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Post by mymerlincat on Nov 12, 2021 14:26:55 GMT -5
How do you feel about her death?
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Post by vectoring34 on Nov 12, 2021 14:50:19 GMT -5
I feel horribly sad about it...but it is so badass. Having the chance to survive and throwing it away because she knows that she has to stop Ashfur is such an absolute boss move, iconic like Arthur getting skewered by Mordred or Beowulf's neck being ripped out by a dragon.
The fact that she had to fight through a whole horde first and was bleeding out from the neck before she even got there is so cool as just a start, but let's then add onto it the fact that the black water is more than just water. It shows you your worst memories and brings out your worst feelings as we saw with Rootspring's tumble into it, it drains your life just to be inside that thing every second. The fact that she was able to still think clearly in that and actively dive deeper into that abyss in order to force Ashfur down is great. But it's not just that this is really cool and heroic, it's also that it really fits Bristlefrost's character perfectly. She's always been so defined by optimism and hope, now she has to swim away from her own last hope for survival, but it's because she's the only one with enough hope to not only survive the dark water's psychological impact but also actively swim deeper into it. It even ties back to her character introduction, saving Rootspring from drowning, now she's saving him, Shadowsight, and everyone by diving even deeper. Loyal and empathetic to the end.
The fact that even the Dark Forest cats have to salute her bravery is just the icing on the cake, and I feel like that was a major factor in the DF cats being so peaceable after the fact, that the one cat who had advocated for them was willing to die for what she believed.
I think it's pretty incredible and one final victory even in death as well that she thinks about love and warmth even as she dies, when we know this water is evil and trying to sap away all good thoughts. She might have died but she basically won over this cosmic abomination by refusing to give into the abyss and never giving up hope, and I just love that imagery, that she had enough willpower to maintain her happy thoughts and hope even as she died.
Also, to anyone who calls this fridging, I'm sorry that you think a heroic death is fridging.
But also I do cry because why did she have to die.
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Post by Cloudstorm on Nov 12, 2021 15:18:23 GMT -5
I feel horribly sad about it...but it is so badass. Having the chance to survive and throwing it away because she knows that she has to stop Ashfur is such an absolute boss move, iconic like Arthur getting skewered by Mordred or Beowulf's neck being ripped out by a dragon. The fact that she had to fight through a whole horde first and was bleeding out from the neck before she even got there is so cool as just a start, but let's then add onto it the fact that the black water is more than just water. It shows you your worst memories and brings out your worst feelings as we saw with Rootspring's tumble into it, it drains your life just to be inside that thing every second. The fact that she was able to still think clearly in that and actively dive deeper into that abyss in order to force Ashfur down is great. But it's not just that this is really cool and heroic, it's also that it really fits Bristlefrost's character perfectly. She's always been so defined by optimism and hope, now she has to swim away from her own last hope for survival, but it's because she's the only one with enough hope to not only survive the dark water's psychological impact but also actively swim deeper into it. It even ties back to her character introduction, saving Rootspring from drowning, now she's saving him, Shadowsight, and everyone by diving even deeper. Loyal and empathetic to the end. The fact that even the Dark Forest cats have to salute her bravery is just the icing on the cake, and I feel like that was a major factor in the DF cats being so peaceable after the fact, that the one cat who had advocated for them was willing to die for what she believed. I think it's pretty incredible and one final victory even in death as well that she thinks about love and warmth even as she dies, when we know this water is evil and trying to sap away all good thoughts. She might have died but she basically won over this cosmic abomination by refusing to give into the abyss and never giving up hope, and I just love that imagery, that she had enough willpower to maintain her happy thoughts and hope even as she died. Also, to anyone who calls this fridging, I'm sorry that you think a heroic death is fridging. But also I do cry because why did she have to die. 100% spot on , while my overall opinion on TBC as a whole is very polarizing , standing ovation and acclimation is fully deserved for her sacrifice . It fully embodies and accentuates her best qualities as a character , her defined , driven determination and optimism to hold onto Hope, and willingness to put herself on the line wholeheartedly to destroy their foe and restore peace to the living world and spiritual realms is very admirable, truly an heroic deed , and definitely the highlight of ALiTM , though personally , really wished the Battle would of lasted a bit longer , and reflected more of those in involved in the fights struggle against the DF cats , and spirit cats being telepathically controlled by ashfur , but oh well. Still a pretty emotional scene.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 15:24:02 GMT -5
love it, one of the strongest narrative choices in the series! bristlefrost is definitely one of my favorite characters and I love that she went out in a cool and thematically appropriate way!
