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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 27, 2023 18:32:01 GMT -5
So far, what are your thoughts on the plot of the book? How are you liking it? Is there anything you wish was different?
P.S-- Once Spine is done posting summaries, I will update the title to say 'Thoughts on Thunder spoilers (Spoilers, obviously)'
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Oct 27, 2023 18:48:25 GMT -5
Surprisingly not that bad, at least with the 3 protags.
Would have been better if the Erins had just killed off Squirrelflight so she didn't hog half the book imo
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Oct 27, 2023 18:53:55 GMT -5
So excited to read Thunder myself! But sadly, my copy of it (and the new guide) will only arrive in the mail like mid-November. Chapter 9, which revealed that Squirrelflight is now Squirrelstar, is still my favorite one so far. Not because I'm a fan of her becoming leader, because even though I am still fan of her, I want her to retire just like Brambleclaw has instead, but rather because of the interesting Gathering scene. I just love Gatherings in this series so much, for some reason lol.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Oct 27, 2023 19:12:53 GMT -5
The whole thing about Frostpaw getting supposedly spayed in chapter seven. It just seemed out of nowhere, especially because of the lore states that cats that have the procedure don't make good warriors. Realistically, there would be no reason to spay a cat that was so close to death anyway. And it's a major procedure even though it's routine (not as much as for males because what has to be removed is on the outside), so she wouldn't just be able to get up and walk away. The only reason I can think of is that there was something already wrong that would have prevented her from having kits or made her very sick or someone else then started getting sick from a reproductive issue that they didn't realize could be solved by spaying, but right now considering she's just having horrible event over horrible event, it seems like something else to cause her misery when she finds out. As much as I'd like how the plot is going, I really don't like how she's a punching bag in general. It would be better if there was a little bit in between, and I know there's the friendship with Nightheart, but it just doesn't feel like enough.
I really hope that we find out who the new leader is soon, as well. It's getting frustrating just dragging it out over and over and over again. I think it's fine if it's revealed in the final chapters because it's going to be well before it can be implemented anyway, but as much as I'm looking forward to the reveal, it's hard waiting six books for it, if that's how long it takes. I'd rather have the leader a bit earlier and then focus on more changes to the warrior code that seems to be coming. But at least it seems to be narrowed down to either Frostpaw (who I doubt will take the position due to being the wrong age and being interested in being a medicine cat again now that her visions are real), Nightheart (which is a mountain of issues unless there's some changes to the code or something) or Icewing. Those are the only three characters that have really gotten development that could be candidates and Splashtail and Owlnose don't count (some returning Cats of the Park could too but that's a bit too fast to develop that much) and considering Curlfeather was the only character that got development before she was supposed to become leader, it makes sense that it would be one of those. So at least there's some possible answers but there's still more questions.
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Post by iceheart on Oct 27, 2023 20:28:50 GMT -5
The ending was pretty predictable, but it's odd knowing the entire family is in on it. Podlight at the Gathering says he has the same dream/vision that Frostpaw had, instead Riverstar tells him that they need to make RiverClan strong. So looks like the entire family is in on it. And Duskfur is also looking to be evil, too. I'm really upset Tigerheart didn't get challenged again. What's the point of the new warrior code if Berryheart can challenge him and then Tigerheart can just exile her? He's never going to be touched. He's untouchable. And it sucked that Puddleshine looked like he was for it, then a page later he was like "nah, I just hate how this is in the warrior code." It's unbelievable. I can't stand the Tigerheart bootlicking in this book.
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 27, 2023 20:37:32 GMT -5
The ending was pretty predictable, but it's odd knowing the entire family is in on it. Podlight at the Gathering says he has the same dream/vision that Frostpaw had, instead Riverstar tells him that they need to make RiverClan strong. So looks like the entire family is in on it. And Duskfur is also looking to be evil, too. I'm really upset Tigerheart didn't get challenged again. What's the point of the new warrior code if Berryheart can challenge him and then Tigerheart can just exile her? He's never going to be touched. He's untouchable. And it sucked that Puddleshine looked like he was for it, then a page later he was like "nah, I just hate how this is in the warrior code." It's unbelievable. I can't stand the Tigerheart bootlicking in this book. Would you mind explaining the ending in DM or somewhere? I know bits and pieces but not the whole thing and this has piqued my interest. My copy doesn't arrive Monday, lol. That is if you're fine with it, of course.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Oct 27, 2023 20:43:07 GMT -5
The ending was pretty predictable, but it's odd knowing the entire family is in on it. Podlight at the Gathering says he has the same dream/vision that Frostpaw had, instead Riverstar tells him that they need to make RiverClan strong. So looks like the entire family is in on it. And Duskfur is also looking to be evil, too. I'm really upset Tigerheart didn't get challenged again. What's the point of the new warrior code if Berryheart can challenge him and then Tigerheart can just exile her? He's never going to be touched. He's untouchable. And it sucked that Puddleshine looked like he was for it, then a page later he was like "nah, I just hate how this is in the warrior code." It's unbelievable. I can't stand the Tigerheart bootlicking in this book. I'm going to wait for Spinestar's summary but ffs, I'm hating how this is going already. Did Berryheart even do anything deserving of an exile or did she just challenge him publicly and he got offended? Figures vote-of-no-confidence wouldn't work...
