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Post by minnowfur on Oct 28, 2023 22:36:22 GMT -5
I wonder what happened to him
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Post by کیوان on Oct 28, 2023 22:58:00 GMT -5
It has been said that Frostkit predicted his death. If the new book is anything to go by, I suspect murder.
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 29, 2023 2:12:44 GMT -5
It has been said that Frostkit predicted his death. If the new book is anything to go by, I suspect murder. Got me thinking if Curlfeather, or perhaps Duskfur, Podlight, or Splashtail, had something to do with it to allow Frostpaw to become a medicine cat.
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Post by dahliadove - #1 nightpelt fan on Oct 29, 2023 2:45:21 GMT -5
It has been said that Frostkit predicted his death. If the new book is anything to go by, I suspect murder. Got me thinking if Curlfeather, or perhaps Duskfur, Podlight, or Splashtail, had something to do with it to allow Frostpaw to become a medicine cat. It'd actually be sick if Curlfeather murked her mate so she could manipulate her infant daughter. Genuinely that would be such a cool twist
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 29, 2023 10:56:15 GMT -5
“Nonsense, you’ll be fine,” Curlfeather responded, brushing her tail along Frostpaw’s side. “Haven’t we always known that you're special? Hasn't StarClan chosen you to be a medicine cat for RiverClan?” “Do you think they really have?” Frostpaw breathed out. “Of course they have. Remember how you dreamed about Jayclaw leaving you alone in camp? And then he died a few days later?” Curlfeather's voice softened for a moment as she spoke about her mate, Frostpaw’s father. Frostpaw ducked her head. She’d been too young when Jayclaw died to remember much about her father, but sometimes she wondered how her life might be different if he had lived. Would her mother be so protective of Frostpaw and her littermates? ~ River, Chapter 2 Oh....oh no..... Thunder spoilers: Wouldn't be surprised if Curlfeather murdered Jayclaw too, in order to give Frostpaw the idea that her dreams were special and she's meant to become a medicine cat.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Oct 29, 2023 12:15:53 GMT -5
I can definitely see Curlfeather having something to do with Jayclaw's death. But even if she didn't, I can't wait for Frostpaw to interact with her mother in the Dark Forest. Or with her father in StarClan. Either way, both interactions would reveal a lot. Although the latter would be better for Frostpaw's mental health/wellbeing, I'm sure.
Sure is interesting how the mother-daughter relationship dynamic between Curlfeather and Frostpaw has now shifted. Previously, people praised Curlfeather for how supportive and protective she was over Frostpaw. But now that relationship has been given a much darker spin. Can't wait to see Curlfeather again. Hoping she gets one of the two remaining prologues for this arc. And Splashtail gets the other one. Berryheart already had the one for Shadow.
Although I do think it's a bit overkill that some people are now already saying that she played up her screams of agony (while being literally ripped apart by dogs) to traumatize her daughter beyond her death or that she never loved her kits or mate to begin with. The former is most definitely not true. As for the latter, we'll just have to wait and see since there's a lack of insight/info on Curlfeather's motivations besides her wanting leadership. That said, villain characters can still love their family members but hurt them nontheless or even love them in a twisted way to begin with. Of course, this is in no way meant to excuse Curlfeather's actions or behaviour, just some food for thought.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Oct 29, 2023 12:37:26 GMT -5
If she did end up killing Jayclaw (wow talk about planning ahead; how long were Splash and Curl planning this for?) then her being a Border Guardian is out of the question.
Mistystar could be chalked up to dying of old age but with how sudden it was, maybe Curlfeather had something to do with her too? Seems a little coincidental that they killed Reedwhisker just as Mistystar was dying. They couldn't have known that Mistystar was about to die.
Did Curlfeather put Frostpaw in place knowing that there would be a power vacuum in order for her to manipulate Frost into giving her leadership?
