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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 11:00:13 GMT -5
everyone seems to have an opinion on zoos, and I just wanted to cast out feelers and see what the general vibe is
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Post by Kenshin on Aug 28, 2016 11:50:01 GMT -5
i feel like they get a bad reputation sure, they could be better, but they give animals that might not have made it on their own in the wild a home and a safe place
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Post by John 3:16 on Aug 28, 2016 12:09:19 GMT -5
I like zoos
They're pretty cool, even though they get a bad rep from organizations like PETA and stuff
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Post by TheRealDarkstalker on Aug 28, 2016 13:10:28 GMT -5
I like them They get a lot of hate though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 13:44:42 GMT -5
If the animals aren't abused, starved, mistreated, or neglected, I'm fine with them. PETA is a bunch of loony tunes, ignore them.
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Post by Dreamers Delight on Aug 29, 2016 0:10:14 GMT -5
I like zoos. Most take in animals that couldn't survive on their own in the wild.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 0:12:45 GMT -5
oh no ok here we go
So. Keeping animals in captivity is wrong blah blah blah but really-- a lot of the animals in zoos are ones that are extinct or who couldn't be introduced into the wild. Provided the species that are being kept are given 1. Proper space, 2. Proper diet, 3. Proper stimulation, 4. Proper medical care, then you should be fine supporting it. Oh, and as long as the zoos aren't participating in breeding animals with little to no chance of a decent life - example being white tigers. And as long as people are NOT allowed to interact with the animals - no petting tigers is not cute it's literally a predator being allowed near a three year old. Stop.
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Post by ⁻ ⁻ ☾ ᵇˡᵘᵉ ᵐᵒᵒᶰ on Aug 29, 2016 0:18:32 GMT -5
As long as the animals are being treated right and given everything they need, I love zoos! It gives people a chance to see animals they would probably never see in their lifetime up close and learn about them.
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Post by lynxpelt the visionary on Aug 29, 2016 12:09:20 GMT -5
I like zoos as long as the animals in them are either unable to go back in the wild (due to injury or something simillar) or they were raised in captivity and couldn't survive out there
I always end up at zoos at the worst times too like 2:00 in the afternoon when nothing is out
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Post by cricket🍂 on Aug 30, 2016 21:55:15 GMT -5
let's put humans in zoos and see how they like it
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Post by TheOddThing on Aug 31, 2016 9:37:06 GMT -5
Some are nice like the official zoos who care about the animals. Some unregistered ones are terrible.
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Post by TheOddThing on Aug 31, 2016 9:42:18 GMT -5
oh no ok here we go So. Keeping animals in captivity is wrong blah blah blah but really-- a lot of the animals in zoos are ones that are extinct or who couldn't be introduced into the wild. Provided the species that are being kept are given 1. Proper space, 2. Proper diet, 3. Proper stimulation, 4. Proper medical care, then you should be fine supporting it. Oh, and as long as the zoos aren't participating in breeding animals with little to no chance of a decent life - example being white tigers. And as long as people are NOT allowed to interact with the animals - no petting tigers is not cute it's literally a predator being allowed near a three year old. Stop. I agree with the tigers. They abuse the mothers and sometimes crossbreed ligers which will live a poor life due to medical issues. And its not right to force breed animals. It leads to many reproductive issues. But I feel that's mostly commercial breeders and circuses.
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Post by pumpkin pie on Aug 31, 2016 9:44:05 GMT -5
I like zoos~ I mean, I don't like the idea of animals being kept in captivity for our viewing pleasure, but at the same time, a lot of the animals in zoos were either born in captivity, injured and taking into captivity to nurse back to health, or they are endangered ect- besides, they do mostly get treated well in captivity. As long as they are treated well and have the proper space ect, I'm cool with it!
I'm actually going to a zoo this week xD
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Post by TheOddThing on Aug 31, 2016 9:45:58 GMT -5
If the animals aren't abused, starved, mistreated, or neglected, I'm fine with them. PETA is a bunch of loony tunes, ignore them. Ya, they're not all bad. My teacher used to work at six flags with the animals and she has some cute pics of the animals being happy and playing. And that whole Sea World thing is bs.
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Post by TheOddThing on Aug 31, 2016 23:22:46 GMT -5
let's put humans in zoos and see how they like it It's not like they're abusing the animals. Very few treat them wrong and they're mostly the non licences ones that mistreat the animals.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 19:41:29 GMT -5
I think they're needed, provided that the animals are treated well. They can at least conserve endangered species this way.
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Post by Kenshin on Sept 1, 2016 21:16:25 GMT -5
let's put humans in zoos and see how they like it we call that theatre it's very enjoyable
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Post by theRavenflight on Sept 2, 2016 13:30:07 GMT -5
Alright this is a subject I'm passionate about so let's go.
