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Post by Leonard on Jan 30, 2024 10:05:06 GMT -5
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Post by Snowfire on Jan 30, 2024 10:48:31 GMT -5
That came a lot earlier than I expected!
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Post by Leonard on Jan 30, 2024 10:55:03 GMT -5
True that. I was expecting Star reveal today, and Wind excerpt next month. But can't really complain.
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Post by tollfarok on Jan 30, 2024 11:05:05 GMT -5
I expected it to come out later, but I'm not complaining. It might just be the excitement speaking from me, but this was amazing. It was so interesting?? The prolouge was so cool My favorite part is definitely when Nightheart n Sunbeam are discussing kits. Their whole dialouge was so cute, and probably the most respectful way of talking about kits in a while. I hope they get to mentor Wafflepaw and Wasppaw if they join TC.
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Post by iceheart on Jan 30, 2024 11:14:06 GMT -5
So, first thoughts: 1.) It's already terrible. 2.) Of course Tigerheart is shown to be the good guy and to be the only one to accept Frostpaw. 3.) Squirrelstar apparently doesn't believe Frostpaw, despite her own father going through what Frostpaw is going through. 4.) Squirrelstar also says the same exact thing, "wait and see," that she got mad at Bramblestar for saying. This is an absolute 180 from her character.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jan 30, 2024 11:16:02 GMT -5
Never thought I'd see the day
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 30, 2024 11:44:55 GMT -5
Never thought I'd see the day Legit so happy right now for my girl <3 Even though we already knew from the previous book but now it even is confirmed in the allegiances!
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Post by sylveon on Jan 30, 2024 11:50:26 GMT -5
Oh boy I was excited for this! I just finished rereading Thunder, so it’s perfect timing.
1) I’m so happy sunbeam forgave Nightheart for leaving. It’s refreshing to see a relationship where they communicate their feelings for each other and actually trust one another. I really hope they’re endgame.
2) poor frostpaw. I expected her to speak to squirrelstar and tigerstar privately, but it was brave to come out in the middle of the gathering and accuse Splashtail. The reaction is infuriating though! I understand doubt, but the fact that they’re allowing splashtail to remain in control is gross. Hopefully Frostpaw installed enough doubt, but it seems riverclan will only fall into more chaos.
3) Frostpaw going to shadowclan is unexpected, but I think Shadowsight is the perfect cat to be there for her right now. He’s been in her place before, with cats doubting him and his visions.
4) I hope waffle and wasp don’t stay in thunderclan.
5) I know a lot of people will be disappointed by Squirrelstar’s reaction, but I think it’s reasonable, if not a bit OOC. As a leader, she cannot be as impulsive as she used to be. Maybe she’s finally realizing this after fighting against Bramblestar’s decisions. The clans were at the brink of war, and she’s reluctant to escalate that. However, it looks like the leaders agree with Frostpaw. Hopefully Tigerstar steps up again.
6) whistlepaw :-(
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Post by Hollyfall on Jan 30, 2024 11:52:41 GMT -5
So this is looking really good! Prologue: Seeing Splashtail as leader in the allegiances will take some getting used too. Him being in the prologue was also unexpected. Also, Birchpaw is an apprentice now! Slatefur seems like a solid choice.
Curlfeather really setting her sights on him when he's that young, huh? She's guilting him and making him do all the dirty work. His uncertainty about killing Reedwhisker makes me think she's been manipulating him about it. So his and Curlfeather's motivation is the overreliance of StarClan, and that one tidbit about how StarClan didn't interfere with Darktail or Ashfur is really interesting...and Curlfeather blaming them for killing Jayclaw too? I guess that proves she had nothing to do with it. This is a really interesting development and I'm all for it.