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Oct 29, 2023 13:00:57 GMT -5
Did Curlfeather put Frostpaw in place knowing that there would be a power vacuum in order for her to manipulate Frost into giving her leadership? These parts from the Thunder spoiler thread (on page 16 of the thread, chapter 19) makes it very obvious that Curlfeather put Frostpaw up to be a medicine cat so she could become Curlstar with her aid. And, I mean, they were on the way to get Curlfeather her nine lives at the end of River when the dogs came and ripped her to shreds. So her plan would've worked out perfectly if it wasn't for that. And this part (from the same chapter and section) implies but not yet confirms that Splashtail could've easily turned on Curlfeather and used the dogs to get rid of her so he could be leader instead. WindClan said they found prey bones on their territory near the place were Curlfeather died afterwards so it could certainly have been a Tigerstar I or Ashfur situation where they used prey to lure dogs somewhere to get rid of someone.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Oct 29, 2023 13:22:15 GMT -5
Did Curlfeather put Frostpaw in place knowing that there would be a power vacuum in order for her to manipulate Frost into giving her leadership? These parts from the Thunder spoiler thread (on page 16 of the thread, chapter 19) makes it very obvious that Curlfeather put Frostpaw up to be a medicine cat so she could become Curlstar with her aid. And, I mean, they were on the way to get Curlfeather her nine lives at the end of River when the dogs came and ripped her to shreds. So her plan would've worked out perfectly if it wasn't for that. And this part (from the same chapter and section) implies but not yet confirms that Splashtail could've easily turned on Curlfeather and used the dogs to get rid of her so he could be leader instead. WindClan said they found prey bones on their territory near the place were Curlfeather died afterwards so it could certainly have been a Tigerstar I or Ashfur situation where they used prey to lure dogs somewhere to get rid of someone. I know that Curlfeather put Frostpaw into that position so that Frost (and Mothwing) would be the ultimate authority of who picks the next leader.
The question was if Curlfeather knew that Mistystar would die in that moment, and if a power vacuum would occur, which seems likely.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Oct 29, 2023 13:44:23 GMT -5
These parts from the Thunder spoiler thread (on page 16 of the thread, chapter 19) makes it very obvious that Curlfeather put Frostpaw up to be a medicine cat so she could become Curlstar with her aid. And, I mean, they were on the way to get Curlfeather her nine lives at the end of River when the dogs came and ripped her to shreds. So her plan would've worked out perfectly if it wasn't for that. And this part (from the same chapter and section) implies but not yet confirms that Splashtail could've easily turned on Curlfeather and used the dogs to get rid of her so he could be leader instead. WindClan said they found prey bones on their territory near the place were Curlfeather died afterwards so it could certainly have been a Tigerstar I or Ashfur situation where they used prey to lure dogs somewhere to get rid of someone. I know that Curlfeather put Frostpaw into that position so that Frost (and Mothwing) would be the ultimate authority of who picks the next leader.
The question was if Curlfeather knew that Mistystar would die in that moment, and if a power vacuum would occur, which seems likely. Ah, I see. But the way that part of your post got worded made me think you weren't aware that your question was indeed fully confirmed in Thunder. Seems that I misread that, sorry about this. As for your question (now that I finally get it lol), Mistystar was very old and it looks like she died of a heart attack or stroke (although Duskfur had been stressing he out before that and it was suspected that she was part of the RiverClan conspiracy as well, which could still be the case, we'll see).
So no, I don't think that Curlfeather knew Mistystar would die basically near the same time as her son (or shortly afterwards since the patrol Reedwhisker was on had not returned yet when she died). But she must've known there would be a power vacuum if Reedwhisker died and that Mistystar would die eventually due to her age.
But like, even if Mistystar had lived after Reedwhisker's death, she would've not made Curlfeather her deputy. Since she never had an apprentice iirc.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 29, 2023 17:44:12 GMT -5
It's possible that Curlfeather knew that Jayclaw would be against her plans to manipulate Frostpaw to become leader, so she murdered him and lied about Frostpaw predicting it, since Frostpaw was never meant to be a medicine cat. I really hope its confirmed in Wind.
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Post by *Faith* on Oct 30, 2023 19:57:47 GMT -5
I wonder if he knew what his mate was doing. Would he be for it or against it? It would be messed up if he was also in the DF. I'd feel even worse for Frostpaw if that was the case. Hopefully the remaining two books reveal his fate.
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Post by NightFrostSun on Oct 31, 2023 7:55:14 GMT -5
I think it is pretty much a given that Curlfeather killed him or orchestrated his death.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 31, 2023 13:27:14 GMT -5
I’m more inclined to say that Curlfeather did not kill Jayclaw, but that whatever happened to him is what motivated her to want to seize leadership control, and the fact that Frostpaw’s nightmare “predicted” his death was just a coincidence that she exploited for her newly formed plan.
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Post by oatwhisker on Nov 1, 2023 18:49:30 GMT -5
get behind me curlfeather i'll protect you /ref
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