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Post by iceheart on Oct 27, 2023 20:45:58 GMT -5
The ending was pretty predictable, but it's odd knowing the entire family is in on it. Podlight at the Gathering says he has the same dream/vision that Frostpaw had, instead Riverstar tells him that they need to make RiverClan strong. So looks like the entire family is in on it. And Duskfur is also looking to be evil, too. I'm really upset Tigerheart didn't get challenged again. What's the point of the new warrior code if Berryheart can challenge him and then Tigerheart can just exile her? He's never going to be touched. He's untouchable. And it sucked that Puddleshine looked like he was for it, then a page later he was like "nah, I just hate how this is in the warrior code." It's unbelievable. I can't stand the Tigerheart bootlicking in this book. I'm going to wait for Spinestar's summary but ffs, I'm hating how this is going already. Did Berryheart even do anything deserving of an exile or did she just challenge him publicly and he got offended? Figures vote-of-no-confidence wouldn't work... Well, she did yell at Sunbeam, but Tigerheart didn't exile her for that. He exiled her for jumping on the Great Oak and announcing that she wanted Tigerheart gone because of his presence in RiverClan. It's ridiculous that this is part of the warrior code now, and we COULD'VE seen it happen, but because Tigerheart is the editor's precious pet, he will get away with no consequences whatsoever. It's not like Tigerheart exiled Berryheart for endangering the lives of Nightheart/Fringewhisker, plotting against him in RiverClan, etc. He exiled her for... uh... announcing she wanted him gone.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 27, 2023 20:48:32 GMT -5
I'm going to wait for Spinestar's summary but ffs, I'm hating how this is going already. Did Berryheart even do anything deserving of an exile or did she just challenge him publicly and he got offended? Figures vote-of-no-confidence wouldn't work... Well, she did yell at Sunbeam, but Tigerheart didn't exile her for that. He exiled her for jumping on the Great Oak and announcing that she wanted Tigerheart gone because of his presence in RiverClan. It's ridiculous that this is part of the warrior code now, and we COULD'VE seen it happen, but because Tigerheart is the editor's precious pet, he will get away with no consequences whatsoever. It's not like Tigerheart exiled Berryheart for endangering the lives of Nightheart/Fringewhisker, plotting against him in RiverClan, etc. He exiled her for... uh... announcing she wanted him gone. Bruh
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Post by Poppysong on Oct 27, 2023 20:51:11 GMT -5
I'm going to wait for Spinestar's summary but ffs, I'm hating how this is going already. Did Berryheart even do anything deserving of an exile or did she just challenge him publicly and he got offended? Figures vote-of-no-confidence wouldn't work... Well, she did yell at Sunbeam, but Tigerheart didn't exile her for that. He exiled her for jumping on the Great Oak and announcing that she wanted Tigerheart gone because of his presence in RiverClan. It's ridiculous that this is part of the warrior code now, and we COULD'VE seen it happen, but because Tigerheart is the editor's precious pet, he will get away with no consequences whatsoever. It's not like Tigerheart exiled Berryheart for endangering the lives of Nightheart/Fringewhisker, plotting against him in RiverClan, etc. He exiled her for... uh... announcing she wanted him gone. Wait so did Berryheart talk about the new rule for leaders or did she just demand Tigerstar step down
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Post by iceheart on Oct 27, 2023 20:52:27 GMT -5
Well, she did yell at Sunbeam, but Tigerheart didn't exile her for that. He exiled her for jumping on the Great Oak and announcing that she wanted Tigerheart gone because of his presence in RiverClan. It's ridiculous that this is part of the warrior code now, and we COULD'VE seen it happen, but because Tigerheart is the editor's precious pet, he will get away with no consequences whatsoever. It's not like Tigerheart exiled Berryheart for endangering the lives of Nightheart/Fringewhisker, plotting against him in RiverClan, etc. He exiled her for... uh... announcing she wanted him gone. Wait so did Berryheart talk about the new rule for leaders or did she just demand Tigerstar step down? She DID reference the new code. That's the thing. She DID. And she still got exiled anyway. I hate Berryheart as much as the next person, trust me, she's terrible, but she got exiled for wanting to put the new warrior code in place!
