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Post by Rainfire on Mar 16, 2022 20:31:37 GMT -5
Do you think original Tigerstar is a good villain, especially in the first arc?
I've seen such varied opinions on this throughout the years, ranging from people who think he's the absolute best villain in the entire series who can never be topped, to people who think he's a generic and cliché mess of a villain.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 16, 2022 20:41:03 GMT -5
He's alright, but he's definitely pretty generic in terms of motivations and actions.
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Post by Vale on Mar 17, 2022 7:06:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd go so far to say he's the best one or can't be topped, but I think that he was one of the better antagonists in the series. Yeah he was quite cliché but after seeing how Warriors handles a lot of antagonists I don't mind them having a straightforward evil character who does bad things for entirely selfish reasons and likes making others suffer. I think his later portrayals do weaken him a bit though.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Mar 17, 2022 8:13:31 GMT -5
Let me just combine those two opposite opinions to present mine: Tigerstar I is the best cliche villain of the entire Warriors series and I greatly enjoyed his plot involvement in all four original arcs (TPB-OotS).
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 17, 2022 8:23:18 GMT -5
He was great in the original arc. Not just a brute who happens to be the strongest in the room, but also genuinely pretty cunning, when you think about a lot of his schemes. His motivations were straightforwardly bad but sometimes that’s a good thing. TPB Tigerstar is a lot more analytically interesting than I think a lot of readers give him credit for.
After TPB, though, Tigerstar started becoming more of a clownish caricature of evil (ugh…his novella..) and kinda pathetic as a villain.
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Mar 17, 2022 8:40:11 GMT -5
Tigerstar 1 in the first arc was amazing.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Mar 17, 2022 8:47:40 GMT -5
Yes, but I believe he gets worse as the series goes on.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Mar 17, 2022 22:28:48 GMT -5
I think he’s a fantastic villain. and while his motivations may be straightforward and a little cliche, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. And he’s not just some bland stereotypical dum dum either. He’s quite clever and shows a lot of cunning and ingenuity with his schemes, and takes advantage of natural resources and disasters to achieve his goals, and has plenty alternate tricks up his sleeve when one plan fails or is repelled.
Having straightforward immoral motivations makes him a villain you root for to be ended, and with him being cunning, a smooth talker and not a one-dimensional villain with almost no personality makes him delightful to read about.
Plus they don’t pile on ridiculous tragic backstories or justifications for his actions, or try to evoke sympathetic feelings from the reader unlike many modern villains. He’s a compelling villain you want to see brought down, and it’s damn satisfying when it finally happens.
Being a more simplistic and straightforward villain doesn’t mean their not compelling, and making them overly complex and having a convoluted or tragic backstory doesn’t automatically make one compelling either. Depends on execution.
I’m personally getting tired of villains with ridiculous and convoluted backstories, getting redemption arcs, or being painted as morally gray, made to evoke sympathy and given some degree of credibility or justification for their actions and made out to not be evil, but misunderstood.
Modern villains got me like
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