Asexual
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Slightdapple
✨your local book nerd ✨
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Sunbeam
Apr 22, 2023 16:14:37 GMT -5
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Post by Slightdapple on Apr 22, 2023 16:14:37 GMT -5
What do you think about her? Shadow spoilers!
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 22, 2023 16:15:47 GMT -5
Very much neutral, not a fan of her arc being so love-focused so far.
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Sunbeam
Apr 22, 2023 16:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 16:20:04 GMT -5
She’s my favorite character! Go Sunbeam!
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Sunbeam
Apr 22, 2023 16:49:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 16:49:03 GMT -5
Love.
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Sunbeam
Apr 22, 2023 17:17:04 GMT -5
Post by Flora ❧ on Apr 22, 2023 17:17:04 GMT -5
She's just another Bristlefrost, nothing too special.
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Asexual
#07B04C
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Sunbeam
Apr 22, 2023 17:42:22 GMT -5
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Apr 22, 2023 17:42:22 GMT -5
Love her. Sunbeam'd personality is great imo and shew my favorite character in this arc so far.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 22, 2023 22:16:04 GMT -5
She has nothing going for her aside from a role as a straight man, in which she's serviceable 3/4 of the time, but it doesn't make her anything more than functional. The most unique thing about her is that her romantic life is probably the worst disaster in quite a while. Her first boyfriend more or less cheats on her, and the second is an indecisive mess who dumps her at the altar the second he receives a kind word from Bramblestar. I'm shocked she puts up with it, and I hope she breaks up with Nightheart. I'm honestly mildly surprised the fandom hasn't girlbossified her and made a hundred fanworks where she kills Blazefire.
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Sunbeam
Apr 22, 2023 23:19:19 GMT -5
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Apr 22, 2023 23:19:19 GMT -5
She has nothing going for her aside from a role as a straight man, in which she's serviceable 3/4 of the time, but it doesn't make her anything more than functional. The most unique thing about her is that her romantic life is probably the worst disaster in quite a while. Her first boyfriend more or less cheats on her, and the second is an indecisive mess who dumps her at the altar the second he receives a kind word from Bramblestar. I'm shocked she puts up with it, and I hope she breaks up with Nightheart. I'm honestly mildly surprised the fandom hasn't girlbossified her and made a hundred fanworks where she kills Blazefire. The fandom is even worse off than I thought, if there's a real possibility that it may consider "seething murderous ex" to be "girlboss" material. Is Sleekwhisker commonly considered girlboss material?
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Sunbeam
Apr 22, 2023 23:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by Midnightcacoon loves Sunbeam on Apr 22, 2023 23:54:18 GMT -5
I am her number one fan, I just really love her personality and how she interacts with the world. Very fun <333
Honestly my favorite protagonist ever
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Sunbeam
Apr 23, 2023 6:19:51 GMT -5
Post by Twilight Sparkle on Apr 23, 2023 6:19:51 GMT -5
I love her. Easily my favorite ASC protagonist.
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Bisexual
#FF00EC
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Finally reading Wind!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 23, 2023 6:40:02 GMT -5
I like Sunbeam but have to agree with 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 that her storyline is just very focused on romance so far. I do think she still has potential as a character though, mostly in regards to her relationship dynamic with her mother Berryheart hopefully being explored further as well as possibly her friendship with Lightleap. I'm really hoping that her character arc, characterization and development will not continue to seemingly mostly revolve around the toms she is interested in (Blazefire) or who are interested in her (Nightheart).
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Bisexual
#FF00EC
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Finally reading Wind!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 23, 2023 6:45:50 GMT -5
She has nothing going for her aside from a role as a straight man, in which she's serviceable 3/4 of the time, but it doesn't make her anything more than functional. The most unique thing about her is that her romantic life is probably the worst disaster in quite a while. Her first boyfriend more or less cheats on her, and the second is an indecisive mess who dumps her at the altar the second he receives a kind word from Bramblestar. I'm shocked she puts up with it, and I hope she breaks up with Nightheart. I'm honestly mildly surprised the fandom hasn't girlbossified her and made a hundred fanworks where she kills Blazefire. The fandom is even worse off than I thought, if there's a real possibility that it may consider "seething murderous ex" to be "girlboss" material. Is Sleekwhisker commonly considered girlboss material? Yes, Sleekwhisker has indeed been turned into a girlboss by parts of the fandom. But I'm not exactly sure what this has to do with her, considering that she's not a "seething murderous ex" (not even if her alleged crush on Darktail is taken into consideration) and she's instead moreso a "spoiled brat who whined about her life being ruined by Rowanstar but seemingly forgot about her own eagerness to join the Kin and badmouth the Clans, then did not even manage to kill him without help like the henchwoman sidekick she'll always be".
