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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jan 28, 2024 12:28:01 GMT -5
100% Agreed. They should kill off the background characters who are barely used cardboard props, not the ones with actual personality. Like, I think it's incredibly sad that so many of the modern cats barely get any screentime or consistent personalities but at this point it just seems too late to develop them and would be better to instead kill them off, introduce new ones and develop them along the way like Berrynose and Rosepetal were in PoT/OotS ever since being kits. I miss that amount of effort, honestly. For sure. Although I also think Squirrelstar would go against Splashtail if he goes overboard in attacking ShadowClan. I highly doubt she would let them be destroyed even though she rightfully dislikes Tigerstar II and his methods. Yeah, all Leafstar and Squirrelstar want is for ShadowClan to get out of RiverClan's territory. Although it could be interesting if Splashtail was able to manipulate them to be on his side. That would give us a lot of drama. I feel like that in terms of characters, the series is slowly starting to get better again. Background characters are getting more and more personality. But because of (mainly) AVoS and TBC, it's too late for a lot of characters. I mean, Tigerstar already minimized the amount of ShadowClan cats in the RiverClan camp before Splashtail was announced as leader at the end of Thunder. Now that RiverClan has an official leader (even though he is for sure not the rightful one), I'm pretty certain that ShadowClan will fully retreat, either by Tigerstar keeping his promise on his own of leaving them alone once a leader has been found or by Splashtail rightfully reminding him of that promise. But either way, another conflict between RiverClan and ShadowClan is already on the horizon because of the latter sheltering Frostpaw after her attempt at revealing the truth about Splashtail fails at the gathering, according to the Wind blurb. That being said, Splashtail could still manipulate the other leaders to be on his side seeing as his Clan was the one who was wronged by ShadowClan's interference in their lifes. True, thanks to ASC. But I do still think that the Clans, especially ThunderClan though, would benefit from a small purge. ThunderClan was great during TPB/TNP with like 20+ cats and in PoT/OotS with roughly 30 cats but the almost 40 cats cast amount ever since then has just been a lot and frankly too much for most of them to get enough time to be developed and have some time in the spotlight, even as background characters. Especially compared to the amount of scenes the TC bg cast got in PoT and OotS, specifically considering the younger/newer ones.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 28, 2024 13:57:53 GMT -5
I'm really loving Berryheart and especially Curlfeather so far, but with Splashtail, I'm more interested in learning more about his motivation than anything, though I really won't be surprised if it's just a "power grab stemmed by insecurity" sort of thing.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jan 28, 2024 22:20:21 GMT -5
I would actually love if Splashtail's motivation was just growing up in a weak RiverClan and seeing how lackluster of a leader Mistystar was during the events of AVOS and TBC.
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Post by Wolfyy- on Jan 29, 2024 21:14:48 GMT -5
I love them. Curlfeather was very unexpected, for me at least. Splashtail was less of a surprise. Berryheart was obvious. I'm excited to learn the true motivations behind the two RC antagonists' actions. I also look forward to the reveal of what will happen to Berryheart. I think it's been well thought out so far.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 31, 2024 2:51:06 GMT -5
Kinda like Curlfeather more and wished she stayed longer ngl.
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Post by Pyropelt on Feb 1, 2024 11:14:33 GMT -5
I think all three are interesting. It seems like they’re playing the long game, instead of going straight to murder the minute they become evil. Even though Curlfeather died so soon, it felt like it was a little while before Splashtail killed her. I also like how manipulative Berryheart, Splashtail, and Curlfeather are with their words.
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Post by valleylight on Feb 1, 2024 11:42:34 GMT -5
It’s really cool that Curlfeather fell victim to the proverbial “monster” she helped create. Sort of like Tigerstar and Scourge. Her fatal mistake was underestimating him.
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 8, 2024 18:14:24 GMT -5
They're honestly all pretty good. Berryheart I'd consider an antagonist as opposed to a villain and she's easily the most nuanced. Curlfeather died in the first book but she's absolutely one of the more interesting ones since she planned a whole pyramid scheme just to depose the Clan leadership. Wish she lived longer.
Maybe unpopular opinion, but I like Splashtail the best. He's a popular, well-liked young cat who's been given one of the most powerful positions in the Clan and, at least going off the latest blurb, it's his unchecked ambition and desire for power that ends up being his undoing. I find the argument of "his name is ordinary" to be a bit silly, since there's already cats with "normal" names like Darktail, Ashfur, or Sleekwhisker. His "normal" name is percisely what makes him such a crafty villain; he's an ordinary cat. But I get why people aren't too positive on him right now.