Oh yeah, he definitely set the dogs on her. No doubt. Chapter 1: Poor Frostpaw. But yeah, Podlight's definitely in on things somehow and I feel bad that Frostpaw clearly likes him. Frostpaw reuniting with her Clanmates was cute too. Good on Duskfur at least willing to hear Frostpaw out. I'm not surprised most cats don't believe her, these are pretty heavy accusations based on circumstantial evidence. Good on Tigerstar for taking her in. It reminds me of how he took in Mothwing, Icewing, and Harelight last arc. It's honestly the only sensible thing he's done this arc so far. I'm hoping Frostpaw and Shadowsight will bond over their lack of connection to StarClan. Chapter 2: I love that ThunderClan welcomes Nightheart back with open arms. Bramblestar also seems to be doing better now that he's not leader. At least Squirrelstar and Ivypool believe Nightheart. Interesting that Squirrelstar points out that ThunderClan has a reputation for interfering in other Clan affairs. I also love ThunderClan basically infodumping their history while Waffle and Wasp don't understand a word of it
Honestly, Squirrel's reaction makes sense with the circumstances. I know she wanted to act in previous books, but the situation has changed now. Chapter 3: NightheartxSunbeam is growing on me, I admit. Poor Sunbeam missing her parents and brother. I wonder what Spireclaw thinks of this all? Sunbeam and Nightheart discussing kits already? Not sure how I feel about that, but good on them for thinking of their future. Also Breezepelt being nice? Growing up and becoming a father has really made him mature and mellow out; I think Daisy said as much in her novella. So Harestar is also having doubts about Splashtail? I'm also expecting Sunbeam to go out and try to find her family if Berryheart is injured. Like yeah, Berryheart has made her life difficult lately, but she's still her mother. And Sparrowtail still obviously loves Sunbeam. That said, if Sunbeam goes to them I feel Berryheart might try to convince her to leave ThunderClan, but we'll see. Book looks pretty good so far. I'm definitely interested.
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Post by lazzylake on Jan 30, 2024 11:54:41 GMT -5
I'm just going to say this now but Curlfeather is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters, let alone villains now. The whole concept of a female villain creating a pyramid scheme within RiverClan is SO CREATIVE. Using Frostpaw for her gain just adds layers and layers on her character and IT'S SO GOOD. I can't wait to read more of Curlfeather's reverse development!
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Post by stupidflower on Jan 30, 2024 12:02:14 GMT -5
My man Slatefur has another apprentice👍
I'll put in more thoughts later but I KNEW that Splashtail was manipulated by Curlfeather from a young age. These two are definitely my favorite villains, Berryheart has to step it up.
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Post by ombredecorbeau2003 on Jan 30, 2024 12:14:04 GMT -5
I love all the reminders and references to the Warriors universe in the Wind extract: Mudfur who was a warrior before being a medicine cat, Breezepelt who went looking for Nightcloud, Nightstar who lied to ShadowClan by saying that he had his 9 lives, the Great Battle of The First Battle...In fact, I like the fact that in A Starless Clan, we don't miss an opportunity to mention events and characters from the series as if the Erins had realized that they had built a very rich universe over 21 years.
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Post by Hollyfall on Jan 30, 2024 12:16:30 GMT -5
Breezepelt and Sunbeam identifying over the fact that they have difficult parents was unexpected, but it's a nice detail.
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Post by flipwish on Jan 30, 2024 12:30:36 GMT -5
I think the contrast between Curlfeather and Splashtail is interesting. Once again I think it's telling that Curlfeather speaks well of Frostpaw even when she's literally discussing her evil murder plans in secret. And then Splashtail does the complete opposite by being demeaning and dismissive of Frostpaw in a very public setting, y'know, just to rub salt in the attempted murder wound.
I think Curlfeather presumably having not killed Jayclaw is a little disappointing on account of i think it would've been funny still. But at the same time I think it's probably better in the long run given that a lot of people had already jumped to the conclusion of "Curlfeather 100% Evil Doesn't Care About Anyone No Loved Ones Only Tools To Her" despite Thunder itself implying otherwise.
I do hope Frostpaw gets a happy ending in some way.
Nightheart chapter exists to me solely for the purpose of seeing what Squirrelstar says about the situation. Remember when some people called Frostpaw a camera character? Because that's what Nightheart is to me and always will be given how unlikable he is on his own. He exists to show what the other important characters are doing that he can see and that's it.
