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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 14:47:38 GMT -5
Which did you find to be the more pointless novella?
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 20, 2020 14:59:39 GMT -5
I haven't read Pebbleshine's Kits, but Dovewing's Silence was awfully boring. So I picked DS. Maybe my opinion will change once I read Pebbleshine's Kits!
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Post by crowspirit on Oct 20, 2020 15:07:25 GMT -5
Pebbleshine's Kits had adorable babies but nothing happened... Dovewing's Silence made me super angry but stuff happened. Sigh...
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Post by Skypaw13 on Oct 20, 2020 15:21:32 GMT -5
I'm going to break the rules and vote for Pebbleshine's Kits even though I haven't read it.
As you know, I DESPISE Dovewing's Silence. However, when it comes to which is more "pointless", I'd say PK didn't have enough going for it to even show up on my radar. Like, here are two orphan kits. Do we really need to know about their mother? Not really, especially when we get enough information about it in the main series from the kits' father.
By contrast, DS had a very defined purpose: It was an epilogue. The same way a single chapter is an epilogue to a larger book, this novella was an epilogue to the entire series. It showed realistic aftermath of the final battle (after the high of the ending) and rebuilding efforts, both literal and emotional. And it accomplished that. Unfortunately, it contained an extremely stupid plot point that made me disregard literally everything after it as canon, and that's why I hate it. But it wasn't pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 15:30:00 GMT -5
I'm going to break the rules and vote for Pebbleshine's Kits even though I haven't read it. As you know, I DESPISE Dovewing's Silence. However, when it comes to which is more "pointless", I'd say PK didn't have enough going for it to even show up on my radar. Like, here are two orphan kits. Do we really need to know about their mother? Not really, especially when we get enough information about it in the main series from the kits' father. By contrast, DS had a very defined purpose: It was an epilogue. The same way a single chapter is an epilogue to a larger book, this novella was an epilogue to the entire series. It showed realistic aftermath of the final battle (after the high of the ending) and rebuilding efforts, both literal and emotional. And it accomplished that. Unfortunately, it contained an extremely stupid plot point that made me disregard literally everything after it as canon, and that's why I hate it. But it wasn't pointless. True, I just didn't feel like it was needed since the DF fall out was shown in both Crowfeather's Trial and Bramblestar's Storm, and Dovewing had JUST got done having a POV. You're right about Pebbleshine's Kits, it's kind of sad that she never named them, because that seemed to be what people were looking forward to the most.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Oct 20, 2020 15:47:16 GMT -5
I'm going to break the rules and vote for Pebbleshine's Kits even though I haven't read it. As you know, I DESPISE Dovewing's Silence. However, when it comes to which is more "pointless", I'd say PK didn't have enough going for it to even show up on my radar. Like, here are two orphan kits. Do we really need to know about their mother? Not really, especially when we get enough information about it in the main series from the kits' father. By contrast, DS had a very defined purpose: It was an epilogue. The same way a single chapter is an epilogue to a larger book, this novella was an epilogue to the entire series. It showed realistic aftermath of the final battle (after the high of the ending) and rebuilding efforts, both literal and emotional. And it accomplished that. Unfortunately, it contained an extremely stupid plot point that made me disregard literally everything after it as canon, and that's why I hate it. But it wasn't pointless. True, I just didn't feel like it was needed since the DF fall out was shown in both Crowfeather's Trial and Bramblestar's Storm, and Dovewing had JUST got done having a POV. I don't know if it was "just". Dovewing had less page time than most other protagonists in the series, and at that point it had been two and a half years since her arc ended. Crowfeather's Trial is a complete nonissue because it came out four years after, you can't really consider it when talking about DS's writing and publication. Bramblestar's Storm was bizarre, I'll give you that. Like, BrS references things that happen in DS, but DS didn't come out until 2 months later. Though I don't feel like BrS subtracts from DS's value in any way-- BrS is another plot several moons after the happy ending, whereas DS really shows the gritty reality of having just fought such a massive battle, and that plot is what happens minutes after the ending instead of moons. They're different books with different purposes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 15:50:45 GMT -5
True, I just didn't feel like it was needed since the DF fall out was shown in both Crowfeather's Trial and Bramblestar's Storm, and Dovewing had JUST got done having a POV. I don't know if it was "just". Dovewing had less page time than most other protagonists in the series, and at that point it had been two and a half years since her arc ended. Crowfeather's Trial is a complete nonissue because it came out four years after, you can't really consider it when talking about DS's writing and publication. Bramblestar's Storm was bizarre, I'll give you that. Like, BrS references things that happen in DS, but DS didn't come out until 2 months later. Though I don't feel like BrS subtracts from DS's value in any way-- BrS is another plot several moons after the happy ending, whereas DS really shows the gritty reality of having just fought such a massive battle, and that plot is what happens minutes after the ending instead of moons. They're different books with different purposes. Were there books that came out in between OOTS and Dovewing's Silence? I know nothing about the publication dates, yesterday, I found out that Tallstar's Revenge didn't come out in the mid 2000s, and DOTC didn't come out in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 15:53:24 GMT -5
