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Finally reading Wind!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Nov 7, 2023 14:26:24 GMT -5
warriorcats.com/content/article/thunder-a-look-at-the-most-popular-fan-theoriesInteresting that the official Warriors website posted it on the official release date. Not sure if they've ever done that in the past. But either way, even though Thunder has now been officially published and there was already a spoiler thread for it on here (which I ate up), please spoiler tag any new info since this book is still new and some people don't want to be spoiled before reading this one for themselves, thank you.
5 - The paw’s purpose 4 - To the brink of war 3 - Where the sun will settle 2 - A star is born? 1 - Trust no cat
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Post by کیوان on Nov 7, 2023 14:50:16 GMT -5
They summed up our thoughts pretty well. Curious to see how things roll.
Also, love the names of the headers. "Where the sun will settle" goes hard.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 7, 2023 15:21:39 GMT -5
I have never heard of people shipping Frostpaw and Wafflepaw. Not that I can remember, anyways.
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Post by Snowfire on Nov 7, 2023 16:39:25 GMT -5
"Some say she might find love and a future with Wafflepaw; others hope she’ll find love with Whistlepaw." WafflexFrost and WhistlexFrost theory!? PLEASE LET ONE OF THEM HAPPEN, preferably with Whistle, we need more LGBTQ+ cats.
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Post by streamflower on Nov 7, 2023 17:33:03 GMT -5
I'm genuinely shocked they actually referenced FrostxWhistle, they've been so against referencing any LGBTQ+ stuff officially, so it's nice that they might actually be moving past that.
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Post by کیوان on Nov 7, 2023 17:45:19 GMT -5
I'm genuinely shocked they actually referenced FrostxWhistle, they've been so against referencing any LGBTQ+ stuff officially, so it's nice that they might actually be moving past that. Um… no? They’ve featured artwork of Trans Redtail once, and it isn’t the first time that art of Lesbian Sunbeam and Trans Nightheart in the article itself was used. Where are you getting this claim?
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Post by Purdyisbestboi on Nov 7, 2023 19:20:06 GMT -5
Wait, people think Sunbeam’s gonna have children??? Tbh I’m not really surprised, most of the couples in Warriors have kids. Hopefully they don’t immediately have kits, but if they pull a TwigFin, I won’t be okay.
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Post by streamflower on Nov 7, 2023 19:20:35 GMT -5
I'm genuinely shocked they actually referenced FrostxWhistle, they've been so against referencing any LGBTQ+ stuff officially, so it's nice that they might actually be moving past that. Um… no? They’ve featured artwork of Trans Redtail once, and it isn’t the first time that art of Lesbian Sunbeam and Trans Nightheart in the article itself was used. Where are you getting this claim? I'm saying it's a nice change because in the past it wasn't always looks upon positively/been referenced by the official team, and that the changes/acceptance of LGBTQ+ stuff from the official warriors team is newer and that I'm appreciative of it. Like consider that the "Starclan pool" would say you're going to the Dark Forest if you asked whether a character was gay, and that was just a few years ago so Having two pieces of artwork on the official site doesn't really scream 'acceptance' to me, so them actually referencing an LGBTQ+ ship written on the website is a nice change.
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Post by کیوان on Nov 7, 2023 19:30:48 GMT -5
Um… no? They’ve featured artwork of Trans Redtail once, and it isn’t the first time that art of Lesbian Sunbeam and Trans Nightheart in the article itself was used. Where are you getting this claim? I'm saying it's a nice change because in the past it wasn't always looks upon positively/been referenced by the official team, and that the changes/acceptance of LGBTQ+ stuff from the official warriors team is newer and that I'm appreciative of it. Like consider that the "Starclan pool" would say you're going to the Dark Forest if you asked whether a character was gay, and that was just a few years ago so Having two pieces of artwork on the official site doesn't really scream 'acceptance' to me, so them actually referencing an LGBTQ+ ship written on the website is a nice change. Please show me the source for this, there's no way
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Post by iceheart on Nov 7, 2023 19:32:17 GMT -5
If only the interesting things that the fans theorized actually happened.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Nov 7, 2023 19:57:26 GMT -5
