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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 9:08:00 GMT -5
Drop your thoughts on it! I loved it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 9:14:26 GMT -5
One of the worst subplots in the series imo. Such a confusing boring mess. 6+ books of cheap angst and drama and yet by the end of it Cinderheart still has the personality of cardboard
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AsiPasasi
oh it's none of them
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Post by AsiPasasi on Oct 15, 2020 9:21:33 GMT -5
The idea was fine-ish but execution was even worse. I would have preferred it if it had been kept in the sidelines and from time to time Cinderheart mentions something about MC stuff or the old forest or being limp.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Oct 15, 2020 9:29:32 GMT -5
I don’t like how th at made in so she was just processed. That made it completely pointless.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 15, 2020 9:56:42 GMT -5
It was an unnecessary and terribly executed plotline.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 15, 2020 10:54:22 GMT -5
It sounds mean and cruel... but I wish Cinderpelt had just died and stayed dead. Instead, her body was shoved into that of a kit's. I wanted to see her in StarClan! It makes it also kinda awkward if Cinderpelt was Cinderheart during the CinderLion thing. It makes you go "HOLD UP."
Yeah, I'm neutral on it. It was kind of pointless and weird lol.
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Oct 15, 2020 11:35:51 GMT -5
It was weird. Really, really weird. Would have been better if Cinder had simply been reborn. It's so questionable and dodgy that a Starclan cat would just be allowed to possess a kit.
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Post by Brindlefern on Oct 15, 2020 11:55:31 GMT -5
Dumb, pointless, lessens the impact of Cinderpelt's story and makes her seem selfish imo by possessing Cinderheart's body considering the former was HAPPY to have been a good useful Medicine Cat and probably wouldn't've changed that, and was used for a stupid identity crisis that messed with Cinderheart's character late OoTS as well. Cinderheart should've simply been named after Cinderpelt in her honor (infact if I hadn't known about this dumb subplot that would've been my initial thought) and that should've been the end of it if the reincarnation plot was gonna be so terribly done.
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Post by metsfan09 on Oct 15, 2020 13:31:23 GMT -5
Did not really like it all. Why Cinderpelt out of all cats to be reincarnated?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 13:48:21 GMT -5
Did not really like it all. Why Cinderpelt out of all cats to be reincarnated? Because of the power of DESTINY!!!
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Post by sar8 on Oct 15, 2020 14:00:36 GMT -5
It sounds mean and cruel... but I wish Cinderpelt had just died and stayed dead. Instead, her body was shoved into that of a kit's. I wanted to see her in StarClan! It makes it also kinda awkward if Cinderpelt was Cinderheart during the CinderLion thing. It makes you go "HOLD UP." Yeah, I'm neutral on it. It was kind of pointless and weird lol. I agree, totally. I liked it at first when the kit was named Cinderkit after her, but I thought it was annoying when it was stated that she actually had the spirit of Cinderpelt.
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Post by Showers on Oct 15, 2020 14:25:58 GMT -5
one of the most frustrating and pointless plots in the series and kind of offensive.
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Post by whiteflight on Oct 15, 2020 18:58:10 GMT -5
Did not really like it all. Why Cinderpelt out of all cats to be reincarnated? 100000000% agree with this. There are tons of cats who got it more worse than Cinderpelt. Kits who got killed off from animals or sickness aren't able to be a warrior like Cinderpelt but yet they don't get reincarnated. I just wish Cinderpelt stayed dead the whole time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 20:21:44 GMT -5
One of the worst plotlines. Not to mention, it's unfair to other cats, what makes Cinderpelt so special? I also agree with happyheart about Cinderheart's personality, or lackthereof. Another thing I dislike about the whole thing, was how rude Leafpool was to Jayfeather, like, she kept putting Cinderheart's feelings over Jayfeather's, and what was good for the clans. Oh, and another thing that I forgot to add, was because of his feelings for Cinderheart, Lionblaze was willing to throw away the whole prophecy for her. So, not only did Cinderheart's existence turn Leafpool into a jerk, but it made Lionblaze look like a selfish idiot as well.
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Post by Sky Frost on Oct 15, 2020 20:26:31 GMT -5
Pretty much pointless. It was okay when Jayfeather and Leafpool knew, but after Jayfeather told Cinderheart it went downhill from there. She was fine being a warrior her whole life but after learning her previous life was a medicine cat she completely reevaluates her decision? The point of her being reborn was so she could become a warrior! Waste of paper imo
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Asexual
#07B04C
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 15, 2020 20:40:20 GMT -5
I liked it in PoT, and I wish the Cinderpelt/Cinderheart plot would have ended in that arc. It made OOTS almost unbearable to read.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 16, 2020 9:11:27 GMT -5
Completely unnecessary
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Oct 16, 2020 12:36:31 GMT -5
Hated it, one of my least favorite things about OOTS
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Post by Skypaw13 on Oct 16, 2020 14:56:23 GMT -5
I actually really liked the concept, I just feel like it wasn't planned out well enough to really have the desired impact. It's a subplot introduced in the back third of TNP and isn't resolved until OotS, with almost zero focus in between. (Dark River and The Forgotten Warrior are really the only two books that give attention to this, and in both it only takes up a few chapters)
What exactly is happening changes between those points as well. In TNP, it appears to be standard rebirth-- this is the same soul, same personality, but is just living a second time. In Po3, we have the implication that in this universe, memories somehow imprint onto your soul, but Cinderheart is still a typical reincarnation, she can just subconsciously draw on past memory. In OotS this changes completely to a horror-esque possession where Cinderpelt's memories somehow blended with Cinderheart's as a result of sharing the body.
