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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Dec 5, 2022 15:11:43 GMT -5
just thinking about this.
there were tons of times in the series where the medicine cat relationship rule and the cross clan relationship rule should have been made legal.
medicine cat relationship rule:
leafpool. the most obvious choice to address the "medicine cats cant have a mate or kits of their own" rule being dumb. they should have addressed and gotten rid of this rule after OotS.
cross clan relationship rule: there r a few examples where i think they could have addressed and gotten rid of this rule too.
1) gray x silver: we could have stopped this forbidden relationship BS in the first arc. maybe if thunderclan and riverclan went to war over the kits, the conclusion would be to put an end to this violence and make cross clan relationships legal with a cost (switching loyalties, taking new oaths, doing the task to prove ur worth to ur new clan, etc.)
2) leaf x crow: tying in with the medicine cat rule too. this is the pairing i think that could have solved BOTH issues. its both medicine cat related AND cross clan related. this ship's conclusion could have included the clans coming together and deciding to change both rules bc of the problems it caused. this could have also happened after OotS bc thats when the whole leaf x crow thing is officially finished, with their kits having been grown and leafpools self punishment was over, etc.
3) dove x tiger: after they come back with their kits and tigerheart takes over shadowclan, tigerstar II should have initiated the talk of getting rid of the cross clan relationship rule bc of all the moons of issues it caused him and his new mate, dovewing. yes, she moved clans, but everything leading up to that caused so much turmoil that i think tigerstar II could have put the effort into convincing the other clans to finally change the rule.
all this r examples before TBC and ASC where the cross clan part of the rules is changed. so not going to include root x bristle.
now that leafpool is long gone, i doubt there will be another medicine cat incident to have them change the medicine cat rule...im surprised ASC isnt going to address that as well as the changing of the cross clan rule...they should have changed the medicine cat rule ages ago like i said...
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Dec 5, 2022 15:40:29 GMT -5
Either after LeafCrow or when TigerDove happened imo. GraySilver would have been too early in the series to already change the code since it did turn out to be a good source for drama in TNP, PoT and OotS (even though I hate both LeafCrow and TigerDove as ships and only like GraySilver because of the nostalgia of this ship).
I'm leaning more towards LeafCrow though since two of their kits are/were part of an important prophecy which could have thus helped in convincing StarClan and the living Clans to not only change the cross-Clan rule but also the medicine cat code to finally allow romantic relationships for the Clans in that regard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2022 14:58:07 GMT -5
yes
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Post by thehiddenicewolf on Dec 7, 2022 5:35:56 GMT -5
I think they should have been made legal after the truth about Leaf x Crow's kits came out considering Firestar knew how much pain giving up kits caused Yellowfang so he would have sympathised a lot with Leafpool too.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Dec 7, 2022 14:18:09 GMT -5
I think they should have been made legal after the truth about Leaf x Crow's kits came out considering Firestar knew how much pain giving up kits caused Yellowfang so he would have sympathised a lot with Leafpool too. thats a good point. i forgot that firestar knew about yellowfangs situation. he'd remember both bluestar and yellowfang's pain and not be so harsh on his daughter.
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Post by Stormwind on Dec 13, 2022 7:17:40 GMT -5
After the Darkest Hour. The clans were getting along fairly well thanks to their recent victory, and Firestar knew the pain and bloodshed that code had caused. Not just with Yellowfang, but also Graystripe and Bluestar. Plus, a lot of the crimes Tigerstar did were based in hating half clan cats. I think Firestar should have taken the chance then to suggest a rule change.