As a kid I kind of liked zoos, but wasn't crazy about them. Everytime I went it was super hot and the animals always looked depressed and/or bored. Then as I started to become a teen I was like "OMG no zoos are bad. I would hate to be caged, how would humans like it if they were caged, blah blah blah."
Now that I'm older (and like to consider myself more knowledgeable), I know that zoos are kind of a necessary evil. I live in the U.S. so I speak about U.S. zoos. I know that some zoos in different countries may not be as sanitary or safe as the ones I've been to, but the ones I have been to all seem to be fairly clean and give their animals plenty of space. Now, I know that all of the animals would prefer to be free, and I wish they could be. BUT the world we live in today is not the world we lived in thousands of years ago. Industrialization, increasing populations, etc. all mean destruction of wildlife, leaving animals homeless and extinct.
If it weren't for zoos, A LOT more species would be extinct. A lot more animals would be killed. It's kind of a matter of, well is it better to be caged for the rest of your life, or have your home and species destroyed? It's really, really sad but I feel that if the zoos are clean, space is plentiful, and zookeepers care for the animals, then they aren't all bad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 13:24:42 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of zoos but maybe that's just because I don't like my local zoo. I think wild animals should be either in the wild or on a nature reserve. It's not cool to put an animal in a cage and have it surrounded by screaming children for the rest of their life. I live in a desert, and my local zoo had a polar bear. Guess where he is now? Dead.
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Post by Faunastar on Sept 17, 2016 22:39:51 GMT -5
I worked at the FPZ zoo in Boston for a while. Often when people dislike zoos they're only thinking of the fact that zoos keep animals in captivity, and either don't know about or don't consider the amount of thought and work zookeepers and zoo managers put into caring for the animals, keeping them healthy, simulating their natural environment, and even just entertaining them. I mean, we meticulously built paper mache antelopes for the lions to "hunt", there's landscaping involved to insure the animals can climb, scratch, and act just like they would in the forest. Social animals are kept together with friends and compatible species as they would naturally prefer to do. We don't even just give them their food, zookeepers spend a lot of time scattering it so that the animals can gather/search for it naturally. There's so much done to make sure the animals are having a good time and doing all the things they would do in the wild. Sometimes, though, this isn't the case. A lot depends on whether or not a zoo is properly ACCREDITED. Zoos that are founded with conservation and educating the public in mind often treat their animals better, since the purpose of those zoos is to present the animals in their natural habitats and assist SSPs (species survival plans, basically complex breeding and release programs for endangered species), while unaccredited zoos usually just pull together the licenses they need to legally hold animals captive, keeping them around only for human entertainment and profit. So it's important to do a little bit of research on a specific zoo before going and giving them money. Zoos as a general thing, however, are actually very positive for the animals and they're pretty instrumental to conservation of endangered species! There's nothing inherently unethical about them.
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Post by Soαrιɴɢ Bloѕѕoмѕ ✿ on Sept 18, 2016 15:09:11 GMT -5
I feel like Zoos are fine, since their primary purpose is to preserve animals and prevent them from going extinct, especially those that can't live on nature reserves due to environmental limitations or health/safety issues. Though their secondary purpose is to get tourism, the funding goes towards the right places. Although zoos get a bad rep, I think most of the things they do is with the animals in mind. And a good amount of said animals, are content with said lives as long as they have a decent amount of space to roam. Considering that many of them suffer and starve in the wild, this is a pretty good alternative. Note, I still would prefer that animals remain in the wild, but w/ climate change and pollution affecting natural habitats, along with damaging human intervention, for some species, this isn't possible without the possibility of extinction occurring.
However, theme parks like Seaworld are not to be condoned. Orcas aren't kept there for good intentions, rather their primary purpose is to please the crowd and provide entertainment. Their enclosures are too compact, they're too close to each other which leads to violence between the Orcas, and mother and calf are separated almost immediately after birth, often to transport the calf to another theme park. This is unacceptable. The quality of the Orcas enclosures and diet is abysmal, and they're not being put in environments that at least somewhat replicates the ocean. Therefore, I strongly protest against Seaworld. I'm glad they're preventing new orcas from being added now. I highly recommend the documentary, Blackfish, to anyone that would like more info about the issue.
