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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 2:06:26 GMT -5
have they changed/wiped him out of canon?
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Bananasauce
Onestar's name is what I would rate him as leader
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Post by Bananasauce on Oct 15, 2020 4:35:15 GMT -5
Not rly I guess the official family tree still has Oliver as his dad
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Post by metsfan09 on Oct 15, 2020 5:39:04 GMT -5
He’s technically not canon but because there’s nothing to dispute it I’d say we can still consider Oliver his father. They removed him mostly because (I think) Su Susann created him and the Warriors wiki doesn’t consider her word canon (which I agree with:Lilywhisker and Brightflower dark forest? Really?).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 5:51:03 GMT -5
He’s technically not canon but because there’s nothing to dispute it I’d say we can still consider Oliver his father. They removed him mostly because (I think) Su Susann created him and the Warriors wiki doesn’t consider her word canon (which I agree with:Lilywhisker and Brightflower dark forest? Really?). su susann?
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Post by metsfan09 on Oct 15, 2020 6:03:10 GMT -5
Su Susann is this random fan that worked on the German Wiki. Vicky hired her to fill out family trees and other stuff like that. But she took it too far in a few places like I mentioned Lilywhisker and Brightflower in the Dark Forest, a few weird names for kits (Rubblekit,Elderkit,Downkit) and questionable mate pairings. The Erins got criticized for even letting a fan create canon in the first place so the Warriors Wiki doesn’t consider the Su Susann stuff canon. If you want to see some of her work there is a reddit post with a bunch of Su Susann’s “missing kits” posts where she gives names and descriptions to kits that were mentioned but never seen again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 6:06:32 GMT -5
Su Susann is this random fan that worked on the German Wiki. Vicky hired her to fill out family trees and other stuff like that. But she took it too far in a few places like I mentioned Lilywhisker and Brightflower in the Dark Forest, a few weird names for kits (Rubblekit,Elderkit,Downkit). The Erins got criticized for even letting a fan create canon in the first place so the Warriors Wiki doesn’t consider the Su Susann stuff canon. If you want to see some of her work there is a reddit post with a bunch of Su Susann’s “missing kits” posts where she gives names and descriptions to kits that were mentioned but never seen again. link?
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Post by icefurs on Oct 15, 2020 15:02:29 GMT -5
Su Susann is this random fan that worked on the German Wiki. Vicky hired her to fill out family trees and other stuff like that. But she took it too far in a few places like I mentioned Lilywhisker and Brightflower in the Dark Forest, a few weird names for kits (Rubblekit,Elderkit,Downkit). The Erins got criticized for even letting a fan create canon in the first place so the Warriors Wiki doesn’t consider the Su Susann stuff canon. If you want to see some of her work there is a reddit post with a bunch of Su Susann’s “missing kits” posts where she gives names and descriptions to kits that were mentioned but never seen again. Honestly, I do like a few things Su created but not all of them. I enjoy the odd names and having some trivial info come to light such as Nightwing and Wolfstep to be the ShadowClan cats who died chasing Leafpool or confirmation on background cat families (I like the RiverClan ones but I'd absolutely replace Blackstar with Cedarheart as Tallpoppy's mate or have Boulder bring in his BloodClan kits instead of having them there among plenty of other things, but that's just me). I despise the Lilywhisker and Brightflower thing the most and the message it can send. If they were sent to the DF that way, then Briarlight should be there too by that logic. It makes zero sense either...so just being emotional can send you to the DF? Really?
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 15, 2020 17:02:39 GMT -5
I had to search up Su Susann and wow... Why did she do Lilywhisker like that? What's up Su? What went on in your head just then?