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Sunbeam
Apr 23, 2023 21:56:48 GMT -5
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Apr 23, 2023 21:56:48 GMT -5
The fandom is even worse off than I thought, if there's a real possibility that it may consider "seething murderous ex" to be "girlboss" material. Is Sleekwhisker commonly considered girlboss material? Yes, Sleekwhisker has indeed been turned into a girlboss by parts of the fandom. But I'm not exactly sure what this has to do with her, considering that she's not a "seething murderous ex" (not even if her alleged crush on Darktail is taken into consideration) and she's instead moreso a "spoiled brat who whined about her life being ruined by Rowanstar but seemingly forgot about her own eagerness to join the Kin and badmouth the Clans, then did not even manage to kill him without help like the henchwoman sidekick she'll always be". The connection was "seething and becoming murderous over incredibly petty reasons". Sleekwhisker was pretty much the first cat that came to mind after vec said "surprised the fanbase didn't draw her killing Blazefire epic style"
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Bisexual
#FF00EC
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Finally reading Wind!
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Sunbeam
Apr 24, 2023 2:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 24, 2023 2:35:37 GMT -5
Yes, Sleekwhisker has indeed been turned into a girlboss by parts of the fandom. But I'm not exactly sure what this has to do with her, considering that she's not a "seething murderous ex" (not even if her alleged crush on Darktail is taken into consideration) and she's instead moreso a "spoiled brat who whined about her life being ruined by Rowanstar but seemingly forgot about her own eagerness to join the Kin and badmouth the Clans, then did not even manage to kill him without help like the henchwoman sidekick she'll always be". The connection was "seething and becoming murderous over incredibly petty reasons". Sleekwhisker was pretty much the first cat that came to mind after vec said "surprised the fanbase didn't draw her killing Blazefire epic style" I see. My focus had been moreso on the "ex" part of that description as well as the previous convo about the possibility of Sunbeam's heartbreak turning her to murder so that's why I was not sure what Sleekwhisker had to do with it considering her motivation was rather different. But yes, Sleekwhisker herself has indeed been "girlbossfied" by parts of the fandom and is often drawn or animated to have killed Rowanstar (or sometimes even Needletail) on her own when she couldn't even manage that in canon, instead of portraying her actual henchwoman/sidekick self.
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Sunbeam
Apr 24, 2023 23:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by nowarriornameshere on Apr 24, 2023 23:07:55 GMT -5
The connection was "seething and becoming murderous over incredibly petty reasons". Sleekwhisker was pretty much the first cat that came to mind after vec said "surprised the fanbase didn't draw her killing Blazefire epic style" I see. My focus had been moreso on the "ex" part of that description as well as the previous convo about the possibility of Sunbeam's heartbreak turning her to murder so that's why I was not sure what Sleekwhisker had to do with it considering her motivation was rather different. But yes, Sleekwhisker herself has indeed been "girlbossfied" by parts of the fandom and is often drawn or animated to have killed Rowanstar (or sometimes even Needletail) on her own when she couldn't even manage that in canon, instead of portraying her actual henchwoman/sidekick self. Puts the "slay" in "yas qween slay", I suppose. Now I almost regret that Sleekwhisker never had children so she could be a literal queen.
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Bisexual
#FF00EC
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Finally reading Wind!
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Sunbeam
Apr 25, 2023 2:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Apr 25, 2023 2:00:48 GMT -5
I see. My focus had been moreso on the "ex" part of that description as well as the previous convo about the possibility of Sunbeam's heartbreak turning her to murder so that's why I was not sure what Sleekwhisker had to do with it considering her motivation was rather different. But yes, Sleekwhisker herself has indeed been "girlbossfied" by parts of the fandom and is often drawn or animated to have killed Rowanstar (or sometimes even Needletail) on her own when she couldn't even manage that in canon, instead of portraying her actual henchwoman/sidekick self. Puts the "slay" in "yas qween slay", I suppose. Now I almost regret that Sleekwhisker never had children so she could be a literal queen. I have an AU were she had kits with Darktail lol. There she ran off after he died while expecting his kits who later on want to join the Clans. Sleekwhisker tries to be a "gaslight gatekeep girlboss" here but still fails at it lmao. Could have been interesting in canon...
