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Post by Rainfire on Sept 21, 2022 23:00:26 GMT -5
What are some things in the series that are obviously meant to be seen as serious, but for whatever reason, you just CAN'T take them seriously?
One thing for me is that scene from Crookedstar's Promise where Mapleshade was pushing the ball that led to Willowbreeze getting captured. It's obviously supposed to be a suspenseful scene, but the mental image of Mapleshade oh-so-evilly rolling a ball is just too hilarious.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 21, 2022 23:15:47 GMT -5
Everything regarding Nightheart. It all seems way too contrived for me. ShadowClan in AVoS is similar too, I think, especially where Rowanstar and Tigerheart are concerned. Also, while Twigpaw is fighting Violetpaw in SS and thinking she's going to die. It's meant to be heartbreaking, but the line is just way too cringy for me to take seriously.
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Post by stupidflower on Sept 22, 2022 6:20:57 GMT -5
Bristlefrost after Stemleaf rejects her, going “I’ll never be happy again.” Not sure if we were supposed to take that seriously though. Also Storm telling Clear Sky he wasn’t greedy. Like, no, he definitely was. And Turtle Tail telling everyone to listen to River Ripple, who at that point had just been….there? No hate to him but he hadn’t done much. Both Fluttering Bird and Quiet Rain yelling at Clear Sky, especially Fluttering Bird because she probably looks like a tiny baby yelling at this adult. And maybe Moth Flight being sad about giving up her kits when LITERALLY NO ONE TOLD HER TO DO THAT, and being all like “I can’t take care of them” when there are literally so many other cats in the Clan at the time. Felt bad for the kits, not Moth Flight. Also Littlecloud being so irrationally angry at Leafpool during her StarClan trial. And finally, Jayfeather breaking his stick. Imagine someone walked by just to see their medicine cat yelling at a stick and breaking it in anger.
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Sept 22, 2022 7:58:05 GMT -5
And maybe Moth Flight being sad about giving up her kits when LITERALLY NO ONE TOLD HER TO DO THAT, and being all like “I can’t take care of them” when there are literally so many other cats in the Clan at the time. Felt bad for the kits, not Moth Flight. Actually, someone did. What do you think Micah's prophecy meant? And she did leave them with other cats as well and they still snuck out the last time she did that, to the point where Spider Paw nearly drowned and Moth Flight couldn't think of a way to save him because she was panicking until Micah told her what to do.
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Post by halogen on Sept 22, 2022 9:44:06 GMT -5
Lots of stuff concerning the Dark Forest.
Like the Ivypool Antpelt fight. Very dramatic, everyone loves making MAPs about it, but all I see is the Dark Forest being so cartoonishly evil that they want to get their loyal warrior Antpelt potentially permakilled because evil. It's ridiculous.
Or the Dark Forest being all "We will destroy the warrior code muahaha", like what do they gain from that? If they are looking for power and revenge why do they have such visceral hatred for a system of laws, the only reason seems to be that the warrior code is "good", the Dark Forest is evil so they hate everything good.
"We can magically make the vines go away with our hope and love!"
Also all of ShadowClan deciding to join up with Darktail. It made sense with the apprentices and that was an interesting plot, but there is no buildup whatsoever to all of these mature warriors suddenly deciding "we love this rogue who did nothing for us and hate Rowanstar who hasn't done much that could be offensive to us".
The Three's reaction to not being Squirrelflight's kits falls into this a bit, because the narrative didn't do a good job setting up why in the particular context of PoT-era ThunderClan it would be so taboo and horrifying to not be ThunderClan-born. Obviously prejudices don't just go away because some prominent outsiders get accepted into the Clan, but their reaction still feels more proportionate to if something like this was revealed in the arc 1 era, and then you add the being medicine cat's kits drama which falls flat because it's never explained why it's a taboo for medicine cats to have kits, there's no sense that it is horrifying to their religion or anything, and when they do give an explanation for why it's forbidden it's not one that would lead to any stigma on the kits whatsoever.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 22, 2022 10:24:11 GMT -5
Some of the “advanced” fighting moves from PO3 onward, especially those taught by the DF mentors. It’s very hard to take it seriously when I have to imagine cats basically summersaulting and backflipping as battle tactics.
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Post by Eelusion on Sept 22, 2022 10:45:02 GMT -5
Can I say Onestar's Confession as a whole?
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Bisexual
#FF00EC
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Finally reading Wind!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Sept 22, 2022 10:55:23 GMT -5
Sol as a character (pretty sure he is meant to be seen as a real threat in PoT and during one OotS book): Sasha seriously thinking that Tigerstar was handsome (in that drawing style at least):
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Post by stupidflower on Sept 22, 2022 11:42:44 GMT -5
And maybe Moth Flight being sad about giving up her kits when LITERALLY NO ONE TOLD HER TO DO THAT, and being all like “I can’t take care of them” when there are literally so many other cats in the Clan at the time. Felt bad for the kits, not Moth Flight. Actually, someone did. What do you think Micah's prophecy meant? And she did leave them with other cats as well and they still snuck out the last time she did that, to the point where Spider Paw nearly drowned and Moth Flight couldn't think of a way to save him because she was panicking until Micah told her what to do. Fair point. I forgot about Micah’ prophecy lol. Though I think Moth Flight did leave them in the care of Rocky, who is notoriously bad at taking care of children in this book.
