Robinbreeze
On vacation till the 27th. Will work on replies when I get back.
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Post by Robinbreeze on Oct 15, 2020 14:29:13 GMT -5
Ok, I don't know if anyone else has done anything like this, but I'm doing it anyway.
So, most people have read up to the last book, and we're all getting restless to see who the imposter is (Or is that just me?). I kinda just want to see who other people think it is. I mean, we all have our opinions.
My personal opinion is... either Scourge or Darktail. I loved Darktail's reign on villainy and I kinda want to see something include him again. I know that it's not the best, and I don't totally agree with it myself, but I just wanted to put that there. Also, Scourge. For him, it's basically just because of his coat/eye colors. We know that the imposter has darkish blue eyes and they have to have a dark coat, otherwise Shadowsight would have seen a more specific color when he met the imposter, right?
Yeah, my guesses aren't the best, but what do you guys have? Feel free to say any guesses, clues or suspisions you have about the imposter. I honestly want to hear them!
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 15, 2020 14:33:52 GMT -5
Ok, I don't know if anyone else has done anything like this, but I'm doing it anyway. So, most people have read up to the last book, and we're all getting restless to see who the imposter is (Or is that just me?). I kinda just want to see who other people think it is. I mean, we all have our opinions. My personal opinion is... either Scourge or Darktail. I loved Darktail's reign on villainy and I kinda want to see something include him again. I know that it's not the best, and I don't totally agree with it myself, but I just wanted to put that there. Also, Scourge. For him, it's basically just because of his coat/eye colors. We know that the imposter has darkish blue eyes and they have to have a dark coat, otherwise Shadowsight would have seen a more specific color when he met the imposter, right? Yeah, my guesses aren't the best, but what do you guys have? Feel free to say any guesses, clues or suspisions you have about the imposter. I honestly want to hear them! The impostor literally says he's Ashfur in the sample. And neither Scourge or Darktail knew Squirrelflight enough (or at all) to form an obsession with her. Plus, he's stated to have dark blue eyes, so that already rules out Scourge.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 15, 2020 14:51:14 GMT -5
“It is me. It’s Ashfur.” This stranger spoke with a voice harsher than Bramblestar’s. It had an edge that seemed to carry a sneer. And yet he spoke softly, uncertainty gone as hope seemed to triumph. “I knew you’d realize eventually. I knew you’d see the truth.”
That quote is from warriorcats.com/content/article/exclusive-darkness-within-excerptExclusive! Darkness Within: Excerpt by Kate Cary Scourge had no possible links with Squirrelflight or her kin. The Imposter acts nothing like him. Darktail didn't have an obsession over Squirrel either, so if it were him, it wouldn't make sense.
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 15, 2020 15:16:49 GMT -5
Yes, I know and I just read the excerpt... I still would have liked it to be Darktail. I get the feeling of it wanting to be someone else, but for it to gave been Darktail, he would've actually need to have had a connection with Squirrelflight for the obsession to make sense. He didn't. In fact, he never even had a conversation with her or any other ThunderClan cat besides the ones who came to the gorge. And his quarrel was with Onestar anyway, and he's dead too. For him to be behind this just wouldn't make any sense unless you retcon the entirety of AVoS (or at least the first half).