The team acknowledging someone's theory about FrostWhistle doesn't mean that they support the ship or that it will happen, it just means they're acknowledging someone's theory... It's kind of like if they showcased someone's art of Firestar with a unicorn horn- doesn't mean that Firestar with a unicorn horn is canon, they're just showing off some art. Also that feeling when the fans come up with better theories and ideas than what the Erins actually give us ;-;
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Post by streamflower on Nov 7, 2023 22:32:33 GMT -5
I'm saying it's a nice change because in the past it wasn't always looks upon positively/been referenced by the official team, and that the changes/acceptance of LGBTQ+ stuff from the official warriors team is newer and that I'm appreciative of it. Like consider that the "Starclan pool" would say you're going to the Dark Forest if you asked whether a character was gay, and that was just a few years ago so Having two pieces of artwork on the official site doesn't really scream 'acceptance' to me, so them actually referencing an LGBTQ+ ship written on the website is a nice change. Please show me the source for this, there's no way Bet www.reddit.com/r/WarriorCats/comments/q3wvd4/i_found_this_on_tumblr_can_i_have_some_help/hfvo014/ [Comment confirming this] https://www.reddit.com/r/thedawnpatrol/comments/q3wuix/i_found_this_on_tumblr_can_i_have_some_help/hfy5yti/[Another comment confirming this] www1.flightrising.com/forums/gend/2606760/2 [Post by Dizzywing confirming this] dirtplace-tunnel.tumblr.com/post/181730650666/its-homophobic-because-the-moonpool-treats-the [Tumblr post confirming this] wcrpforums.com/thread/69454/opinions-on-website [Post by a member on this forum confirming this] If you go to the moonpool now and ask any questions that have LGBTQ+ now it just says that 'Starclan isn't listening / Ask another way' Like it sucks that it happened, and I'm glad the dark forest answer is gone if you ask whether a character is gay, but it absolutely happened; it was a big controversy. Side note, the terms "homophobia/homophobic' elicit the dark forest response.
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Post by کیوان on Nov 7, 2023 22:39:23 GMT -5
streamflower Just asked the Moonpool if I was f*cked and they told me to return to the Dark Forest with my venomous words. So I see where this is coming from. All right, sauce given, it happened.
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Post by streamflower on Nov 7, 2023 23:19:14 GMT -5
streamflower Just asked the Moonpool if I was f*cked and they told me to return to the Dark Forest with my venomous words. So I see where this is coming from. All right, sauce given, it happened. Yeah, it had a bit of an outcry but tbf if was on the old site mainly, that might be why you didn't hear about it. Either way pls WhistlexFrost <3
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Post by 🍄🎶✨Brambleheart✨🎶🍄 on Nov 8, 2023 8:40:48 GMT -5
"the Wind blurb hinted" Nah bestie it outright said so
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Post by 🌸🐥silvermoon2🐥🌸 on Nov 8, 2023 10:38:56 GMT -5
I really wouldn't like WhistleXFrostpaw to be a thing since(not being homophobic or anything) but warriors is about cats so it would make no sense and is also geared towards younger children, even though teens and adults read it too, so I feel it would be unfair to put such contriversial stuff in a children's book. Like I said, not trying to be homophobic, I think members of the LGBTQ+ community should have representation too, but just not in a book geared towards children. I also like the idea of Frostpaw and Whistlepaw just being really good friends.
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Post by streamflower on Nov 8, 2023 10:46:18 GMT -5
I really wouldn't like WhistleXFrostpaw to be a thing since(not being homophobic or anything) but warriors is about cats so it would make no sense and is also geared towards younger children, even though teens and adults read it too, so I feel it would be unfair to put such contriversial stuff in a children's book. Like I said, not trying to be homophobic, I think members of the LGBTQ+ community should have representation too, but just not in a book geared towards children. I also like the idea of Frostpaw and Whistlepaw just being really good friends. I mean homosexual behaviors are found in basically all species, not just humans; additionally Wings of Fire (which is geared at the same audience age range) has LGBTQ+ characters and couples as well. Not only that but Warriors has no issue with straight couples with being pushed all the time, heck there's even that weird scene where Dovepaw is aware of Sorreltail and Brackenfur 'getting together' and being embarrassed about it, so if they're willing to write that, I don't see any issue with a single confirmed LGBTQ+ ship.
