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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 2, 2022 10:53:58 GMT -5
Suppose that as Ashfur's life slips away in the black water, he's suddenly transported back to the exact instant before he makes a deal with Hawkfrost. He retains all the knowledge he has of future events. What would he do differently in this new timeline?
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jul 2, 2022 14:09:25 GMT -5
Kill Bramblestar (then Brambleclaw) and terrorize poor Squirrelflight (as her mate) for the rest of eternity.
I think he would be too far gone in terms of his obsession for her to even reconsider his actions and possibly redeem himself by letting go of it in this new timeline. He regrets nothing and will never change his ways. Now, I'm aware there are quite a few fanfics and even still some fans that believe he would have been the best romantic partner for Squirrelflight if her and Brambleclaw had not gotten together during/after Sunset but certainly not in my book.
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Post by Punkpaw on Jul 2, 2022 14:44:45 GMT -5
He would probably back out of the deal with Hawkfrost after realizing that Brambleclaw wouldn't succumb to ambition and look to raise hell in Squirrelflight's family a different way. Probably play the long game, wait for Jay/Holly/Lion to reach apprenticeship, then drop the bomb about their parentage in the most devastating and public way possible while still allowing himself to remain detached. While Squirrel and Bramble are having trust issues, he would probably try to swooce in and act sympathetic and understanding to Squirrel and reinforce the idea that she was right (which isn't hard because she still believes she was right), then eventually try pitching the idea that they try finding love together. He will be aghast when she declines because for some reason she and Brambleclaw are ~~emotional crutches to each other~~ still in love and care deeply about each other. He'll probably keep trying until they inevitably get back together, then keep trying various schemes to drive them apart or inflict emotional torture on Squirrelflight from behind the scenes until he gets caught or just dies. He'll fool the starry ancestors with the "oh I only loved too much" routine because Yellowfang is a dumbass and then proceed with the imposter plan. After it works, he will probably arrange to have Bristlefrost convicted as a traitor and executed immediately, and probably drag Rootspring into it as well to tie up loose ends.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 2, 2022 15:55:25 GMT -5
He would probably back out of the deal with Hawkfrost after realizing that Brambleclaw wouldn't succumb to ambition and look to raise hell in Squirrelflight's family a different way. Probably play the long game, wait for Jay/Holly/Lion to reach apprenticeship, then drop the bomb about their parentage in the most devastating and public way possible while still allowing himself to remain detached. While Squirrel and Bramble are having trust issues, he would probably try to swooce in and act sympathetic and understanding to Squirrel and reinforce the idea that she was right (which isn't hard because she still believes she was right), then eventually try pitching the idea that they try finding love together. He will be aghast when she declines because for some reason she and Brambleclaw are ~~emotional crutches to each other~~ still in love and care deeply about each other. He'll probably keep trying until they inevitably get back together, then keep trying various schemes to drive them apart or inflict emotional torture on Squirrelflight from behind the scenes until he gets caught or just dies. He'll fool the starry ancestors with the "oh I only loved too much" routine because Yellowfang is a dumbass and then proceed with the imposter plan. After it works, he will probably arrange to have Bristlefrost convicted as a traitor and executed immediately, and probably drag Rootspring into it as well to tie up loose ends. How would he react to the DF invasion or advent of Darktail, since he’d now be alive for that and know of it in advance? How would he try to twist that to his advantage?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 2, 2022 17:02:46 GMT -5
somehow he'd kill brambleclaw and pin the crime on hawkfrost. idk what would happened to hawkfrost then though. would firestar kill hawkfrost and still lose a life in the process? maybe someone like dustpelt or brackenfur would become deputy in bramble's place?
then ashfur would act distraught at the death of brambleclaw. he'd express publically, his regret of their rivalry over squirrelflight. maybe this way, ashfur would guilt trip and manipulate squirrelflight into getting with him that way. after that, he'd get involved with helping squirrelflight help leafpool when the 3 kits came along.
ashfur would be the 3's new acting father, and he'd use those relationships with the kits to his advantage somehow. he knows hollyleaf would be capable of killing him, and he'd also know about lionblaze's future fighting ability. idk if ashfur would still become lion's mentor if he was posing as his father now that bramble is out of the picture.
i'm not sure how ashfur would still go about revenge since he would be posing as the kits father. would he go after leafpool? blackmail her with the kits and puppet her actions to make her look like an evil medicine cat? would he set up the 3 for accidents? would he guilt trip and gaslight everyone to turn against lionblaze? would he brainwash lionblaze and turn him against firestar somehow?
i dont have specific ideas, but this is what i'd imagine. over time, ashfur would eventually have squirrelflight broken and under his control through mental abuse.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 2, 2022 17:26:27 GMT -5
Ashfur would either kill Brambleclaw and become Squirrel's mate so he could be with the Three, or he'd not even try to to do that- he'd just try to hurt Squirrelflight as much as possible and her relationship with Brambleclaw through the Three's parentage secret.
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