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Post by Hollyfall on May 2, 2021 14:55:30 GMT -5
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StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on May 2, 2021 15:03:43 GMT -5
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 2, 2021 15:13:02 GMT -5
Finally Marshkit's appereance is revealed, and how he died!
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 2, 2021 15:18:42 GMT -5
I think that the page where Tallstar and Muclaw have a conversation about wanting peace with ThunderClan, is what influenced him to change deputyship. I'm glad it's been explored a lot more.
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Bisexual
#FF00EC
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BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ
Villain Enjoyer
Finally reading Wind!
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on May 2, 2021 15:29:56 GMT -5
Thank you so much for sharing this! I'm beyond excited and can't wait to finally be able ordering it already.
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Post by *Faith* on May 2, 2021 16:03:38 GMT -5
Thanks! I wonder who that gray queen with the two kits were. It didn't look like Ferncloud. Dawnflower? But those kits didn't match the descriptions for her three kits. It wasn't Tallpoppy, but she does have two brown kits. Toadfoot is dark brown, but Applefur is a mottled brown. And we don't know what Marshkit looks like.
Ooh, so there's Marshkit. After a quick read on the wiki, he did get taken by an eagle and was saved by Brackenfur. His last book appearance was in Starlight. But at least we now know what he looks like. I'll read the rest in a little bit.
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Post by *Faith* on May 2, 2021 16:05:20 GMT -5
Finally Marshkit's appereance is revealed, and how he died! Actually, this isn't how Marshkit died. He was only ever seen in Dawn and Starlight. During Dawn he got taken by an eagle in the mountains and was saved by Brackenfur.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 2, 2021 16:07:36 GMT -5
Yikes....I feel really bad for Mudclaw. You can tell that he wanted WindClan to be independent and not rely so much on ThunderClan anymore. He wanted them to be respected after falling so many times, and eventually losing their territory they've fought so hard for from dictators. He was always putting his clan first, and despite not having the best relationship with Onewhisker, still saw him as a valuable warrior, while also facing reality and respecting Tallstar while he was still alive. Its no wonder he felt betrayed by Tallstar's decision. I'm glad they also noted that Mudclaw saw the guilt on Bramblestar's face, canonly this happened as well because Bramblestar was withholding information. Can't wait to see how the rest plays.
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Post by Mau Furlong on May 2, 2021 16:59:31 GMT -5
I LOVE Barkface's tail!!
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Post by *Faith* on May 2, 2021 16:59:50 GMT -5
I wonder if that tortoiseshell-and-white cat is Morningflower. As far as we know Morningflower doesn't have white on her.
Tallstar is really insistent about Mudclaw keeping the peace, while Mudclaw is really worried about Tallstar.
Here we have a word for word scene from Starlight. Including that bit that states that Tallstar was leader when Mudclaw was a kit mewling in the nursery, which was technically retconned in TR. What's more is that it was Onewhisker was said this, despite being younger. I also see Squirrelpaw and I'm assuming that's Mistyfoot in front of her.
There we have Tornear, Webfoot, Crowfeather (most likely) and I'm not sure. Owlpaw? He's Tornear's apprentice, so it's possible. Owlpaw is also a light brown tabby. Weaselpaw (who is Webfoot's apprentice) is ginger with white paws.
Squirrelpaw also went on this patrol. In fact, she was the one who found TC's new camp. It seems they forgot about her.
The argument between Mistyfoot and Hawkfrost. I didn't realize Mudclaw and Tornear overheard it. Also, Tornear being judgemental admitting that he would never make Brambleclaw or Hawkfrost deputy if he was leader.
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Post by *Faith* on May 2, 2021 17:06:26 GMT -5
And now I feel bad for Mudclaw. Everything was just...stripped away from him. No warning, no anything. As for the cats who called his name. Webfoot, Tornear, a gray cat and a white cat. Ashfoot and Whitetail? And then the vigil. He doesn't understand why. Tallstar clearly did it to uphold the peace. A lot of good that did. Onestar was a terrible leader.
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Post by Snowfire on May 2, 2021 17:16:29 GMT -5
If you don’t mind me asking, where do you get the samples?
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on May 2, 2021 17:24:40 GMT -5
Wow, I pity Mudclaw. It's such a shame this had to happen to him.
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#04F9B3
StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on May 2, 2021 17:45:12 GMT -5
If you don’t mind me asking, where do you get the samples? Rockfoot got it from Edelweiess +.
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Post by fishbreeze on May 2, 2021 18:47:48 GMT -5
Mudclaw and Tornear have very cool designs. The fears that Mudclaw has, and why he is not very close to the other clans, makes me wonder if he would have had a leadership that's similar to Clear Sky's.
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Asexual
#07B04C
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on May 2, 2021 19:17:49 GMT -5
This makes me wonder, why couldn't have Tallstar at least told Mudclaw his deputy-change decision to his face? Mudclaw hearing this life-changing news from another cat he already wasn't a fan of... yikes.