Considering he opposes being given nine lives and StarClan, I'm very interested in his later development and hoping he's a much better executed version of Hawkfrost.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 8, 2024 19:55:00 GMT -5
They're honestly all pretty good. Berryheart I'd consider an antagonist as opposed to a villain and she's easily the most nuanced. Curlfeather died in the first book but she's absolutely one of the more interesting ones since she planned a whole pyramid scheme just to depose the Clan leadership. Wish she lived longer. Maybe unpopular opinion, but I like Splashtail the best. He's a popular, well-liked young cat who's been given one of the most powerful positions in the Clan and, at least going off the latest blurb, it's his unchecked ambition and desire for power that ends up being his undoing. I find the argument of "his name is ordinary" to be a bit silly, since there's already cats with "normal" names like Darktail, Ashfur, or Sleekwhisker. His "normal" name is percisely what makes him such a crafty villain; he's an ordinary cat. But I get why people aren't too positive on him right now. Considering he opposes being given nine lives and StarClan, I'm very interested in his later development and hoping he's a much better executed version of Hawkfrost. Darktail's name sounds imposing just because the adjective 'Dark' sounds evil. It hints at someone being darkhearted, at keeping others in the dark, and so on. Ashfur's name hearkens perfectly to the fire scene, with ashes and fire being well connected, and then TBC has it double down on that by him showing visions of all the clans destroyed to the point of being nothing but ashes. Sleekwhisker is a jumped up lackey who was incapable of doing much of anything without her boss. Her name befits someone as unintimidating as she is, and so being compared to her isn't really the best light. The ordinary name comparison is more of a joke than anything else, of course, but I do think it's additional salt in the wound for Splashtail. Most of his accomplishments seem to be just hanging on Curlfeather's coattails, and then on top of that he has a very silly sounding name. It's not too late for him to pull off some accomplishments, he has two books to do it after all, but the name is still just kind of funny.
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Post by 「Wιитεяичgнт」 on Feb 8, 2024 19:58:24 GMT -5
I think they're fine. Curlfeather is by far my favorite of the ASC Villains and I really hope we see more of her.
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Post by Sunleap24973 on Feb 8, 2024 20:28:46 GMT -5
Curlfeather and Splashtail are okay and we don't have a lot to go on so they're a solid "like" for now. Berryheart I actually really like and I think she has one of the best motivations of any villains so far. (Though she does really annoy me sometimes.)
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Post by Hollyfall on Feb 8, 2024 23:11:57 GMT -5
They're honestly all pretty good. Berryheart I'd consider an antagonist as opposed to a villain and she's easily the most nuanced. Curlfeather died in the first book but she's absolutely one of the more interesting ones since she planned a whole pyramid scheme just to depose the Clan leadership. Wish she lived longer. Maybe unpopular opinion, but I like Splashtail the best. He's a popular, well-liked young cat who's been given one of the most powerful positions in the Clan and, at least going off the latest blurb, it's his unchecked ambition and desire for power that ends up being his undoing. I find the argument of "his name is ordinary" to be a bit silly, since there's already cats with "normal" names like Darktail, Ashfur, or Sleekwhisker. His "normal" name is percisely what makes him such a crafty villain; he's an ordinary cat. But I get why people aren't too positive on him right now. Considering he opposes being given nine lives and StarClan, I'm very interested in his later development and hoping he's a much better executed version of Hawkfrost. Darktail's name sounds imposing just because the adjective 'Dark' sounds evil. It hints at someone being darkhearted, at keeping others in the dark, and so on. Ashfur's name hearkens perfectly to the fire scene, with ashes and fire being well connected, and then TBC has it double down on that by him showing visions of all the clans destroyed to the point of being nothing but ashes. Sleekwhisker is a jumped up lackey who was incapable of doing much of anything without her boss. Her name befits someone as unintimidating as she is, and so being compared to her isn't really the best light. The ordinary name comparison is more of a joke than anything else, of course, but I do think it's additional salt in the wound for Splashtail. Most of his accomplishments seem to be just hanging on Curlfeather's coattails, and then on top of that he has a very silly sounding name. It's not too late for him to pull off some accomplishments, he has two books to do it after all, but the name is still just kind of funny. That's a fair assessment. I don't disagree entirely, I'm just personally unbothered by his name and don't find it detracting from my enjoyment of his character. Not that you're making this argument yourself, just other criticisms I see levied.
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