Sunbeam exists. I missed the kit convo entirely at first because I skimmed her chapter. I only really cared about when berryheart would show up or be mentioned. I could do without NightSun kits anyways. I could do without NigthSun in general still. I could do without Nightheart, in fact. This is a reoccurring theme of ASC
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Post by lightfur on Jan 30, 2024 12:31:16 GMT -5
Birchkit is a apprentice now! I'm guessing the other kits will probably be apprenticed in this book or Star because all of them were 4 moons old irc? If they are all the same age, when I'm surprised only Birchkit was apprenticed in the allegiances. Also why is Duskfur still listed as a warrior when she should be a elder? Did the writers forget? She's been called a elder in the books. I thought Curlfeather would want to become leader to change the rules of the new code, but it seems she wanted to do so after Jayclaw's death made her dislike Starclan. I find that very interesting. I was expecting Mothwing to be dead next time we saw her, but I'm honestly glad she isn't. And poor Frostpaw. Her own uncle is in on the Splashtail thing too. At least Tigerheartstar took her in to Shadowclan, and there are a few cats that believe her. And poor Whistlepaw being punished I'd love to see Nightheart and Sunbeam mentor Wasp and Waffle. Speaking of which, Nightheart and Sunbeam are so adorable together. They talking about having kits was so sweet! "Wasp looked at Waffle. “I didn’t understand a word of that,” he grumbled." That was hilarious. Also, Ivypool getting mad at the prospect of kittypets joining the clan makes me go "Oh, kittypet hate is still a thing." I forget that it still exists in Thunderclan, especially since Stormcloud had joined before, and the whole Firestar thing.
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Post by Wolfyy- on Jan 30, 2024 12:50:06 GMT -5
I love this!! Splashtail's perspective from the past was cool. It obviously isn't a surprise that the clans don't believe Frostpaw, but I'm glad that Tigerstar is giving her a chance at least. He's not all bad! And I don't think he's using Frostpaw to get a leg up on RiverClan. I think he's being genuine. Nightheart had a reasonable conversation with Squirrelstar, and I can absolutely see where she's coming from. Squirrel is trying to look at the big picture, which is absolutely her best move as a new leader. Wasp and Waffle are adorable, and I can't wait to see them interacting more with the ThunderClan elders!! The Cats of the Park were a huge part of the last book, and I hope they pass on many of their practices and traditions to the clans too. I'm a stan for NightXSun. I hope they have all the adorable babies. Also, BREEZEPELT YES!!! I love Breezepelt. I think he's come a very long way. That whole interaction was great.
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Post by NightFrostSun on Jan 30, 2024 13:12:54 GMT -5
This book is so good so far. I love NightSun and am so glad they have such a warm reception in ThunderClan. ThunderClan is the perfect clan for them. I am glad that Frostpaw found sanctuary in ShadowClan. The Splashtail, Curlfeather flashback in the prologue was definitely the most interesting part. I'm pretty sure Curlfeather will be the next border guardian and she will start to redeem herself by the end of this arc. Overall can't wait for April.
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Post by Slightdapple on Jan 30, 2024 13:13:35 GMT -5
Wow! This came way earlier than I expected. But it seems really good so far! NightSun is adorable, and Splashtail's POV was really interesting.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 30, 2024 13:15:56 GMT -5
I still don't have that many feelings for either Squirrelstar or Ivypool, but ngl, seeing them in the allegiances filled me with excitement! Anyway, here's my reaction while reading the prologue: Seriously though, this just made me both love and hate Curlfeather even more and Splashtail just became much more interesting in my eyes. Wanted power since he was an apprentice? Okay, how sure are we about that, or were you just whispering in his ear this entire time, Curlfeather? Interesting that Splashtail doesn't even want nine lives, though! Can't wait to see how this'll play out in the story proper! I'm glad we finally got the motivation too, which is more or less what I was expecting. And onto Chapter One! Again, poor Frostpaw! I can understand why the others won't believe her given the circumstances, but still, yikes! Poor Whistlepaw, too! And throwing Curlfeather under the bus? Bold move, Splashtail, wonder how this'll affect RiverClan actually listening to you and it's a shame we won't get to see it. Chapter 2! Wasp and Waffle continue to be adorable and I understand Squirrelstar's reasoning here and I like the part where Squirrelstar distinguishes between her warrior and leader self... but now really isn't the time, girl! No joke, just before Ivypool brings up previous leaders, I was thinking the exact same thing, and even if Splashtail didn't resent StarClan to the extent that he does... they don't know that! Seriously, talk about acting on blind faith alone! Still can't wait to see how this all plays out, though. Chapter 3... oh, and Berryheart's hurt. Okay, then.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 30, 2024 13:26:03 GMT -5
Surprised it got posted so early at the end of January already. Especially considering how the Shadow excerpt only got released a month before the release of the actual book in April of last year. But anyways, here are my thoughts: Prologue ( Splashtail's PoV) So Curlfeather approached Splashtail when he was an apprentice and they bonded over their disdain of StarClan (or rather the Clans reliance on it)? Interesting...