Also, the colors of the sky and clouds in the first panels are SUPER pretty, with the sun breaking through the clouds, and the clouds also being tinted yellow... beautiful.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 2, 2021 19:26:43 GMT -5
Mudclaw and Tornear have very cool designs. The fears that Mudclaw has, and why he is not very close to the o7ther clans, makes me wonder if he would have had a leadership that's similar to Clear Sky's. Probably not, he had no qualms asking for help from other clans if it meant that WindClan would survive, he's done it before. I think the problem is more so because of how WindClan was stepped on a lot, along with ThunderClan sticking their nose in WindClan business even when they didn't ask for help. Imo it felt highly disrespectful to see another clan leader call the shots after your own just passed away. Clear Sky's fear was based on losing his sister, then his mate, and another after that, but then he became the monster he feared. Killing innocent cats and starving prisoners, and it took almost killing his brother for him to realize how wrong he was. I think if Mudclaw had became leader, he'd probably be similar to Blackstar if anything.
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Post by fishbreeze on May 2, 2021 19:36:56 GMT -5
Mudclaw and Tornear have very cool designs. The fears that Mudclaw has, and why he is not very close to the o7ther clans, makes me wonder if he would have had a leadership that's similar to Clear Sky's. Probably not, he had no qualms asking for help from other clans if it meant that WindClan would survive, he's done it before. I think the problem is more so because of how WindClan was stepped on a lot, along with ThunderClan sticking their nose in WindClan business even when they didn't ask for help. Imo it felt highly disrespectful to see another clan leader call the shots after your own just passed away. Clear Sky's fear was based on losing his sister, then his mate, and another after that, but then he became the monster he feared. Killing innocent cats and starving prisoners, and it took almost killing his brother for him to realize how wrong he was. I think if Mudclaw had became leader, he'd probably be similar to Blackstar if anything. This is true. Also, they should have told Mudclaw in private before announcing it to the whole clan, that's just bad taste, and Mudclaw must have felt so humiliated, imagine being told you lost your job in front of everyone, and you didn't even know it yourself.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 2, 2021 20:05:20 GMT -5
Dang everyone saying that this makes them feel more on Mudclaw's side, this actually makes me LESS on his side. Now we see that Tallstar actually had more reasons than we thought for sacking Mudclaw, and based off of the way Mudclaw was thinking, I don't think he was all that wrong. Mudclaw was making judgements based off of the bloodlines of cats like Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost, yet at the same time ignores all that Firestar has done for Windclan. He comes off as arrogant and paranoid, and frankly based off just the preview, it feels like he'd be WORSE than Onestar. He's already this wound up and panicked about other clans before becoming leader, how much more when he becomes leader? He is too ruled by fear to be a good leader, and while this is sympathetic and I actually REALLY like this characterization in terms of giving him more depth, it doesn't make him a good leader.
Manga looks really good so far, it's not doing what I feared and lionizing him. I hope to see the rest
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Fernflower
I forgot how amazing Firestar is
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Post by Fernflower on May 2, 2021 20:29:22 GMT -5
Dang everyone saying that this makes them feel more on Mudclaw's side, this actually makes me LESS on his side. Now we see that Tallstar actually had more reasons than we thought for sacking Mudclaw, and based off of the way Mudclaw was thinking, I don't think he was all that wrong. Mudclaw was making judgements based off of the bloodlines of cats like Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost, yet at the same time ignores all that Firestar has done for Windclan. He comes off as arrogant and paranoid, and frankly based off just the preview, it feels like he'd be WORSE than Onestar. He's already this wound up and panicked about other clans before becoming leader, how much more when he becomes leader? He is too ruled by fear to be a good leader, and while this is sympathetic and I actually REALLY like this characterization in terms of giving him more depth, it doesn't make him a good leader. Manga looks really good so far, it's not doing what I feared and lionizing him. I hope to see the rest I see where you're coming from, but I also wonder if the whole Journey and colonization of a new territory has something to do with his increased stress. Clan life is hard enough normally, but adding the fact that everyone's tired, starving, and without a proper home, it's hard to imagine him or anyone else not being stressed. That being said, Onewhisker does appear to be handling everything much better, so that does make him seem like the better leader. I also agree that this characterization is wonderful and gives a much better insight on what's going on in his brain.
