart somehow. I do worry a bit about Nightheart though. Now that he's on good terms with Sparkpelt, Finchlight and the rest of ThunderClan, I don't really know what he has going for himself story-wise. Frostpaw has the whole RiverClan plotline, Sunbeam has her relationship with her mother, what does Nightheart have? I don't think he'll become a camera, but I worry he will only be a second fiddle for Frostpaw's and Sunbeam's stories now. He gets to train Waffle and Wasp according to the Wind blurb and his recent excerpt chapter in that upcoming book, where Squirrelstar assigned him to look out for those two. So at least there's that going for him at the moment. I'm sure he'll have some more involvement in the larger plot with RiverClan as well though, considering that him and Sunbeam have been aware of there having been something fishy (pun intended) going on with Splashtail ever since he met up with Berryheart and her clique in Sky, where Nightheart and Sunbeam spied on them during their little secret meeting.
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#a3c5e6
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 19, 2024 22:00:23 GMT -5
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