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Post by Lionstrike on Jun 25, 2022 20:18:13 GMT -5
So what's the deal with him??? What does he deserve?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 25, 2022 20:25:15 GMT -5
if he were better written, and we saw more moments of doubt from him despite his villany, it'd be way easier for characters and readers to forgive him later. he deserved the windclan SE, not crowfeather. breezepelt's redemption post-oots deserved a whole SE, and we deserved to see every struggle from his POV.
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Post by Riverstream [hiatus] on Jun 25, 2022 20:50:19 GMT -5
I feel that if I were in that situation, I wouldn't be able to forgive him right away, and there would always be this mark, like the whole paper thing, scrunch it up, try to flatten it out but it will always be there, but I feel that I would never hate him as much as they do.
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Post by ivysaur on Jun 25, 2022 21:03:24 GMT -5
if he were better written, and we saw more moments of doubt from him despite his villany, it'd be way easier for characters and readers to forgive him later. he deserved the windclan SE, not crowfeather. breezepelt's redemption post-oots deserved a whole SE, and we deserved to see every struggle from his POV. This!!! As someone who enjoyed Breezepelt's story and was eagerly awaiting his redemption arc, it was so disappointing to see them not do anything with it. The battle with the stoats wasn't enough for me, especially seemed his only motivation was to do it for his mother. If I were the clans, I wouldn't forgive him so easily. Breezepelt attacked Jayfeather and Poppyfrost, a pregnant queen at the time, at the Moonpool and I feel like everyone ignores that. He actively fought for the Dark Forest and the only other traitor during the Great Battle was killed straight away. Had I been Onestar, I would've exiled him. That being said, I think he would end up in the Dark Forest had he died in between OoTS and AVoS. But now...can't really tell with StarClan's nonesense. He might belong in the middle place with Juniperclaw at this point.
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Post by Fireleap on Jun 25, 2022 21:36:00 GMT -5
Breezepelt has done nothing wrong in his entire life
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Post by Jaysnow on Jun 25, 2022 23:22:17 GMT -5
He can burn in hell
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Jun 26, 2022 10:48:37 GMT -5
The fourth option. I'm not saying he should get off scot-free, but if he is willing to make up for it and be a better cat and move on, then there's no point in beating the dead horse.
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Post by Lionstrike on Jun 26, 2022 11:25:35 GMT -5
The fourth option. I'm not saying he should get off scot-free, but if he is willing to make up for it and be a better cat and move on, then there's no point in beating the dead horse. Very well said.
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Post by scarletflames on Jun 26, 2022 11:31:11 GMT -5
I'm just starting AVOS, and I voted for #4 and #8 since there wasn't an, "it's okay that some cats forgave him, and it's also okay some cats didn't."
I think him trying to kill Poppyfrost and frame Jayfeather was an unforgivable action. I feel the same way about Hollyleaf, who was about to murder Leafpool, and make it look like a suicide, and only changed her mind when Leafpool said being alive would make her suffer more.
That being said, I'm okay with Leafpool forgiving Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze forgiving Breezepelt, even though I personally wouldn't be able to forgive either if I was in their paws.
In CT, while I wish the chapters alternated between Crow and Breeze so Breeze's redemption would be more believable (and we could see more how the DF manipulated him), I loved that Jayfeather didn't forgive Breezepelt (and if memory serves right, I don't think he forgave Crowfeather either), but Lionblaze forgave both, and both Lionblaze and Jayfeather's reactions were portrayed as valid by the narrative.
I like how a good chunk of Breezepelt's clanmates didn't forgive him, but I also liked that Crowfeather and Lionblaze forgave him.
With the afterlife, I think if Rainflower, Lizardstripe, Leopardstar, Blackstar, Hollyleaf and Ashfur got into Starclan, then I think Breezepelt should be in Starclan as well. (But if those cats were in the Dark Forest, I'd want Breezepelt to go there instead).