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Post by vectoring34 on May 2, 2021 20:47:52 GMT -5
Dang everyone saying that this makes them feel more on Mudclaw's side, this actually makes me LESS on his side. Now we see that Tallstar actually had more reasons than we thought for sacking Mudclaw, and based off of the way Mudclaw was thinking, I don't think he was all that wrong. Mudclaw was making judgements based off of the bloodlines of cats like Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost, yet at the same time ignores all that Firestar has done for Windclan. He comes off as arrogant and paranoid, and frankly based off just the preview, it feels like he'd be WORSE than Onestar. He's already this wound up and panicked about other clans before becoming leader, how much more when he becomes leader? He is too ruled by fear to be a good leader, and while this is sympathetic and I actually REALLY like this characterization in terms of giving him more depth, it doesn't make him a good leader. Manga looks really good so far, it's not doing what I feared and lionizing him. I hope to see the rest I see where you're coming from, but I also wonder if the whole Journey and colonization of a new territory has something to do with his increased stress. Clan life is hard enough normally, but adding the fact that everyone's tired, starving, and without a proper home, it's hard to imagine him or anyone else not being stressed. That being said, Onewhisker does appear to be handling everything much better, so that does make him seem like the better leader. I also agree that this characterization is wonderful and gives a much better insight on what's going on in his brain. It's understandable to be stressed, but the part that raises red flags is the lesson he learned from the journey. Most cats seemed to learn from the journey how to work together even between clans. We see this multiple times throughout the journey, and they hammer the point in hard that the clans are all working together really well. However, Mudclaw apparently sees none of this. He has learned absolutely nothing from this journey and is instead doubling down on paranoia and fear at a time when such a thing can hardly be afforded. That is why I'm saying I think this makes him MORE like Onestar than anything else, it's that exact toxic atmosphere where no one can be trusted, not even his own clanmates(notice how he does not trust Crowfeather) that led to Onestar becoming as nasty as he did.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 2, 2021 21:23:21 GMT -5
wasn't windclan hit the hardest by the twoleg invasion in TNP? dude probably has trauma from watching his clan pretty much beg for others help while his clanmates died around him, it makes sense that he is so focused on security and making windclan look strong.
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Post by Cheetahstar on May 2, 2021 22:16:22 GMT -5
what hurts the most
is knowing what onestar is like
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Post by Cheetahstar on May 2, 2021 22:22:04 GMT -5
also I gotta admit
if I was in mudclaws paws and saw a rival leader declaring that their close friend was made deputy?
yeah I would call mousedung on that too
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Post by Hollyfall on May 2, 2021 22:25:08 GMT -5
I can't get over Marshkit's reaction to being taken by an eagle look at the lil guy
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 2, 2021 23:24:53 GMT -5
wasn't windclan hit the hardest by the twoleg invasion in TNP? dude probably has trauma from watching his clan pretty much beg for others help while his clanmates died around him, it makes sense that he is so focused on security and making windclan look strong. Pretty much, people have to remember that WindClan was pretty much everyone's punching bag for quite a few generations at this point. Then having to deal with losing their territory so much, to not just other clans but also humans, of course they're going to be much more cautious. How does anyone expect them to trust other clans when they're always so eager to take over WindClan territory. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't some of the other clans unwillingly to return WindClan's territory back to them at one point?
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Post by vectoring34 on May 2, 2021 23:56:27 GMT -5
wasn't windclan hit the hardest by the twoleg invasion in TNP? dude probably has trauma from watching his clan pretty much beg for others help while his clanmates died around him, it makes sense that he is so focused on security and making windclan look strong. Was it really? They had a mild drought at the beginning but other than that, everything else happened to Thunderclan as well. They had bouts with poisoned prey but so did Thunderclan. I don't think they really had it much worse than Thunderclan, and if anything, Thunderclan had it worse with more cats we know of dying as far as I remember. Thunderclan lost Dappletail, Shrewpaw, Frostfur, and Speckletail. Did Windclan even lose ANY cats to the Twoleg invasion, period? Even if my memory is wrong and Thunderclan didn't actually lose more than Windclan, it's still such a close race to the bottom in terms of suffering that it's a little bit rich to claim that Windclan suffered any more. It would have been true in the TPB days, but if he cared about that, then he'd care about being saved several times over by other clans(in particular Firestar) and working together.
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Post by Sand on May 3, 2021 0:13:34 GMT -5
I can't get over Marshkit's reaction to being taken by an eagle look at the lil guy It hurts.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on May 3, 2021 10:31:17 GMT -5
wasn't windclan hit the hardest by the twoleg invasion in TNP? dude probably has trauma from watching his clan pretty much beg for others help while his clanmates died around him, it makes sense that he is so focused on security and making windclan look strong. Was it really? They had a mild drought at the beginning but other than that, everything else happened to Thunderclan as well. They had bouts with poisoned prey but so did Thunderclan. I don't think they really had it much worse than Thunderclan, and if anything, Thunderclan had it worse with more cats we know of dying as far as I remember. Thunderclan lost Dappletail, Shrewpaw, Frostfur, and Speckletail. Did Windclan even lose ANY cats to the Twoleg invasion, period? Even if my memory is wrong and Thunderclan didn't actually lose more than Windclan, it's still such a close race to the bottom in terms of suffering that it's a little bit rich to claim that Windclan suffered any more. It would have been true in the TPB days, but if he cared about that, then he'd care about being saved several times over by other clans(in particular Firestar) and working together. im not saying that other clans didnt have it just as bad, i just meant that mudclaw's internalized paranoia about windclan's strength makes sense in context of the hardships.
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