I'm going to break the rules and vote for Pebbleshine's Kits even though I haven't read it. As you know, I DESPISE Dovewing's Silence. However, when it comes to which is more "pointless", I'd say PK didn't have enough going for it to even show up on my radar. Like, here are two orphan kits. Do we really need to know about their mother? Not really, especially when we get enough information about it in the main series from the kits' father. By contrast, DS had a very defined purpose: It was an epilogue. The same way a single chapter is an epilogue to a larger book, this novella was an epilogue to the entire series. It showed realistic aftermath of the final battle (after the high of the ending) and rebuilding efforts, both literal and emotional. And it accomplished that. Unfortunately, it contained an extremely stupid plot point that made me disregard literally everything after it as canon, and that's why I hate it. But it wasn't pointless. What’s that stupid plot point? The Three losing their powers?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 15:56:52 GMT -5
I don't know if it was "just". Dovewing had less page time than most other protagonists in the series, and at that point it had been two and a half years since her arc ended. Crowfeather's Trial is a complete nonissue because it came out four years after, you can't really consider it when talking about DS's writing and publication. Bramblestar's Storm was bizarre, I'll give you that. Like, BrS references things that happen in DS, but DS didn't come out until 2 months later. Though I don't feel like BrS subtracts from DS's value in any way-- BrS is another plot several moons after the happy ending, whereas DS really shows the gritty reality of having just fought such a massive battle, and that plot is what happens minutes after the ending instead of moons. They're different books with different purposes. Were there books that came out in between OOTS and Dovewing's Silence? I know nothing about the publication dates, yesterday, I found out that Tallstar's Revenge didn't come out in the mid 2000s, and DOTC didn't come out in 2017. A few DOTC books came out in between, with Tallstar’s Revenge and Bramblestar’s Storm and Yellowfang’s Secret
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Post by Skypaw13 on Oct 20, 2020 15:59:28 GMT -5
I don't know if it was "just". Dovewing had less page time than most other protagonists in the series, and at that point it had been two and a half years since her arc ended. Crowfeather's Trial is a complete nonissue because it came out four years after, you can't really consider it when talking about DS's writing and publication. Bramblestar's Storm was bizarre, I'll give you that. Like, BrS references things that happen in DS, but DS didn't come out until 2 months later. Though I don't feel like BrS subtracts from DS's value in any way-- BrS is another plot several moons after the happy ending, whereas DS really shows the gritty reality of having just fought such a massive battle, and that plot is what happens minutes after the ending instead of moons. They're different books with different purposes. Were there books that came out in between OOTS and Dovewing's Silence? I know nothing about the publication dates, yesterday, I found out that Tallstar's Revenge didn't come out in the mid 2000s, and DOTC didn't come out in 2017. Yeah. TLH was April 3rd, 2012, and DS was November 4th, 2014. In that time we got the first four books of DotC, 3 SEs (YS, TR, BrS), 4 novellas (Mistystar, Cloudstar, Tigerclaw, Leafpool), and The Ultimate Guide.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Oct 20, 2020 16:00:21 GMT -5
I'm going to break the rules and vote for Pebbleshine's Kits even though I haven't read it. As you know, I DESPISE Dovewing's Silence. However, when it comes to which is more "pointless", I'd say PK didn't have enough going for it to even show up on my radar. Like, here are two orphan kits. Do we really need to know about their mother? Not really, especially when we get enough information about it in the main series from the kits' father. By contrast, DS had a very defined purpose: It was an epilogue. The same way a single chapter is an epilogue to a larger book, this novella was an epilogue to the entire series. It showed realistic aftermath of the final battle (after the high of the ending) and rebuilding efforts, both literal and emotional. And it accomplished that. Unfortunately, it contained an extremely stupid plot point that made me disregard literally everything after it as canon, and that's why I hate it. But it wasn't pointless. What’s that stupid plot point? The Three losing their powers? Affirmative.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 16:04:55 GMT -5
@terra and Skypaw13Thanks! Hm, maybe Dovewing's Silence isn't as pointless as I thought, but I still don't like some aspects of it, and I still don't like how one novella and two SEs all focused on the DF Battle and what not.
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Post by Fireleap on Oct 20, 2020 19:02:10 GMT -5
I liked Pebbleshine's Kits more, but Dovewing's Silence had more of a purpose.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 20, 2020 19:33:39 GMT -5
I'm neutral on both- DW and PK were equally meh.
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Post by silentbreeze on Oct 20, 2020 20:02:58 GMT -5
Dovewing's Silence for all of the reasons everyone stated. Also the fact that they set up Breezepelt to be at least a reoccurring villain, only to change it to a redemption in a SE was kinda disappointing.
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