And there is also a disdain or rather was a lack of respect they had for Mistystar, of course.
The way Curlfeather speaks so nonchalant about using her own daughter Frostpaw for her own gain is once again so chilling to read about.
This also seemingly confirms that Curlfeather had nothing to do with Jayclaw's death and indeed mourned for him. His death was also apparently a turning point for her since she was loyal to Mistystar before it.
Also, Splashtail not wanting to get nine lives when he becomes leader and instead wanting to rely on his own strength to make RiverClan stronger again in a single lifetime is a refreshing take for sure.
Splashtail truly just wants power to "make RiverClan great" because he considers it weak to rely so much on their ancestors. Which does make sense and I'm glad we know his motivation now. Chapter One ( Frostpaw) Frostpaw acknowledging Podlight as her mother's littermate and wondering about his involvement in the scheme makes me hope we'll see much more of him from now on for the last two ASC books since he does have potential as a character and her uncle to either be a villain or antagonists, misguided or manipulated. Although he does not seem to think highly of her after she tries to reveal the truth about Splashtail. Either way, I kinda look forward to seeing more of him, no matter what direction they take him in (or if they just kill him off fast lol).
We already knew from the Wind blurb that Frostpaw would sadly not be able to convince the Clans of Splashtail's true colors and that she'll be taking refuge in ShadowClan, so no surprises there even though it once again makes Tigerstar II out to be a noble cat for taking her in (the only good thing his character has done in TBC as well).
So Duskfur and the others did not believe Frostpaw when she told them Splashtail killed Reedwhisker but they did believe Splashtail when he convinced them that Curlfeather did it instead and that he was working against her, not with her.
Duskfur directly tells Tigerstar II to get his remaining warriors out of RiverClan, meaning that this conflict seems to be resolved for now. But it's definitely far from over, especially considering that ShadowClan takes Frostpaw in after Splashtail exiles her.
Wasp and Waffle are allowed to join ThunderClan as guests at the end of the gathering. Which also already got revealed in the Wind blurb.
Chapter Two ( Nightheart) Nightheart and Sunbeam have a brief private moment of reuniting before going back to ThunderClan's camp were Nightheart receives a pretty warm welcome by the rest of his Clanmates, includiing Brambleclaw.
The next morning, he gets called to speak with Squirrelstar and Ivypool about his quest.
Squirrelstar does believe Nightheart and thus Frostpaw about there "being something wrong with Splashtail" and she also thinks that "something rotten has been happening ever since Mistystar's death". But she doesn't want to meddle in RiverClan's affairs since ThunderClan has been criticized for doing that plenty of times in the past and because Tigerstar II did so until very recently as well.
Ivypool wants to intervene before things go too far but Squirrelstar wishes to wait for RiverClan to make the first move.
Squirrelstar then calls a Clan gathering and allows Wasp and Waffle to stay until the next moon where they will have to either choose to become ThunderClan cats, go to RiverClan or leave again. ThunderClan then starts to tell their guests about various past leaders and events, such as Thunderstar, Firestar and Bramblestar to possibly convince them to join.
Chapter Three ( Sunbeam) It's now been a quarter moon since the gathering. Sunbeam thinks about Berryheart while out hunting with Nightheart near the WindClan border.
The two of them then talk about having kits but only in a few seasons in order to first enjoy their time together without "distractions".
Breezepelt interrupts them by making fun of their mushy talk before engaging them in a chat about the events at the gathering. They first talk about Frostpaw and Harestar is mentioned to somewhat believe her but doesn't want to get involved in RiverClan business. Then they talk about Berryheart's attempt to outvote Tigerstar II. Woodsong and Crouchfoot (who are on patrol with Breezepelt) mention having been told that Berryheart, Sparrowtail and Hollowspring were spotted just beyond WindClan land and that they "did not look good, and Berryheart seems to have been injured".
The chapter and thus excerpt ends with Sunbeam wanting to help her parents since she now knows they are suffering. The Wind excerpt already mentioned that she would do so and also that Berryheart would be sick in some way. All in all, I'm excited for this book to come out (in like more than two months lol) as well as the spoiler thread.