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Post by کیوان on Nov 8, 2023 11:37:33 GMT -5
I really wouldn't like WhistleXFrostpaw to be a thing since(not being homophobic or anything) but warriors is about cats so it would make no sense and is also geared towards younger children, even though teens and adults read it too, so I feel it would be unfair to put such contriversial stuff in a children's book. Like I said, not trying to be homophobic, I think members of the LGBTQ+ community should have representation too, but just not in a book geared towards children. I also like the idea of Frostpaw and Whistlepaw just being really good friends. I mean homosexual behaviors are found in basically all species, not just humans; additionally Wings of Fire (which is geared at the same audience age range) has LGBTQ+ characters and couples as well. Not only that but Warriors has no issue with straight couples with being pushed all the time, heck there's even that weird scene where Dovepaw is aware of Sorreltail and Brackenfur 'getting together' and being embarrassed about it, so if they're willing to write that, I don't see any issue with a single confirmed LGBTQ+ ship. I know Wings of Fire is always going to be brought up when it comes to queer ships in the young adult fiction genre. But I'm going to be honest: I feel there's a need for Tui to, how to put it, get better at writing them. Like, Sundew x Willow is a solid ship; we get more nuance to Sundew's character, we learn more about the two different LeafWing groups, and Sundew learns that she doesn't have to comply to her parents' every command. But then you get ships like Pineapple x Jambu, which is hardly even explored outside of a vision, and I've seen people critique Anemone x Tamarin because of some implications behind Anemone trying to find a way to remove Tamarin's blindness (just saying what I've heard). I try to see the appeal in Snowfox x Snowflake, but Snowfox openly admits that there exists a utilitarian aspect to the whole thing. TL:DR, It's not enough to write a good queer ship; if you want it to be worthwhile, write a good ship that happens to be queer.
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Post by streamflower on Nov 8, 2023 12:43:54 GMT -5
I mean homosexual behaviors are found in basically all species, not just humans; additionally Wings of Fire (which is geared at the same audience age range) has LGBTQ+ characters and couples as well. Not only that but Warriors has no issue with straight couples with being pushed all the time, heck there's even that weird scene where Dovepaw is aware of Sorreltail and Brackenfur 'getting together' and being embarrassed about it, so if they're willing to write that, I don't see any issue with a single confirmed LGBTQ+ ship. I know Wings of Fire is always going to be brought up when it comes to queer ships in the young adult fiction genre. But I'm going to be honest: I feel there's a need for Tui to, how to put it, get better at writing them. Like, Sundew x Willow is a solid ship; we get more nuance to Sundew's character, we learn more about the two different LeafWing groups, and Sundew learns that she doesn't have to comply to her parents' every command. But then you get ships like Pineapple x Jambu, which is hardly even explored outside of a vision, and I've seen people critique Anemone x Tamarin because of some implications behind Anemone trying to find a way to remove Tamarin's blindness (just saying what I've heard). I try to see the appeal in Snowfox x Snowflake, but Snowfox openly admits that there exists a utilitarian aspect to the whole thing. TL:DR, It's not enough to write a good queer ship; if you want it to be worthwhile, write a good ship that happens to be queer. I definitely agree that it needs to have solid writing, and needs to be a good ship that happens to be LGBTQ+! I just like the dynamic between FrostxWhistle; like how Whistle takes care of Frost, keeps her secret, and cares for her, or how Frost thinks of Whistle before speaking to any other med cats as well.
I think there's room for it to grow into a solid pairing, and Warriors can do a better job with it if they take the opportunity. My point with bringing up WoF wasn't to say that all of the ships are super well done, just that that there are LGBTQ+ ships shown in that series, and that it's the same age range as Warriors, so in my opinion it's not inappropriate to have LGBTQ+ ships given that there are countless confirmed straight pairings as the series as well.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Nov 8, 2023 15:32:08 GMT -5
On the topic of FrostWhistle getting acknowledged as a fanon ship (which is neat), I said this before on a thread when River came out, but I've personally decided to not even consider shipping it until they are both adult cats/got their healer/warrior names, since I just don't ship apprentices (or kits) together. Thunder spoiler Although I did like reading the spoiler parts for the recently released fourth book of ASC where Whistlepaw takes care of Frostpaw and kept her secret, so I hope that they'll both have more interactions and develop a proper friendship that I might end up shipping them (when they got their full names) because they do have some potential.