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Post by Faunastar on Sept 18, 2016 15:42:17 GMT -5
I feel like Zoos are fine, since their primary purpose is to preserve animals and prevent them from going extinct, especially those that can't live on nature reserves due to environmental limitations or health/safety issues. Though their secondary purpose is to get tourism, the funding goes towards the right places. Although zoos get a bad rep, I think most of the things they do is with the animals in mind. And a good amount of said animals, are content with said lives as long as they have a decent amount of space to roam. Considering that many of them suffer and starve in the wild, this is a pretty good alternative. Note, I still would prefer that animals remain in the wild, but w/ climate change and pollution affecting natural habitats, along with damaging human intervention, for some species, this isn't possible without the possibility of extinction occurring. However, theme parks like Seaworld are not to be condoned. Orcas aren't kept there for good intentions, rather their primary purpose is to please the crowd and provide entertainment. Their enclosures are too compact, they're too close to each other which leads to violence between the Orcas, and mother and calf are separated almost immediately after birth, often to transport the calf to another theme park. This is unacceptable. The quality of the Orcas enclosures and diet is abysmal, and they're not being put in environments that at least somewhat replicates the ocean. Therefore, I strongly protest against Seaworld. I'm glad they're preventing new orcas from being added now. I highly recommend the documentary, Blackfish, to anyone that would like more info about the issue. This is so on point. Seaworld, and other marine parks that hold cetaceans and force them to perform are inhumane. In addition to the poor health care and treatment Seaworld provides its whales, there is an issue with keeping large marine animals in captivity per se for long periods of time. Whales and orcas typically live in the ocean, where they are free to travel to any part of the world in a matter of months to find the resources and conditions they need. They hunt very large prey and have a complex and challenging social order. These facilities simply are not large enough to house such big, aggressive animals for long periods of times. It's especially bad how they force the animals to perform in shows, acting cute and friendly, under the guise of "educating the public", even though they make no effort to recreate any of the whales' natural behaviors. Let alone killer whales, it's really difficult for any organization to house large marine animals captive. I've heard the New England Aquarium had a several thousand gallon tank (very big) which they tried to keep sand sharks in, but the sharks could not handle the confined space. They were actually getting scoliosis from the current created within the tank walls! However, the difference between Seaworld and responsible, accredited aquariums like NEAQ, is that NEAQ has taken responsibility for the fact that they cannot provide for these creatures; They no longer keep sand sharks in the aquarium. Yet Seaworld rejects all criticism and has continued to keep Shamu after Shamu confined to their facilities for years.
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Post by darkforestwarrior on Sept 19, 2016 7:18:30 GMT -5
Accredited, reputable zoos are an excellent thing, imo. They are important for raising awareness and getting people to care about animals, they often save animals who would not be able to survive in the wild anyways, and they do important work towards the preservation of species. Basically echoing what others have already said lol
Also from what I've heard, Seaworld is ending its whale shows and breeding of orcas so as much as I dislike what they've done in that regard they actually ARE changing that, thank goodness.
Sideshow type carnivals that keep animals in tiny cages are horrible though. I remember when I was maybe ten or so one came to our town, they had a tiger in a cage that was hardly bigger than the animal, and they also had a baby lion they were letting people hold. THAT is what I'm against :\
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Post by darkforestwarrior on Sept 19, 2016 7:20:54 GMT -5
OH also I wanna throw it out there that animals literally do not have a concept of "freedom". Good zoos provide nice natural habitats for them and give them plenty of enrichment activities so they don't get bored, and they don't have to hunt which risks starvation or terrible injury.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Sept 21, 2016 12:16:42 GMT -5
I never really liked zoos. I was never a big fan of animals and I always thought they smelled bad. It is also a little sad to me to see all the animals in cages.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 20:56:38 GMT -5
I'm fine with zoos, as long as the animals are properly cared for. Many of the animals in the zoo are incapable of surviving in the wild, so it's good they have a home of their own where they are taken care of.
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Post by chipster321 on Sept 23, 2016 21:50:17 GMT -5
I feel that zoo's are helpful to the animals that are in danger of extinction because of poaching and that they are fine as long as they treat the animals right.
Panda's are no longer endangered because of zoos and the breeding program.
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Post by sɪʟᴠᴇʀᴏᴡʟ ☾ on Sept 23, 2016 22:38:48 GMT -5
•♕• i support (reputable, safe, proper, working, approved, etc.) zoos to the fullest. obviously there are many gaping holes in the system, but in the whole lots of zoos have made reat strides in the conservation of animals and the environment (also, those interested in animal behaviorism and zookeepin rescources, why-animals-do-the-thing.tumblr.com is awesome!!) •♔•
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Post by thatoneguy on Sept 24, 2016 2:00:18 GMT -5
I think there are good zoos and bad zoos. I see no problem with the good ones. Zoos accredited by the association of zoos and aquariums are usually really good. Also it should be known that lack of accreditation by the AZA does not automatically mean it's a bad zoo or aquiarium. There is an aquarium close to where I live that is not accredited by anyone but they take very good care of their animals and the AZA even loaned them a couple of clouded leopards ((do not ask me why an aquarium has leopards. I don't know either )
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Post by Stoneflower on Dec 14, 2016 2:42:23 GMT -5
Zoos are wonderful and are constantly improving to make the animals more comfortable. Atleast, that's how they are in the midwest. If my animation career falls through, being a zookeeper is my plan B.
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