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Post by Moonblazer on Sept 22, 2022 12:29:34 GMT -5
All of Tigerheart’s oh-so amazing “qualities” that somehow made him seem like heaven on earth even though he got up and left the clan, has consistently made stupid choices and has no basic build-up to these sudden perfect qualifications.
Tbh I can’t take any of AVOS seriously.
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Post by daurianwind on Sept 22, 2022 15:48:25 GMT -5
Most of Vision of Shadows book. Broken Code books after Silent Thaw. Onestar Confession. New novels like Redtails Debt and Spottedleafs heart.
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Post by Bristleflight-bristlefrost! on Sept 22, 2022 16:24:32 GMT -5
Firestar.
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Bisexual
#FF00EC
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Finally reading Wind!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Sept 22, 2022 16:43:38 GMT -5
As a Firestar Fan: Not saying you can't hate Firestar though. That being said, I just don't understand it.
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Post by Punkpaw on Sept 22, 2022 16:49:00 GMT -5
Spottedleaf
Cinderheart
Most romances in this series, really
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 17:52:54 GMT -5
The entirety of Starclan.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Sept 22, 2022 19:46:32 GMT -5
Some of the “advanced” fighting moves from PO3 onward, especially those taught by the DF mentors. It’s very hard to take it seriously when I have to imagine cats basically summersaulting and backflipping as battle tactics. this made me laugh aloud as i imagined a cat just doing a whole backflip and landing on their hind paws with their front paws in the air
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 22, 2022 22:05:01 GMT -5
Some of the “advanced” fighting moves from PO3 onward, especially those taught by the DF mentors. It’s very hard to take it seriously when I have to imagine cats basically summersaulting and backflipping as battle tactics. this made me laugh aloud as i imagined a cat just doing a whole backflip and landing on their hind paws with their front paws in the air you laugh but this literally happened. i think its in Dark River when Tigerstar taught Lionpaw a modified version of the badger defense move.
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Post by twigfrost on Sept 23, 2022 10:55:57 GMT -5
the fandom, sorta. i’ve seen people get so angry and defensive over the series it’s kinda funny at this point
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Post by Bristleflight-bristlefrost! on Sept 23, 2022 11:02:03 GMT -5
the fandom, sorta. i’ve seen people get so angry and defensive over the series it’s kinda funny at this point . If its not in a really mean way then ya. Like if it's not toxic
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Sept 25, 2022 20:17:40 GMT -5
this made me laugh aloud as i imagined a cat just doing a whole backflip and landing on their hind paws with their front paws in the air you laugh but this literally happened. i think its in Dark River when Tigerstar taught Lionpaw a modified version of the badger defense move.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Sept 25, 2022 22:52:16 GMT -5
The Broken Code
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Post by Hollyfall on Sept 26, 2022 0:34:34 GMT -5
that the editors think we want Bramblestar and Squirrelflight to keep fighting every other book and still want them to be together
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Post by allonautilus on Sept 27, 2022 13:14:14 GMT -5
Darkstripe's existence
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Post by Stormwind on Sept 27, 2022 13:28:18 GMT -5
Lots of things surrounding Starclan. The fact that there are still atheists after everything, and the fact that death is taken so seriously despite knowing no one ever really dies. If they want Starclan to be more involved, then I think the living world should reflect that more. But then there are certain books were Starclan is absent or can't interact for seemingly no reason. I think the Erins just really need to sort out how important the afterlife really is. I liked them more in the first arc where they weren't involved at all and cats were doubting if they even existed.
Also the whole thing with Tigerstar 2 getting his nine lives after he dies. The rules for leaders are all over the place. If he can get his nine lives then Nightstar should have gotten his.
Other than that, there's a couple scenes where cats will spell out words or names, implying that they know English or have some form of written system. Which would be fine. But language and math isn't a part of their education so it's always weird when those things come up.
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Post by allonautilus on Sept 28, 2022 11:35:58 GMT -5
Why doesn't Juniperclaw go to StarClan?
It is said that Ashfur went to StarClan because of his unjust death. Juniperclaw's death redeemed him; was he still not enough?
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Sept 28, 2022 11:49:25 GMT -5
Tigerheartstar getting nine lives. :/
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Oct 7, 2022 6:18:47 GMT -5
Commenting on this thread because I thought of something:
When the cats say cat kibble (kittypet food) looks disgusting like rabbit droppings. Every cat I have ever had loves kibbles, even preferring it over prey they catch or canned food. While I'm sure there are some cats in real life who don't like kibble, it's just that my cats all love it so eagerly it's funny to imagine them being disgusted with it.
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Post by TawnystarIsReal on Oct 10, 2022 21:46:56 GMT -5
I’m rereading the books and I don’t remember how prevalent it is in the recent books, but how strict they are about believing in StarClan. They’re so strict and think they know best (spoiler alert: they don’t) and to never disagree, question, or doubt them. It’s so annoying because they sound exactly like extreme Christians and it’s tiring. I know it’s for the plot and blah blah but StarClan has been annoying and not the best recently
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