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Post by 🌸🐥silvermoon2🐥🌸 on Nov 9, 2023 7:02:19 GMT -5
I really wouldn't like WhistleXFrostpaw to be a thing since(not being homophobic or anything) but warriors is about cats so it would make no sense and is also geared towards younger children, even though teens and adults read it too, so I feel it would be unfair to put such contriversial stuff in a children's book. Like I said, not trying to be homophobic, I think members of the LGBTQ+ community should have representation too, but just not in a book geared towards children. I also like the idea of Frostpaw and Whistlepaw just being really good friends. I mean homosexual behaviors are found in basically all species, not just humans; additionally Wings of Fire (which is geared at the same audience age range) has LGBTQ+ characters and couples as well. Not only that but Warriors has no issue with straight couples with being pushed all the time, heck there's even that weird scene where Dovepaw is aware of Sorreltail and Brackenfur 'getting together' and being embarrassed about it, so if they're willing to write that, I don't see any issue with a single confirmed LGBTQ+ ship. I don't agree with the statement that homosexual behaviors are found in almost all species, I think the behavior a lot of species display that might be mistaken for homosexuality is done for a difference reason such as to show dominance. And straight couples aren't as controversial as LGBTQ+ couples, which is why I don't think they should be in books geared towards younger audiences. Anyway, I don't want to start an argument or hijack this thread or anything, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
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Post by streamflower on Nov 9, 2023 12:11:17 GMT -5
I mean homosexual behaviors are found in basically all species, not just humans; additionally Wings of Fire (which is geared at the same audience age range) has LGBTQ+ characters and couples as well. Not only that but Warriors has no issue with straight couples with being pushed all the time, heck there's even that weird scene where Dovepaw is aware of Sorreltail and Brackenfur 'getting together' and being embarrassed about it, so if they're willing to write that, I don't see any issue with a single confirmed LGBTQ+ ship. I don't agree with the statement that homosexual behaviors are found in almost all species, I think the behavior a lot of species display that might be mistaken for homosexuality is done for a difference reason such as to show dominance. And straight couples aren't as controversial as LGBTQ+ couples, which is why I don't think they should be in books geared towards younger audiences. Anyway, I don't want to start an argument or hijack this thread or anything, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, however there's too many research papers to suggest that it's solely a 'dominance' thing, especially considering things similar to "Dominance Theory" are abejctively false and have been proven wrong by the very people that coined it. Additionally, if we can have controversial elements like brutal deaths (Tigerstar being disemboweled, characters being ripped apart by dogs), child murder (Brokenstar's reign, Snowkit, Etc), war, the death of souls, incels manipulating, possessing, and attempting murder, and the detriment of religion, etc, I think that a a gay cat relationship isn't really going to be that controversial -- and if it is, then that's the problem of that specific reader, not of LGBTQ+ characters. Lastly, most children have a median age of discovering their romantic identities between 10-13, which falls in that reading age range. By confirming to those children that those feelings are normal and are not controversial, it creates more acceptance and a healthier mindset + mental health, while also normalizing it for non-lgbtq+ kids. It's, simply put, a benefit to child development and empathy. But yes of course, to each their own opinion. Happy to drop it Now the book: I'm wondering if Splashtail is going to try and get his nine lives, and also where Frostpaw will hide out. I'm guessing she'll stay in Thunderclan? I'd prefer her to go to Windclan though because otherwise we'd have three Thunderclan perspectives as opposed to the now two that we have. Granted, both are pretty different but I still don't want three thunderclan PoVs again.
I would also be very surprised if Wafflepaw became a medicine cat, he seems too interested in being a Warrior apprentice tbh. I'd prefer him to be one, but please send him to Riverclan, just don't make him leader. I would not be able to take Wafflestar seriously.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Nov 9, 2023 13:52:00 GMT -5
I don't agree with the statement that homosexual behaviors are found in almost all species, I think the behavior a lot of species display that might be mistaken for homosexuality is done for a difference reason such as to show dominance. And straight couples aren't as controversial as LGBTQ+ couples, which is why I don't think they should be in books geared towards younger audiences. Anyway, I don't want to start an argument or hijack this thread or anything, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. -snip- Now the book: I'm wondering if Splashtail is going to try and get his nine lives, and also where Frostpaw will hide out. I'm guessing she'll stay in Thunderclan? I'd prefer her to go to Windclan though because otherwise we'd have three Thunderclan perspectives as opposed to the now two that we have. Granted, both are pretty different but I still don't want three thunderclan PoVs again.
I would also be very surprised if Wafflepaw became a medicine cat, he seems too interested in being a Warrior apprentice tbh. I'd prefer him to be one, but please send him to Riverclan, just don't make him leader. I would not be able to take Wafflestar seriously. The Wind blurb already spoiled that Frostpaw will seek refuge in ShadowClan: Kind of a wasted opportunity to either bring all of the protagonists together into ThunderClan for one book or give WindClan some relevance by letting Frostpaw hide out there instead and further develop her friendship with Whistlepaw, in my opinion.
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Post by کیوان on Nov 9, 2023 16:20:34 GMT -5
Yeah, what's up with that? It makes next to no sense for Frostpaw to go to a Clan where there's literally nobody who's ready to support her save for, I don't know, Shadowsight. ThunderClan has the other two protags, WindClan has Whistlepaw, and SkyClan isn't one of the main targets for going to war. There has better be a good reason for this, and it better not be something along the lines of Tigerstar trying to be nice. He's a uckers. I'm sorry.
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