Although, it would have been interesting if they didn't immediately suggest it, and the idea was just simmering in the back of everyone's minds until a decision was actually made after the great journey.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Dec 13, 2022 13:29:20 GMT -5
After the Darkest Hour. The clans were getting along fairly well thanks to their recent victory, and Firestar knew the pain and bloodshed that code had caused. Not just with Yellowfang, but also Graystripe and Bluestar. Plus, a lot of the crimes Tigerstar did were based in hating half clan cats. I think Firestar should have taken the chance then to suggest a rule change. Although, it would have been interesting if they didn't immediately suggest it, and the idea was just simmering in the back of everyone's minds until a decision was actually made after the great journey. this is an interesting answer! it would also be up to the other leaders at this time period too, not just firestar. mistyfoot was deputy, snd she was silverstreams best friend. she herself is half clan and lost her brother and mother. mistyfoot would do a good job convincing leopardstar to help firestar change the code. not sure about tallstar or blakcstar though.
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Post by Stormwind on Dec 19, 2022 15:12:07 GMT -5
After the Darkest Hour. The clans were getting along fairly well thanks to their recent victory, and Firestar knew the pain and bloodshed that code had caused. Not just with Yellowfang, but also Graystripe and Bluestar. Plus, a lot of the crimes Tigerstar did were based in hating half clan cats. I think Firestar should have taken the chance then to suggest a rule change. Although, it would have been interesting if they didn't immediately suggest it, and the idea was just simmering in the back of everyone's minds until a decision was actually made after the great journey. this is an interesting answer! it would also be up to the other leaders at this time period too, not just firestar. mistyfoot was deputy, snd she was silverstreams best friend. she herself is half clan and lost her brother and mother. mistyfoot would do a good job convincing leopardstar to help firestar change the code. not sure about tallstar or blakcstar though. I like your additions! Leopardstar would have been super open to whatever Mistyfoot told her given her own guilt for what happened. And I think Tallstar would have been open to any idea that keeps the peace. Plus, he's besties with Firestar so why not. I can see Blackstar being the reason the code change takes so long.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Dec 19, 2022 21:54:29 GMT -5
Gray and Silver had a good set up to do it, but it was too early in the series.
I disagree with Leaf and Crow only because it's two completely different issues that I don't think can be solved at the same time. It's already hard enough to put in the mate rule in the current arc, adding the meddie rule would cause even more of an uproar. If anything that's more of a StarClan choice situation, not the clans.
When it comes to Dove and Tiger, maybe. But they did nothing to dwell on that idea of that. Tiger wasn't taking their relationship seriously, while Dove was too busy focusing on the prophecy. And by AVoS, they're not even the main focus anymore, and just ran off. So in order to solve the rule at this point, you'd probably have to rewrite a good chunk of this arc, or at least the majority of THS.
I think the best time would have been with Bristle and Root, but it's just another unfortunate circumstance, like Gray and Silver, where one of the characters dies prematurely. Nevertheless, the rule does get pushed, with Root even defending the notion, so that's good, but by this point it's quite late in the series.
If we're talking about the best opportunity but wrong time, it's Gray and Silver. If we're talking about the most optimal time but would take a LOT of rewriting, it's Dove and Tiger. If we're talking about the best solution, but way too late in the game, it's Bristle and Root. If we're talking about the one completely off the table because of bigger factor issues, it's Crow and Leaf.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 19, 2022 23:44:24 GMT -5
never. next question.
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Post by 𝚆𝚊𝚟𝚎’𝚃𝚒𝚍𝚎 on Dec 26, 2022 20:21:09 GMT -5
I honestly think that they shouldn’t be Anne’s, like-what’s gonna stop a cat from loving one another. If they get attached, they will do what ever they can to keep that relationship. But it’s dumb in a starless clan that they can join other clans by doing ‘Challenges’.
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Post by 𝚆𝚊𝚟𝚎’𝚃𝚒𝚍𝚎 on Dec 26, 2022 20:21:33 GMT -5
Banned* Srry I type really fast-
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Dec 27, 2022 1:15:06 GMT -5
Banned* Srry I type really fast- you can edit posts! Click the little wheel (“settings”) in the top right of your comment, and then click “Edit Post”.
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