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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Oct 15, 2020 15:34:18 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok people... I get it, I was wrong (I hate being wrong, but whatever). But I just felt something was too off for it to have been Ashfur. -Kate said a controversial character would be returning -tom -the cat has been to StarClan as stated in VOS -Sneers when talking about Bramblestar to Shadowsight in head -possesses Bramblestar -obsessed w Squirrelflight -Bristlefrost says he needs her attention more than a newborn kit -Asks her to stay with him in camp -knows territory -“I came back...for you” -Dark blue eyes -“....You used to stand up to me then too” -“You always had a soft spot for weak cats -“She was always hotheaded” -Bristlefrost notes he sounds worried for Squirrelflight” -Bristlefrost herself wonders why he is suddenly so obsessed with Squirrelflight -stays in one corner brooding entire time while in camp when Squirrelflight’s gone -Claims to be in pain while she’s absent from camp -tail dropping when he can’t spot Squirrelflight -Stops attacking Tigerstar when he sees Squirrelflight is alive No other cat but Ashfur fits the profile whatsoever
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Post by finland on Oct 15, 2020 15:37:16 GMT -5
It's Hawkfrost. He faked fading away. Duh
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 15, 2020 18:54:20 GMT -5
I have a hard time forgiving the authors for who the imposter is, in all honesty. I feel like...I dunno, it kind of ruined his character. I'm aware that many fans asked way too much for him to be shown either as a "full villain" or given a redemption arc, rather than leaving it to be in the gray area it was in, but I honestly don't think they should have catered to it. His character just seems...off in this series. I feel something is offvery badly with his character, and it was hard to believe it even when he admitted who he was. It just sucks since he was my favorite character..okay, ONE of them since I have a ton, but this series honestly worries me because I feel like it butchered him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 18:56:13 GMT -5
I have a hard time forgiving the authors for who the imposter is, in all honesty. I feel like...I dunno, it kind of ruined his character. I'm aware that many fans asked way too much for him to be shown either as a "full villain" or given a redemption arc, rather than leaving it to be in the gray area it was in, but I honestly don't think they should have catered to it. His character just seems...off in this series. I feel something is offvery badly with his character, and it was hard to believe it even when he admitted who he was. It just sucks since he was my favorite character..okay, ONE of them since I have a ton, but this series honestly worries me because I feel like it butchered him. i dont rlly care about the imposters identity but ashfur was very much not a “gray area” character even before tbc. he helped hawkfrost take one of firestars lives and attempted to burn hollyleaf, lionblaze, and jayfeather to death and force squirrelflight to watch because she wouldnt date him. thats not gray, thats morally repugnant.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 15, 2020 18:56:54 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok people... I get it, I was wrong (I hate being wrong, but whatever). But I just felt something was too off for it to have been Ashfur. Yeah I felt he was horribly off, even for his character. Something about it...doesn't seem right at all in all honesty.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 15, 2020 20:38:15 GMT -5
Ah, if only Ashfur had been sent to the Dark Forest in the first place, and if he was yeeted by Squirrelflight in The Last Hope's battle, none of this would not have been even happening
Why, Yellowfang?
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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Oct 15, 2020 22:16:59 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok people... I get it, I was wrong (I hate being wrong, but whatever). But I just felt something was too off for it to have been Ashfur. Yeah I felt he was horribly off, even for his character. Something about it...doesn't seem right at all in all honesty. He’s an extremely good villain and very well written so if you asks me it really boosts his character
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Post by barberz on Oct 15, 2020 22:19:13 GMT -5
It's Hawkfrost. He faked fading away. Duh this is true
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Crysolis
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Post by Crysolis on Oct 16, 2020 13:12:13 GMT -5
Ok, I feel done with Warriors rn, but I know it's just going to be for a while. And Fernshiine I thank you for the understanding. Dude I’m so sorry you’re being treated this way there’s absolutely no need for it. Even if you’re wrong there’s no need for people to repeatedly brash it down your throat. Feels impossible to make theories sometimes without a backlash or sarcastic comments.
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Robinbreeze
On vacation till the 27th. Will work on replies when I get back.
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Post by Robinbreeze on Oct 16, 2020 13:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by Redstorm on Oct 16, 2020 13:47:34 GMT -5
Ok, I feel done with Warriors rn, but I know it's just going to be for a while. And Fernshiine I thank you for the understanding. don't let it get to you man. I do agree that there's a lot we don't know so I'm still sure there are surprises left in TBC
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 13:56:53 GMT -5
I think Ashfur probably is the impostor, but I don't see him being the ring leader. However, I can see why they might make him the ring leader, even if it doesn't really fit from what we've seen of him before this arc. It will probably be like, he's going after the code-breakers, because he's miffed that Bramblestar covered up Hollyleaf's killing of him, why he's involving his own foster brother and the other elders, I have no idea. Oh! What if there is more than one impostor possessing Bramblestar at the same time?
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Post by finland on Oct 16, 2020 14:25:46 GMT -5
There are plot holes with it being Ashfur. I personally think there is no way he's working alone.
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Oct 16, 2020 16:50:43 GMT -5
There are plot holes with it being Ashfur. I personally think there is no way he's working alone. SPIRESIGHT
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 16, 2020 17:23:51 GMT -5
I have a hard time forgiving the authors for who the imposter is, in all honesty. I feel like...I dunno, it kind of ruined his character. I'm aware that many fans asked way too much for him to be shown either as a "full villain" or given a redemption arc, rather than leaving it to be in the gray area it was in, but I honestly don't think they should have catered to it. His character just seems...off in this series. I feel something is offvery badly with his character, and it was hard to believe it even when he admitted who he was. It just sucks since he was my favorite character..okay, ONE of them since I have a ton, but this series honestly worries me because I feel like it butchered him. i dont rlly care about the imposters identity but ashfur was very much not a “gray area” character even before tbc. he helped hawkfrost take one of firestars lives and attempted to burn hollyleaf, lionblaze, and jayfeather to death and force squirrelflight to watch because she wouldnt date him. thats not gray, thats morally repugnant. He was supposed to be a cat acting out of pain and a large amount of jealousy, someone who wasn't evil so much as obsessive and misled by the whims of his heart.