So. Not a huge fan of that final form, but the middle one I really like. I actually wish they had also changed the Jay's Wing subplot a bit and then drawn parallels between Cinderheart and Jayfeather, because that concept is really cool.
I will say that whole "I used to be in love with your grandfather" thing is the only LionCinder scene I don't like. That was weird and gross and I don't like thinking about it.
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Bisexual
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finland
Porgs are love
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Post by finland on Oct 16, 2020 15:32:27 GMT -5
What's the point if they apparently undid it in the end?
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 16, 2020 16:20:37 GMT -5
Interesting in concept, but awful in execution. Vicky couldn't decide if it was a reincarnation or possession lmao.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 16, 2020 19:01:31 GMT -5
Oh boy. So overall: I dislike it a lot. It is one of the most pointless things that have happened in the series, perhaps even more so than Heathertail and Lionblaze's friendship.
So, it was never made clear on whether she was reincarnated or possessed to begin with, and at first I thought it was a reincarnation but apparently not at all, since her soul went whoosh to StarClan.
I think it would have been neat for it to be an actual reincarnation, one where she slowly turns more into the Cinder she was once. She was supposed to have been given the chance to be herself but to have been able to live a live as a warrior, which I didn't feel happened. Like, yeah, Cinderpelt possessed her and was able to see through her eyes, but she wasn't actually her and I feel like it's pointless.
What bothers me is that so many other cats have gone through trials and weren't reincarnated, so why choose Cinderpelt? If StarClan chose her than wouldn't it be unfair, given the fact cats like Shrewpaw, Swiftpaw, and Spottedleaf died before their time and weren't given a chance to live life to the fullest? And how does reincarnation work? It seems like StarClan controlled that but if so then how, and why can't they whoosh themselves back into some cat's body? And would that mean the Dark Forest cats could too?
In my opinion the idea could have been good but hardly any focus was given to it. Even as a side-plot it could have been good but there was poor explanation for it. The series makes StarClan out to be guidance cats, not cats with any power, yet they could choose that somehow?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 19:12:30 GMT -5
See now I'm confused all over again. She was possessed right? So like, did she have free will? Or was it just Cinderpelt manning her body?
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 16, 2020 19:20:57 GMT -5
See now I'm confused all over again. She was possessed right? So like, did she have free will? Or was it just Cinderpelt manning her body? I think it was the second one but, man, it's so confusing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 19:25:21 GMT -5
See now I'm confused all over again. She was possessed right? So like, did she have free will? Or was it just Cinderpelt manning her body? I think it was the second one but, man, it's so confusing. (I don't remember when Cinderpelt left her body or whatever so correct me). If it was Cinderpelt controlling Cindheart wouldn't that mean that technically Cinderpelt had the hots for Lionblaze? Oh no
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 16, 2020 19:40:12 GMT -5
I think it was the second one but, man, it's so confusing. (I don't remember when Cinderpelt left her body or whatever so correct me). If it was Cinderpelt controlling Cindheart wouldn't that mean that technically Cinderpelt had the hots for Lionblaze? Oh no Cinderpelt left her body and went to StarClan, but Cinderheart is still Lionblaze's mate. I used to think the same but now I am HELLA confused on the whole plot lol
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Post by Numquam on Oct 16, 2020 21:09:34 GMT -5
I found it kind of weird since Cinderpelt isn't the only cat to have an unfair change in her life but she's the only one we've seen live again as a second chance at life. Why was Cinderpelt given a second chance when others weren't? I wonder if there's been other cases of dead cats being given another chance to live out their dreams (before TPB. Not sure if the reincarnated trio count).
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 16, 2020 21:13:30 GMT -5
I found it kind of weird since Cinderpelt isn't the only cat to have an unfair change in her life but she's the only one we've seen live again as a second chance at life. Why was Cinderpelt given a second chance when others weren't? I wonder if there's been other cases of dead cats being given another chance to live out their dreams (before TPB. Not sure if the reincarnated trio count). I consider the trio real reincarnation as opposed to Cinderpelt to be honest.
And I'm not sure why they decided not to give other cats lives. Spottedleaf pretty much became a medicine cat due to self conflict. Snowfur died before she could raise her son. Bluestar's life sucked and she didn't get to really live at all like a normal cat. Goosefeather lived a lonely life due to a power he couldn't help. Swiftpaw died trying to achieve his dream...
I wonder why StarClan singled Cinderpelt out as well, honestly. It seems biased and I don't understand how they have the power to do that but barely anything else.
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