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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 20:42:40 GMT -5
Reading Yellowfang’s Secret again and... why did she fall for Raggedstar? 90% he’s a big jerk to her for no reason and she loves him. There’s only a few scenes where he actually shows he cares, but it doesn’t excuse his behavior the rest of the book. I didn’t realize until now how he kept pushing her to be a warrior and “the best warrior” was for his best interest. It didn’t seem like he wanted that for her at all. He keeps pushing her to focus on battle training and becoming angry at her when she helps Sagewhisker even though she has every right to help the medicine cat without being one?? I don’t know, he just really sucks lol. I don’t feel bad that Brokenstar killed him ^~^”
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 20:47:08 GMT -5
i guess my own theory is that her empathy powers were leaving her feeling isolated from her coanmates, and the few times raggedstar was kind were enough for her to latch on. raggedstar is trash tho like dear god. this scene in particular frightened me quite a bit. raggedstar is such a blatantly emotionally abusive guy.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 18, 2020 20:54:05 GMT -5
i guess my own theory is that her empathy powers were leaving her feeling isolated from her coanmates, and the few times raggedstar was kind were enough for her to latch on. raggedstar is trash tho like dear god. this scene in particular frightened me quite a bit. raggedstar is such a blatantly emotionally abusive guy. i don't remember, did yellowfang ever tell ragged about her powers?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 20:55:57 GMT -5
i guess my own theory is that her empathy powers were leaving her feeling isolated from her coanmates, and the few times raggedstar was kind were enough for her to latch on. raggedstar is trash tho like dear god. this scene in particular frightened me quite a bit. raggedstar is such a blatantly emotionally abusive guy. i don't remember, did yellowfang ever tell ragged about her powers? i dont believe so. i was looking around more and honestly hes so bad tho. he puts on a threatening tone when she wont bend to his demands, guilts her for not putting being in a relationship wih him above her happiness, threatens her when she tries to connect with her only surviving kit, and dismisses her goals as nonsense.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 18, 2020 21:01:33 GMT -5
I always thought of it as being:
A. A preference
B. An empathy thing
Perhaps Yellowfang preferred a blunt cat like Raggedpelt, one who was fierce in battle and determined to prove himself. Foxheart also had quite the thing for him, so maybe cats just liked cats like that? Maybe she saw him as attractive, I'm not sure.
The empathy thing makes more sense, though. Maybe she felt he was misunderstood and that resonated with her, which from what I remember seems to be what happened. She was always curious about him and stuff and she knew how lonely he was inside.
I never liked Raggedstar a whole lot, though. I found him to be over-the-top with his harshness. He also appointed Foxheart deputy to make Yellowfang jealous and he sucked a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 21:37:32 GMT -5
I saw it as a "I can fix/help/change them" thing. Happens in popular media (bad boy x good girl) and irl as well
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 18, 2020 22:37:25 GMT -5
I saw it as a "I can fix/help/change them" thing. Happens in popular media (bad boy x good girl) and irl as well Yeah. She even goes out of her way to try to fix him. As for Raggedpelt, I dunno why he was interested in her back but I'm curious. Maybe because she tried helping?
Either way the relationship was never meant to work out. Ragged just isn't relationship material.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 19, 2020 1:08:25 GMT -5
The first thing that popped into my head while thinking about this was
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 1:13:50 GMT -5
Raggedpelt was an idiotic, spiteful, tool of a cat. Good riddance, the one good thing Brokenstar did. Reading about their relationship in Yellowfang's Secret then having Yellowfang speak fondly of him in ITW just gives me bad vibes for some reason.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 19, 2020 1:16:44 GMT -5
Perhaps Yellowfang just had low standards
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Post by Flanoir on Oct 19, 2020 1:45:17 GMT -5
Raggedstar's portrayal was really disappointing. With how Yellowfang talked about him in TPB, I expected a fierce, but established and noble leader. Instead we got a self-righteous jerk, who had a shortish tenure. Brokenstar used him as a stepping stone, but so did the plot. Well, at least it explains how someone like Brokentail was made deputy, if Raggedstar wasn't all that wise.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 19, 2020 19:17:06 GMT -5
Did Yellowfang ever realize how much of a jerk Raggedstar was, and move on from him? (I can't remember.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 20:26:11 GMT -5
i guess my own theory is that her empathy powers were leaving her feeling isolated from her coanmates, and the few times raggedstar was kind were enough for her to latch on. raggedstar is trash tho like dear god. this scene in particular frightened me quite a bit. raggedstar is such a blatantly emotionally abusive guy. Yeah, that makes sense. They both felt like outsiders to the clan and probably felt comfort in that (at least she did). Yeah... He makes me uncomfortable lol When he realizes he made a mistake with making Brokenstar as deputy and Yellowfang telling him off made me laugh lol. Too bad he was a bad influence on Broken and it was too late to change anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 20:26:56 GMT -5
i guess my own theory is that her empathy powers were leaving her feeling isolated from her coanmates, and the few times raggedstar was kind were enough for her to latch on. raggedstar is trash tho like dear god. this scene in particular frightened me quite a bit. raggedstar is such a blatantly emotionally abusive guy. i don't remember, did yellowfang ever tell ragged about her powers? No, she never told anyone
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 20:27:45 GMT -5
i don't remember, did yellowfang ever tell ragged about her powers? i dont believe so. i was looking around more and honestly hes so bad tho. he puts on a threatening tone when she wont bend to his demands, guilts her for not putting being in a relationship wih him above her happiness, threatens her when she tries to connect with her only surviving kit, and dismisses her goals as nonsense. He’s #1 terrible mate in my opinion lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 20:28:50 GMT -5
I always thought of it as being:
A. A preference
B. An empathy thing
Perhaps Yellowfang preferred a blunt cat like Raggedpelt, one who was fierce in battle and determined to prove himself. Foxheart also had quite the thing for him, so maybe cats just liked cats like that? Maybe she saw him as attractive, I'm not sure.
The empathy thing makes more sense, though. Maybe she felt he was misunderstood and that resonated with her, which from what I remember seems to be what happened. She was always curious about him and stuff and she knew how lonely he was inside.
I never liked Raggedstar a whole lot, though. I found him to be over-the-top with his harshness. He also appointed Foxheart deputy to make Yellowfang jealous and he sucked a lot. Right?? He kept going against Yellowfang’s warnings and definitely pays for it later which I enjoy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 20:30:28 GMT -5
Did Yellowfang ever realize how much of a jerk Raggedstar was, and move on from him? (I can't remember.) When he gets killed and basically she says “I always loved you. What went wrong?” So I definitely think she still loved him the whole book and maybe even in StarClan
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 20, 2020 11:09:11 GMT -5
Did Yellowfang ever realize how much of a jerk Raggedstar was, and move on from him? (I can't remember.) When he gets killed and basically she says “I always loved you. What went wrong?” So I definitely think she still loved him the whole book and maybe even in StarClan Thanks!
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