Ashfur was never meant to be a black-or-white character, although he went out of his way to bring agony to Squirrelflight before. The Erins even stated he may have not given away the secret, which sort of sucks if it were true because they never really elaborated on that. He was meant to be a cat who was driven mad by jealousy and suffering, but not one who was absolutely sinister. We never know what Hawkfrost said to Ashfur or even how the heck they managed to meet and discuss things in the first place, and as far as the kits thing goes it wasn't planned as much as him seeing it as a way to hurt Squirrelflight during the given moment. A jerk move but it leaves him with a lot of mystery, especially with what Yellowfang said.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 16, 2020 17:28:17 GMT -5
Yeah I felt he was horribly off, even for his character. Something about it...doesn't seem right at all in all honesty. He’s an extremely good villain and very well written so if you asks me it really boosts his character He was well-written before, to be honest. Now I feel like he isn't. Based on personality alone I wouldn't have guessed it was Ashfur, besides the obsession with Squirrelflight. The original Ashfur was written to be someone whose morals were corrupted by a broken heart, yes, but it doesn't seem Ashfur-like to say "the Clans" hurt him. He would do a lot to hurt Squirrelflight too, but you would think he would have stopped with how he seemed to suddenly care for her as a mate again.
If you read the excerpt for the newest book, or even Graystripe's Vow, he seems rather sneery. Ashfur usually only acted like that when he felt hurt. Maybe his spirit is constantly suffering? That could explain the need for poppy seeds. Maybe if the Erins explain more, I'll like his character again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 17:29:22 GMT -5
i dont rlly care about the imposters identity but ashfur was very much not a “gray area” character even before tbc. he helped hawkfrost take one of firestars lives and attempted to burn hollyleaf, lionblaze, and jayfeather to death and force squirrelflight to watch because she wouldnt date him. thats not gray, thats morally repugnant. He was supposed to be a cat acting out of pain and a large amount of jealousy, someone who wasn't evil so much as obsessive and misled by the whims of his heart.
cool motive, still attempted murder
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 17:33:40 GMT -5
i dont rlly care about the imposters identity but ashfur was very much not a “gray area” character even before tbc. he helped hawkfrost take one of firestars lives and attempted to burn hollyleaf, lionblaze, and jayfeather to death and force squirrelflight to watch because she wouldnt date him. thats not gray, thats morally repugnant. He was supposed to be a cat acting out of pain and a large amount of jealousy, someone who wasn't evil so much as obsessive and misled by the whims of his heart.
Ashfur was never meant to be a black-or-white character, although he went out of his way to bring agony to Squirrelflight before. The Erins even stated he may have not given away the secret, which sort of sucks if it were true because they never really elaborated on that. He was meant to be a cat who was driven mad by jealousy and suffering, but not one who was absolutely sinister. We never know what Hawkfrost said to Ashfur or even how the heck they managed to meet and discuss things in the first place, and as far as the kits thing goes it wasn't planned as much as him seeing it as a way to hurt Squirrelflight during the given moment. A jerk move but it leaves him with a lot of mystery, especially with what Yellowfang said.
actually im expanding because this rlly bothers me, this isnt grey morality. it doesnt matter if his actions werent pre-meditated, he helped cause the death of his leader and attempted to burn three innocent cats alive to hurt a woman who didnt date him. thats firmly a horrible thing to do, it doesnt matter if he was emotionally hurt because a woman rejected him. there is nothing grey about his actions whatsoever, whether or not an action is pre-meditated and how it is motivated does not determine the morality of the behavior, and his particular motivation does not make ashfurs actions any better. i replied mostly out of courtesy and to put my thoughts out, but id rather not pursue this debate any further because it lowkey upsets me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 18:25:41 GMT -5
Why debate if it’s gonna upset you if the other person tries to make their point tho nettle? i said i replied to acknowledge i had seen it and give my thoughts. i figured it would be rude to flat out ignore the other person. i replied, but i am choosing not to fully engage and chose to express this in a way that wouldnt be insulting to the other party. im not “upset because they tried to make their point”, its for other reasons that would frankly be very rude if stated aloud.
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