in regards to fridging, I don’t believe this is a strong example, however certain aspects of it feel uncomfortably close to the trope. it’s something that requires a lot of nuance, and it’s important to acknowledge that. the trope of killing off a female love interest to advance a male character’s arc is unfortunately very common in this series, so discomfort over that is understandable and I think dismissing it outright is irresponsible, especially given prior concerns about bristleroot completely overriding bristlefrost’s character in books 4-5.
overall though, really good death! I’m looking forward to seeing different content surrounding it cause this fandom’s creativity is very fun
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Nov 12, 2021 15:28:52 GMT -5
I'm still sad about it and think she deserved better although there might have been the issue of her just getting completely pushed into the background or be reduced to a certain role after her story was told. Bristlefrost's death (and thus Ashfur's) was iconic though and will be remembered for quite a while in the fandom. So at least she went out with a bang.
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Post by Rainfire on Nov 12, 2021 15:54:31 GMT -5
Heart-broken, but I loved how her death was written and I loved how it managed to encapsulate everything I love about Bristlefrost as a character
So despite the fact that it breaks my heart(or heck, actually BECAUSE it breaks my heart), I definitely think Bristlefrost's death scene is one of the best ones in the series. Those last lines of "The cold that gripped her seemed at last to let her go. She closed her eyes and in her last moment only felt warmth. Only love." are gonna stick with me forever lol
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Post by Featherstar on Nov 12, 2021 16:46:38 GMT -5
I feel horribly sad about it...but it is so badass. Having the chance to survive and throwing it away because she knows that she has to stop Ashfur is such an absolute boss move, iconic like Arthur getting skewered by Mordred or Beowulf's neck being ripped out by a dragon. The fact that she had to fight through a whole horde first and was bleeding out from the neck before she even got there is so cool as just a start, but let's then add onto it the fact that the black water is more than just water. It shows you your worst memories and brings out your worst feelings as we saw with Rootspring's tumble into it, it drains your life just to be inside that thing every second. The fact that she was able to still think clearly in that and actively dive deeper into that abyss in order to force Ashfur down is great. But it's not just that this is really cool and heroic, it's also that it really fits Bristlefrost's character perfectly. She's always been so defined by optimism and hope, now she has to swim away from her own last hope for survival, but it's because she's the only one with enough hope to not only survive the dark water's psychological impact but also actively swim deeper into it. It even ties back to her character introduction, saving Rootspring from drowning, now she's saving him, Shadowsight, and everyone by diving even deeper. Loyal and empathetic to the end. The fact that even the Dark Forest cats have to salute her bravery is just the icing on the cake, and I feel like that was a major factor in the DF cats being so peaceable after the fact, that the one cat who had advocated for them was willing to die for what she believed. I think it's pretty incredible and one final victory even in death as well that she thinks about love and warmth even as she dies, when we know this water is evil and trying to sap away all good thoughts. She might have died but she basically won over this cosmic abomination by refusing to give into the abyss and never giving up hope, and I just love that imagery, that she had enough willpower to maintain her happy thoughts and hope even as she died. Also, to anyone who calls this fridging, I'm sorry that you think a heroic death is fridging. But also I do cry because why did she have to die.Well said.
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Post by rabbit on Nov 12, 2021 18:21:27 GMT -5
Morbid to say, but it is the best part of her character and POV, and I am not saying that because she was my least favorite protagonist. Just her choosing to disappear forever when she has Rootspring and her whole life ahead of her was pretty traumatic.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Nov 12, 2021 18:33:41 GMT -5
I'm incredibly upset she died but at the same time, it was so gosh-darned heroic and an amazing thing she did to defeat Ashfur. I can only hope that she'll be remembered by the Clans for a very long time.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 12, 2021 18:35:32 GMT -5
im the only person who was genuinely happy she died because i never liked her to begin with. but im only sad for the other characters. like spotfur, who now has lost both her mate and her close friend. and then i feel bad for ivypool and fernsong because parents losing children is always a sad thing, no matter what. but i dont care about rootspring's feelings because, once again, i hated root x bristle from the beginning too.