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jan 30, 2024 13:38:11 GMT -5
Damn this made me love Curlfeather and Splashtail as villains even more.
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Post by Snowfire on Jan 30, 2024 14:41:42 GMT -5
- I'm honestly surprised Birchpaw became an apprentice so soon, I think chances of having Dovewing join Ivypool for the journey in IH is more likely now. Slatefur seems to be a solid choice for him though.
- I expected seeing Curlfeather and Splashtail in the prologue but I didn't realize they were plotting for a while, even before Splashtail became a warrior. It was interesting seeing Splashtail reluctant to kill Reedwhisker at one moment and then wanting to kill Curlfeather in the next.
- Evil Curlfeather is really starting to grow on me, having someone wanting to do bad for good is really refreshing.
- POOR Whistlepaw, I hope her punishment isn't that serious
- I hated how almost everyone doesn't believe Frostpaw and asking for proof, meanwhile nobody's questioning Splashtail and Podlight, it's ridiculous.
- I found it surprising Squish doesn't want to take in Frostpaw, at least Tigerheartstar did. At least that means we'll have some Shadowsight and Frostpaw scenes.
- NightSun is starting to grow on me more, it's also nice to see TC being warm to Nightheart's return.
- I love how TC dumped all this history on Waffle and Wasp and they're just confused.
- I have a feeling Wasp might not stay, at least not in TC, I hope him and Waffle stay in RC in the end AFTER RC apologizes to Frostpaw.
- It was cute seeing NightSun talking about kits, But I feel like this could be foreshadowing something.I have no trust in the Erins when they put something so sweet
- Breezepelt talking about parents to Sunbeam was silly, I'm glad we're starting to see more Breezepelt.
- I honestly thought Berryheart got sick with something else, I was hoping for rabies, but it seems she got hurt instead, it's sweet Sunbeam still cares about her, Sparrowtail, and her brother despite everything. This book seems promising, can't wait to read it once it's out!
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Jan 30, 2024 14:44:08 GMT -5
Birchfall and Birchpaw:
- Both born to a pale gray mother with green eyes, and a dark brown father with amber eyes - Both are part of their parents' second litters - Both are light brown cats - Both are the only survivors of their litters - Both have gray mentors with the -fur suffix - Both had childhoods spent during great change for inter-Clan relations and inter-Clan mingling
Illuminati confirmed??
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Post by pigeoncloud on Jan 30, 2024 14:48:48 GMT -5
Oooh that's exciting! Wasn't expecting this to come so soon. I was pretty meh on Splashtail before, but I'm seriously starting to appreciate him as a character.
Considering everything that's happened, I'm not at all surprised that Frostpaw's story was met with a lot of skepticism. I feel bad for poor Frostpaw though, I hope ShadowClan will be kind to her.
I was pretty iffy about NightxSun at the start of ASC, but I've come to love them. They're supportive, cute and a big step up from BristlexRoot imo.
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Post by 「Wιитεяичgнт」 on Jan 30, 2024 14:50:23 GMT -5
Oh boy... here we go! Poor Frostpaw. I dont care much for her chapters as im not totally invested in RC as a whole and dont really care about them much... but I still feel kinda bad for her. Ill be honest, im here for the Night/Sun mostly.
Speaking of Night/Sun! I love their interactions and discussionsabout their future and kits.
Wow Ivypool.. nice to see you bashing kittypets. In front of your half kittypet leader and your partial kittypet kin. Being a partial kittypet yourself to boot! You know if it wasn't for kittypets joining, you wouldn't be here. You're doing a bang up job of proving to me youd make a good leader one day, let alone the deputy you already unfortunately are... keep it up!
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Post by 𝐛𝐥𝟒𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐨𝐥 on Jan 30, 2024 14:51:34 GMT -5
I also love Breezepelt's "parents are the worst, right?". I burst out laughing.
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Post by کیوان on Jan 30, 2024 15:39:18 GMT -5
Tyrant Squish, let's go!
You know when you're reading a story and everything is going wrong? We are seeing it unfold before our very eyes.
That said, very surprised to see an excerpt before February.
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Post by moongloweevee on Jan 30, 2024 16:49:23 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see if this is going to affect the 9 lives ceremony.
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