But yeah, according to the wiki or whatever Su did, his father is Oliver.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 18:35:53 GMT -5
Su Susann is this random fan that worked on the German Wiki. Vicky hired her to fill out family trees and other stuff like that. But she took it too far in a few places like I mentioned Lilywhisker and Brightflower in the Dark Forest, a few weird names for kits (Rubblekit,Elderkit,Downkit). The Erins got criticized for even letting a fan create canon in the first place so the Warriors Wiki doesn’t consider the Su Susann stuff canon. If you want to see some of her work there is a reddit post with a bunch of Su Susann’s “missing kits” posts where she gives names and descriptions to kits that were mentioned but never seen again. Honestly, I do like a few things Su created but not all of them. I enjoy the odd names and having some trivial info come to light such as Nightwing and Wolfstep to be the ShadowClan cats who died chasing Leafpool or confirmation on background cat families (I like the RiverClan ones but I'd absolutely replace Blackstar with Cedarheart as Tallpoppy's mate or have Boulder bring in his BloodClan kits instead of having them there among plenty of other things, but that's just me). I despise the Lilywhisker and Brightflower thing the most and the message it can send. If they were sent to the DF that way, then Briarlight should be there too by that logic. It makes zero sense either...so just being emotional can send you to the DF? Really? the lilywhisker thing always struck me as incredibly insensitive to people with physical disabilites, like it was basically “she was upset about being disabled so she went to hell” and imo brightflower rlly isnt that bad, it takes one highly emotional moment for her and extrapolates her to be some wicked, bedgrudging individual from it. i dont consider any of the su stuff canon besides a few kit names.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 15, 2020 19:04:26 GMT -5
Honestly, I do like a few things Su created but not all of them. I enjoy the odd names and having some trivial info come to light such as Nightwing and Wolfstep to be the ShadowClan cats who died chasing Leafpool or confirmation on background cat families (I like the RiverClan ones but I'd absolutely replace Blackstar with Cedarheart as Tallpoppy's mate or have Boulder bring in his BloodClan kits instead of having them there among plenty of other things, but that's just me). I despise the Lilywhisker and Brightflower thing the most and the message it can send. If they were sent to the DF that way, then Briarlight should be there too by that logic. It makes zero sense either...so just being emotional can send you to the DF? Really? the lilywhisker thing always struck me as incredibly insensitive to people with physical disabilites, like it was basically “she was upset about being disabled so she went to hell” and imo brightflower rlly isnt that bad, it takes one highly emotional moment for her and extrapolates her to be some wicked, bedgrudging individual from it. i dont consider any of the su stuff canon besides a few kit names. The Lilywhisker thing made no sense lol.
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Post by icefurs on Oct 15, 2020 19:08:38 GMT -5
Honestly, I do like a few things Su created but not all of them. I enjoy the odd names and having some trivial info come to light such as Nightwing and Wolfstep to be the ShadowClan cats who died chasing Leafpool or confirmation on background cat families (I like the RiverClan ones but I'd absolutely replace Blackstar with Cedarheart as Tallpoppy's mate or have Boulder bring in his BloodClan kits instead of having them there among plenty of other things, but that's just me). I despise the Lilywhisker and Brightflower thing the most and the message it can send. If they were sent to the DF that way, then Briarlight should be there too by that logic. It makes zero sense either...so just being emotional can send you to the DF? Really? the lilywhisker thing always struck me as incredibly insensitive to people with physical disabilites, like it was basically “she was upset about being disabled so she went to hell” and imo brightflower rlly isnt that bad, it takes one highly emotional moment for her and extrapolates her to be some wicked, bedgrudging individual from it. i dont consider any of the su stuff canon besides a few kit names. I agree. I'm physically disabled and have gotten help for it, but the message that sends is appalling. Lilywhisker should absolutely be able to express anger or sadness about her disability and NOT be sent to hell for it. I can totally see Brightflower going there if she killed or otherwise purposefully harmed someone because of that pain but I'm not sure if Su implied it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 19:11:39 GMT -5
the lilywhisker thing always struck me as incredibly insensitive to people with physical disabilites, like it was basically “she was upset about being disabled so she went to hell” and imo brightflower rlly isnt that bad, it takes one highly emotional moment for her and extrapolates her to be some wicked, bedgrudging individual from it. i dont consider any of the su stuff canon besides a few kit names. I agree. I'm physically disabled and have gotten help for it, but the message that sends is appalling. Lilywhisker should absolutely be able to express anger or sadness about her disability and NOT be sent to hell for it. I can totally see Brightflower going there if she killed or otherwise purposefully harmed someone because of that pain but I'm not sure if Su implied it. i dont think she did say an exact reason for brightflower? not one that i recall anyways. if it was based on the moment where brightflower said the whole “did you kill my kits” thing to yellowfang, then its being blown way out of proportion. brightflower was a grieving mother whos kits corpses were just presented to her, then brokenstar offered a target for the anger that would naturally follow. i dont blame brightflower for getting angry at yellowfang in the heat of the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 19:17:51 GMT -5
will cloudtail get a proper father in the canon or?
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Post by icefurs on Oct 15, 2020 21:17:49 GMT -5
will cloudtail get a proper father in the canon or? At this point it's unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 22:31:11 GMT -5
Su Susann is this random fan that worked on the German Wiki. Vicky hired her to fill out family trees and other stuff like that. But she took it too far in a few places like I mentioned Lilywhisker and Brightflower in the Dark Forest, a few weird names for kits (Rubblekit,Elderkit,Downkit) and questionable mate pairings. The Erins got criticized for even letting a fan create canon in the first place so the Warriors Wiki doesn’t consider the Su Susann stuff canon. If you want to see some of her work there is a reddit post with a bunch of Su Susann’s “missing kits” posts where she gives names and descriptions to kits that were mentioned but never seen again. Really makes me wonder what happened to Su. Very shitty of the fandom to bully a person cause they were jealous of her.
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