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Post by 𝔯𝔞𝔟𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔱 on Nov 12, 2021 18:59:10 GMT -5
I'm sad about it, but at the same time I think it was a very good choice to wrap up the arc. I feel like this arc couldn't have ended without killing somebody off, and quite frankly, Bristlefrost was the easiest one to kill. Shadowsight had his weird connection with Ashfur and all, and I feel like his story is really only just beginning. So it had to be Bristlefrost and Rootspring, and again, Rootspring ultimately just becomes more interesting with his ability to see ghosts. It makes Bristlefrost the easiest choice to kill off. I personally would've actually preferred had it been Shadowsight that died killing Ashfur - this all started with him, and it would've been really cool for it to end with him. But I also understand why they chose Bristlefrost.
I think killing a character, from their own POV, was an interesting choice. We've only seen this twice before in main arcs - Flametail's death in PO3 and Gray Wing's death in DOTC. But I think this one was more powerful in that it was one of the main protagonists throughout the entire arc, and the book didn't end with her death. To be honest, I wasn't particularly sad about her dying. I liked her, but she wasn't my favorite character. It was the reactions everybody had to her death that really broke me. And the fact that she didn't just die and go to StarClan, but that the Erins truly allowed her to die a permanent death was dark and I loved it.
Ultimately I think it was a fitting end for her character, and I'll be interested to see how her death effects the future of the Clans in the next arc.
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Post by Sand on Nov 12, 2021 19:43:07 GMT -5
Please use spoiler tags. Thanks.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Nov 12, 2021 20:43:17 GMT -5
I like it and think it was a very fitting end for her. It actually made me like her more
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Nov 12, 2021 21:11:28 GMT -5
You should change the title of this post..
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Nov 13, 2021 8:33:22 GMT -5
I feel horribly sad about it...but it is so badass. Having the chance to survive and throwing it away because she knows that she has to stop Ashfur is such an absolute boss move, iconic like Arthur getting skewered by Mordred or Beowulf's neck being ripped out by a dragon.
The fact that she had to fight through a whole horde first and was bleeding out from the neck before she even got there is so cool as just a start, but let's then add onto it the fact that the black water is more than just water. It shows you your worst memories and brings out your worst feelings as we saw with Rootspring's tumble into it, it drains your life just to be inside that thing every second. The fact that she was able to still think clearly in that and actively dive deeper into that abyss in order to force Ashfur down is great. But it's not just that this is really cool and heroic, it's also that it really fits Bristlefrost's character perfectly. She's always been so defined by optimism and hope, now she has to swim away from her own last hope for survival, but it's because she's the only one with enough hope to not only survive the dark water's psychological impact but also actively swim deeper into it. It even ties back to her character introduction, saving Rootspring from drowning, now she's saving him, Shadowsight, and everyone by diving even deeper. Loyal and empathetic to the end.
The fact that even the Dark Forest cats have to salute her bravery is just the icing on the cake, and I feel like that was a major factor in the DF cats being so peaceable after the fact, that the one cat who had advocated for them was willing to die for what she believed.
I think it's pretty incredible and one final victory even in death as well that she thinks about love and warmth even as she dies, when we know this water is evil and trying to sap away all good thoughts. She might have died but she basically won over this cosmic abomination by refusing to give into the abyss and never giving up hope, and I just love that imagery, that she had enough willpower to maintain her happy thoughts and hope even as she died.
Also, to anyone who calls this fridging, I'm sorry that you think a heroic death is fridging.
But also I do cry because why did she have to die. Aww Vect, you're bringing me to tears rn, this is so well expressed.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Nov 13, 2021 9:55:11 GMT -5
Was it the best death scene I’ve ever read? No. Was it one of the best in this series? Probably. I think it was the only plot development of TBC that I enjoyed. Major character death is always more interesting.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Nov 13, 2021 15:30:16 GMT -5
How do you feel about her death? wait what darnn i really need to catch up with these books wowzers oh man
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