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Post by αɳσɱαʅყ on Apr 25, 2023 6:10:54 GMT -5
I like her. I don't think it's necessarily bad to have a female character's story focus on romance in itself. I think there are interesting ideas, with her relationship with Blazefire showing her tendency to overidealise romance (perhaps a relatable problem for he target audience of younger readers...?) despite the warning signs and Nightheart's representing a chance for the two of them to discover what it is they actually want together. They are drawn to each other for indulgent reasons (Nightheart wanting to escape ThunderClan relationships, Sunbeam trying to bounce back from romance), but they do end up becoming friends and share a genuine connection. I want to hold off on making judgements on the story for being romance-heavy because this setup is quite interesting and has the potential to develop Sunbeam as an individual, not just in relation to toms. This series doesn't have the best track record on this, so I'm keeping my expectations low but there are a few areas that make me think it can be different.
First, Sunbeam's relationship with her mother is a secondary relationship in her story that has significance. Even more notably, her mother's situation is very much entangled with the main plot of RiverClan's being occupied by ShadowClan. This means this relationship will be explored more and the conflict has to have some kind of resolution, which means Sunbeam has a non-tom related subplot already built into her story so far. Second, the way Sunbeam responds to the politics in ShadowClan is very personal and detailed. Sunbeam shows genuine curiosity about the division in her Clan, she tries to understand where cats like her mother are coming from. She is sympathetic to her non-ShadowClanborn clanmates. There's an aspect to her character that is engaged with understanding different perspectives, and it would be a real waste to not bring this up in a significant way. Not especially considering the conflict between the Clans.
There are a few kernels of potential plot developments related to Sunbeam that aren't tom-related, so this time around it's a very real possibility that this series will have a female main character who is more well-rounded and won't fall into the usual writing pitfalls. I don't have high expectations, but I think Sunbeam can be a female characters who isn't only defined in relation to toms or dropped into heavily gendered story roles.
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Asexual
#07B04C
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Apr 25, 2023 17:56:29 GMT -5
I like her. I don't think it's necessarily bad to have a female character's story focus on romance in itself. I think there are interesting ideas, with her relationship with Blazefire showing her tendency to overidealise romance (perhaps a relatable problem for he target audience of younger readers...?) despite the warning signs and Nightheart's representing a chance for the two of them to discover what it is they actually want together. They are drawn to each other for indulgent reasons (Nightheart wanting to escape ThunderClan relationships, Sunbeam trying to bounce back from romance), but they do end up becoming friends and share a genuine connection. I want to hold off on making judgements on the story for being romance-heavy because this setup is quite interesting and has the potential to develop Sunbeam as an individual, not just in relation to toms. This series doesn't have the best track record on this, so I'm keeping my expectations low but there are a few areas that make me think it can be different. First, Sunbeam's relationship with her mother is a secondary relationship in her story that has significance. Even more notably, her mother's situation is very much entangled with the main plot of RiverClan's being occupied by ShadowClan. This means this relationship will be explored more and the conflict has to have some kind of resolution, which means Sunbeam has a non-tom related subplot already built into her story so far. Second, the way Sunbeam responds to the politics in ShadowClan is very personal and detailed. Sunbeam shows genuine curiosity about the division in her Clan, she tries to understand where cats like her mother are coming from. She is sympathetic to her non-ShadowClanborn clanmates. There's an aspect to her character that is engaged with understanding different perspectives, and it would be a real waste to not bring this up in a significant way. Not especially considering the conflict between the Clans. There are a few kernels of potential plot developments related to Sunbeam that aren't tom-related, so this time around it's a very real possibility that this series will have a female main character who is more well-rounded and won't fall into the usual writing pitfalls. I don't have high expectations, but I think Sunbeam can be a female characters who isn't only defined in relation to toms or dropped into heavily gendered story roles. I completely agree with this! Sunbeam's character is really interesting outside of her romance and I really want to see where her conflicts w/ her Clan and mother play out.
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Sunbeam
Apr 25, 2023 22:58:20 GMT -5
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Apr 25, 2023 22:58:20 GMT -5
I like her, just not her romances.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Apr 25, 2023 23:44:41 GMT -5
I'd say neutral. I find her interesting and the enjoy her chapters. But she's not really the most unique POV to read.
Tbh I've been neutral on most of the newer arcs POVs lately. Though I do actually like Nightheart and find him different than most POVs.
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