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Jun 26, 2022 12:55:11 GMT -5
I'm just starting AVOS, and I voted for #4 and #8 since there wasn't an, "it's okay that some cats forgave him, and it's also okay some cats didn't." I think him trying to kill Poppyfrost and frame Jayfeather was an unforgivable action. I feel the same way about Hollyleaf, who was about to murder Leafpool, and make it look like a suicide, and only changed her mind when Leafpool said being alive would make her suffer more. That being said, I'm okay with Leafpool forgiving Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze forgiving Breezepelt, even though I personally wouldn't be able to forgive either if I was in their paws. In CT, while I wish the chapters alternated between Crow and Breeze so Breeze's redemption would be more believable (and we could see more how the DF manipulated him), I loved that Jayfeather didn't forgive Breezepelt (and if memory serves right, I don't think he forgave Crowfeather either), but Lionblaze forgave both, and both Lionblaze and Jayfeather's reactions were portrayed as valid by the narrative. I like how a good chunk of Breezepelt's clanmates didn't forgive him, but I also liked that Crowfeather and Lionblaze forgave him. With the afterlife, I think if Rainflower, Lizardstripe, Leopardstar, Blackstar, Hollyleaf and Ashfur got into Starclan, then I think Breezepelt should be in Starclan as well. (But if those cats were in the Dark Forest, I'd want Breezepelt to go there instead).
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Post by 🌌dapple🌙 (formerly freckle) on Jun 26, 2022 20:04:23 GMT -5
Gah I was looking for a more midtier answer of "He can be forgiven, but he's still a jerk" instead of "being good at heart" I feel Breezepelt is genuinely, unironically chaotic neutral, doing whatever he wants and how he was in Crowfeather's Trial feels out of character for me, but I let it go because again- chaotic neutral, he does what he wants when he wants. And if that's acting nice then yeah he could.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 26, 2022 20:30:15 GMT -5
None of these answers work for me. I personally like his redemption, because it's realistic. A lot of cats DON'T forgive him, and that's okay, but some DO and that's okay too. I don't think Breezepelt is inherently evil, and I genuinely believe he regrets his actions and is a better cat now. I also like that he's still kind of an asshole.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 20:36:05 GMT -5
I love the completely opposing opinions between Fireleap and Jayfeather haha.
As an apprentice, Breezepaw appears like an angry teenager who acts out to get attention from his parents. Kind of annoying, but not unforgivable.
After he found out about Crowfeather's situation with Leafpool/his half-siblings, I think Breezepelt went completely off the deep end with his obsession and hatred of his half-siblings, and sort of extended that to ThunderClan as well. I think all of his actions stemmed from this hatred, so his attempt to kill Poppyfrost and his training with the Dark Forest was never about the thrill of killing innocent cats or a desire to destroy the Clans. He was just willing to do whatever it took--even if it meant murder and destruction--to get his "revenge."
I don't think Onestar was morally right not to kick Breezepelt out of WindClan after he sided with the DF, but I think it ultimately ended up being the best decision. It's one of those moments where a bad decision just happens to work out. For example, someone betting their entire livelihood on a sports game with poor odds is an objectively bad choice, but very, very occasionally it happens to pay off. I think after the battle with the Dark Forest, Breezepelt realized that he had to put away his consuming hatred for Lionblaze, Hollyleaf, and Jayfeather if he wanted to stay in his Clan. At first he selfishly went through the motions to avoid exile, but throughout the events of Crowfeather's Trial he was finally able to change because his driving force to commit heinous acts died away. As he worked to earn the respect of his Clan and created genuine connections with Crowfeather and Heathertail, he worked his way to becoming a good cat.
So while I find his actions abhorrent, I'm more willing to forgive him because 1) he didn't actually kill anyone 2) I think he committed his horrible actions as means to an end rather than ends in themselves (minor difference, but something I find relevant in the grand scheme of his arc) and 3) he seems to have changed and grown since then.
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