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Post by Poppysong on Oct 27, 2023 20:55:52 GMT -5
She DID reference the new code. That's the thing. She DID. And she still got exiled anyway. I hate Berryheart as much as the next person, trust me, she's terrible, but she got exiled for wanting to put the new warrior code in place! So that's why she got exiled? Seriously? Not because of Fringewhisker/Nightheart? Just because she disagreed with Tigerstar? That is absurd. Tigerstar is horrible. Did she demand that ShadowClan agree with her?
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Oct 27, 2023 20:55:59 GMT -5
I'm going to wait for Spinestar's summary but ffs, I'm hating how this is going already. Did Berryheart even do anything deserving of an exile or did she just challenge him publicly and he got offended? Figures vote-of-no-confidence wouldn't work... Well, she did yell at Sunbeam, but Tigerheart didn't exile her for that. He exiled her for jumping on the Great Oak and announcing that she wanted Tigerheart gone because of his presence in RiverClan. It's ridiculous that this is part of the warrior code now, and we COULD'VE seen it happen, but because Tigerheart is the editor's precious pet, he will get away with no consequences whatsoever. It's not like Tigerheart exiled Berryheart for endangering the lives of Nightheart/Fringewhisker, plotting against him in RiverClan, etc. He exiled her for... uh... announcing she wanted him gone. ...so she gets exiled... not because she attacked someone... not because of a failed coup... but because Tigerheart got offended at being called out by one of his own. Zero attempt at compromise. I retract my earlier "surprisingly good" statement. It's Mediocre. At best. And I stand by my earlier statement in that the Erins are cowards. Tigerheart and Squirrelflight are their golden children and nothing bad will ever happen to them. Their leaderships will be amazing and they will always be in the right.
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Post by iceheart on Oct 27, 2023 21:00:36 GMT -5
I want to clarify what I said. Basically, Berryheart announced she wanted Tigerheart taken down, and after Puddleshine says to her, "I only agreed that you [Tigerheart] should be removed so the Clans could see how easily this new part of the code could be used by a single cat with a grudge. And how easily it could destabilize a whole Clan. Every cat knows Tigerheart is a loyal ShadowClan warrior and a just leader. And yet Berryheart is allowed to question his position simply because she disagrees with one decision." Berryheart says she'd rather live as a rogue. Tigerheart tells her that's what she should do, and then, so the editors know that Tigerheart "didn't exile her," she says, "I'll leave of my own free will." Sparrowtail goes with her, I believe.
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Post by کیوان on Oct 27, 2023 21:02:06 GMT -5
Well, apart from the reason Berryheart gets exiled (huge bruh moment), I am fond of how this book turned out, with the main characters developing in their own way. I still have hope for the series, even if Tigerheart and Squirrelflight want to be poster children.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 27, 2023 21:02:44 GMT -5
I want to clarify what I said. Basically, Berryheart announced she wanted Tigerheart taken down, and after Puddleshine says to her, "I only agreed that you [Tigerheart] should be removed so the Clans could see how easily this new part of the code could be used by a single cat with a grudge. And how easily it could destabilize a whole Clan. Every cat knows Tigerheart is a loyal ShadowClan warrior and a just leader. And yet Berryheart is allowed to question his position simply because she disagrees with one decision." Berryheart says she'd rather live as a rogue. Tigerheart tells her that's what she should do, and then, so the editors know that Tigerheart "didn't exile her," she says, "I'll leave of my own free will." Sparrowtail goes with her, I believe. Ah, so I guess here we have another little blurb inaccuracy, huh? Like the one with Darkness Within's blurb.
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Post by iceheart on Oct 27, 2023 21:04:14 GMT -5
I want to clarify what I said. Basically, Berryheart announced she wanted Tigerheart taken down, and after Puddleshine says to her, "I only agreed that you [Tigerheart] should be removed so the Clans could see how easily this new part of the code could be used by a single cat with a grudge. And how easily it could destabilize a whole Clan. Every cat knows Tigerheart is a loyal ShadowClan warrior and a just leader. And yet Berryheart is allowed to question his position simply because she disagrees with one decision." Berryheart says she'd rather live as a rogue. Tigerheart tells her that's what she should do, and then, so the editors know that Tigerheart "didn't exile her," she says, "I'll leave of my own free will." Sparrowtail goes with her, I believe. Ah, so I guess here we have another little blurb inaccuracy, huh? Like the one with Darkness Within's blurb. She's still exiled. The editors can phrase it all they want. She can say, "I'll leave of my own free will," but read the chapter. She's literally exiled. The editors just want to make it look like so Tigerheart's in the right here and trying not to make him look like Ashfur in Bramblestar's body.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 27, 2023 21:05:06 GMT -5
Ah, so I guess here we have another little blurb inaccuracy, huh? Like the one with Darkness Within's blurb. She's still exiled. The editors can phrase it all they want. She can say, "I'll leave of my own free will," but read the chapter. She's literally exiled. The editors just want to make it look like so Tigerheart's in the right here and trying not to make him look like Ashfur in Bramblestar's body. Sorry, I misread what you said.
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Post by کیوان on Oct 27, 2023 21:07:19 GMT -5
Now that I know iceheart knows the answers, I'm tempted to push for more details. But I have self-control, so I'll wait for Spinestar to finish their synopses.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 27, 2023 21:07:43 GMT -5
Now that I know iceheart knows the answers, I'm tempted to push for more details. But I have self-control, so I'll wait for Spinestar to finish their synopses. Couple days at best till he's done.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Oct 27, 2023 21:08:16 GMT -5
I want to clarify what I said. Basically, Berryheart announced she wanted Tigerheart taken down, and after Puddleshine says to her, "I only agreed that you [Tigerheart] should be removed so the Clans could see how easily this new part of the code could be used by a single cat with a grudge. And how easily it could destabilize a whole Clan. Every cat knows Tigerheart is a loyal ShadowClan warrior and a just leader. And yet Berryheart is allowed to question his position simply because she disagrees with one decision." Berryheart says she'd rather live as a rogue. Tigerheart tells her that's what she should do, and then, so the editors know that Tigerheart "didn't exile her," she says, "I'll leave of my own free will." Sparrowtail goes with her, I believe. Thanks for clarifying at least. So she kind-of-sorta gets exiled.
As I said in previous threads, the new code doesn't work when the leader has the med cats in their corner, of which the approval of the med cats are required to force a leader to step down.
And with Puddleshine calling Tigerheart "just"? He sees nothing wrong with what his leader's done.
The only leader the new code would work against would be Brokenstar at this point but he's been deader than dead for years now😭
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Post by کیوان on Oct 27, 2023 21:10:49 GMT -5
Ok, but this whole things just got complicated. Neither Berryheart nor Tigerheart are completely in the right here, so I'm wondering how the two will be handled going into the future. Man, there's so much to juggle here!
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 27, 2023 21:15:09 GMT -5
I'm liking it so far, but iceheart, this is the second time you've basically taken over spoiling an upcoming book while someone else was already giving out summaries. I don't know, it just seems kinda disrespectful to the other person, especially when we're almost at the end anyway, but maybe it's just me. But if what what you say is true, then... yeah, at this point, anything Tigerstar does just doesn't faze me at all. Can Leafstar kill him already?
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Post by کیوان on Oct 27, 2023 21:17:36 GMT -5
Imma be real, iceheart : I'm with 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on this one. I wasn't too fond of how the hype for RH was killed before we got to the Park Cat arc, and, I don't know, feel it's better if the crowd learns new info and discusses it together.
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Post by iceheart on Oct 27, 2023 21:18:23 GMT -5
Honestly didn't mean to. I don't check the spoiler threads for various reasons. Sorry about that.
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Post by Jaysnow on Oct 27, 2023 21:20:15 GMT -5
It's probably some on me, too. I should have waited until the other thread was done before setting up this one. Sorry about that...
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Post by کیوان on Oct 27, 2023 21:20:31 GMT -5
Honestly didn't mean to. I don't check the spoiler threads for various reasons. Sorry about that. And that's fair, I respect it. Just be more courteous for those of us who rely on the megathreads to get info, especially since this isn't the first time this has happened.
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Post by کیوان on Oct 27, 2023 21:21:37 GMT -5
It's probably some on me, too. I should have waited until the other thread was done before setting up this one. Sorry about that... You're good, people were already discussing things like whether she should be named Squilf or Squish and stuff like that.
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Post by 𓆩♡𓆪Moonshine𓆩♡𓆪 on Oct 27, 2023 21:25:15 GMT -5
It's probably some on me, too. I should have waited until the other thread was done before setting up this one. Sorry about that... P.S-- Once Spine is done posting summaries, I will update the title to say 'Thoughts on Thunder spoilers (Spoilers, obviously)'
I don't think this one is on you Jay. You did give a warning. I shouldn't have asked any questions, even rhetorical ones...
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Post by stupidflower on Oct 27, 2023 21:32:09 GMT -5
Honestly didn't mean to. I don't check the spoiler threads for various reasons. Sorry about that. It's ok iceheart, you were just trying to help and share with everyone.
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