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Post by fire on Oct 11, 2020 20:26:00 GMT -5
Currently reading through this series, so any thoughts?
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Post by fire on Oct 11, 2020 20:47:52 GMT -5
One of best arcs in series Any reasons why?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 11, 2020 20:48:40 GMT -5
One of the worst arcs in the series for me. Predictability isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the story was just too generic to keep my interest, though I did love Bluestar, Firestar, and FirexSand. BloodClan should've also been foreshadowed earlier or just have the battle be against TigerClan and LionClan, and Graystripe was just downright annoying and shouldn't have been made deputy so soon after he returned, regardless of Whitestorm's wishes.
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Post by fire on Oct 11, 2020 20:53:01 GMT -5
One of the worst arcs in the series for me. Predictability isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the story was just too generic to keep my interest, though I did love Bluestar, Firestar, and FirexSand. BloodClan should've also been foreshadowed earlier or just have the battle be against TigerClan and LionClan, and Graystripe was just downright annoying and shouldn't have been made deputy so soon after he returned, regardless of Whitestorm's wishes. What's your favorite arc in the series, and why? And I agree, BloodClan coming out of nowhere wasn't the greatest of twists. Graystripe was cool, but I'm not sure if he showed deputy qualities, but he made a good one.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 11, 2020 20:56:04 GMT -5
One of the worst arcs in the series for me. Predictability isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the story was just too generic to keep my interest, though I did love Bluestar, Firestar, and FirexSand. BloodClan should've also been foreshadowed earlier or just have the battle be against TigerClan and LionClan, and Graystripe was just downright annoying and shouldn't have been made deputy so soon after he returned, regardless of Whitestorm's wishes. What's your favorite arc in the series, and why? And I agree, BloodClan coming out of nowhere wasn't the greatest of twists. Graystripe was cool, but I'm not sure if he showed deputy qualities, but he made a good one. Currently it's PoT. I loved the relationship between the siblings and how each had their own little story arc, and the way the arc ended was all so very tense.
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Post by fire on Oct 11, 2020 20:57:59 GMT -5
What's your favorite arc in the series, and why? And I agree, BloodClan coming out of nowhere wasn't the greatest of twists. Graystripe was cool, but I'm not sure if he showed deputy qualities, but he made a good one. Currently it's PoT. I loved the relationship between the siblings and how each had their own little story arc, and the way the arc ended was all so very tense. Good choice, I've yet to read it since I'm reading the series in chronological order, but from what I hear, Lionblaze is a really good character, and I've heard good thigns about Hollyleaf and Jayfeather. Makes me excited to read the series
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Post by Spinestar on Oct 11, 2020 21:32:05 GMT -5
Currently it's PoT. I loved the relationship between the siblings and how each had their own little story arc, and the way the arc ended was all so very tense. Good choice, I've yet to read it since I'm reading the series in chronological order, but from what I hear, Lionblaze is a really good character, and I've heard good thigns about Hollyleaf and Jayfeather. Makes me excited to read the series bruh Holly and Lion dont exist yet as of VOS
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 11, 2020 21:46:56 GMT -5
I love TPB! It's the start of my favourite series ever. The characters are all super consistent, and the plotline was amazing. The Scourge twist wasn't bad. Personally, I think it gets too much hate. However, what 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 said was true. Graystripe in no way was ready or deserving of his deputyship. There were lots of other cats in the Clan. Graystripe shouldn't have been the one chosen for deputy. Anyway, yeah, I love TPB.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 11:11:10 GMT -5
It was nice. Not my favorite, but not my least favorite.
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Post by highprince on Oct 12, 2020 12:31:13 GMT -5
It was alright. It’s nostalgic, but going back and re-reading it, it definitely isn’t flawless. Graystripe and Firestar’s arguing was pointless and annoying, and the amount that Graystripe flipped between clans is also pretty frustrating.
Also, I will forever hate the BloodClan twist. They spent all this time building up LionClan and TigerClan, and the ultimate Fire/Tiger battle...only for BloodClan to come out of literally nowhere and take that all away. They could’ve at least been foreshadowed a little bit.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Oct 12, 2020 17:33:53 GMT -5
It’s my second least favorite arc (behind only TNP) but a lot of people love it. It’s not that I hate it or every dislike it all that much, it’s just that personally I like the other arcs better.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 12, 2020 20:15:06 GMT -5
Currently it's PoT. I loved the relationship between the siblings and how each had their own little story arc, and the way the arc ended was all so very tense. Good choice, I've yet to read it since I'm reading the series in chronological order, but from what I hear, Lionblaze is a really good character, and I've heard good thigns about Hollyleaf and Jayfeather. Makes me excited to read the series Oh, is this your first time reading the books, then?
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Post by fire on Oct 12, 2020 20:19:59 GMT -5
Good choice, I've yet to read it since I'm reading the series in chronological order, but from what I hear, Lionblaze is a really good character, and I've heard good thigns about Hollyleaf and Jayfeather. Makes me excited to read the series Oh, is this your first time reading the books, then? Some of them. I haven't read most of the series, but I've read all the books leading up to TPB (minus Spottedleaf's Heart and Redtail's Debt, which I skimmed). I've read most of TNP and TPB before, and some manga before. I know what happens in the books, but for most of them I've never actually read them and don't know the finer details.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 12, 2020 20:35:55 GMT -5
TPB is a pretty good series! It would probably be at the top of my list if PoT didn't exist.
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Post by fire on Oct 12, 2020 20:39:36 GMT -5
TPB is a pretty good series! It would probably be at the top of my list if PoT didn't exist. It's pretty good to me too
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Post by jayfeather1234 on Oct 15, 2020 7:40:28 GMT -5
If they potential gave Tigerstar a POV, they could have foreshadowed a conflict between Lionclan vs Tigerclan and Bloodclan, while making Scourge a really untrustworthy character, it wouldn’t have ruined the twist.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Oct 15, 2020 9:42:12 GMT -5
It was nice. Not my favorite, but not my least favorite. Same
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Post by fire on Oct 15, 2020 15:25:17 GMT -5
[/i] the series (and from a nostalgia standpoint) but it doesn't really do any one thing particularly well so it's just sorta like... okay? at least for me. the world-building could've been really good, but they don't really go out of their way to develop a history for the world or explore the implications of the rank system which they created or show how being cats impacts this weird little society they built? like there's the faintest hint that there is lore, occasionally, but it isn't ever really shown in this arc, they just like. tell you that it's there. "there were ancient clans of big cats" "there's a naming system (i think, maybe, we're making this up as we go along)" "[vague paw gestures at starclan]" and then they forget all about that in the next series and completely change everything after tnp so really you don't get anything out of those bits when you continue reading anyways. so then the next thing you'd look for is really good characters, but most of the characters just fall into stereotypes and tropes, only a handful get a proper personality or an intentional, interesting character arc, and most of the antagonists didn't really have motivations (if you're only reading tbc and ignore the sidebooks neither tigerstar nor scourge really have any motivations beyond "ambitious and mean" and its like. ok) and/or the way they go about things just doesn't really make sense (re: brokenstar and darkstripe "i have to hurt a child no don't ask me why there's no reason i'm just So Evil [proceeds to be completely incompetent]). also the fact that firestar didn't have an epic face-off with tigerstar or AT THE VERY LEAST darkstripe is so infuriating. like. why. did we go through all of that if firestar's primary antagonists from throughout his ENTIRE ARC are just going to get killed off by random characters they had virtually no interactions with in the final book. and then shoehorn in this stupid little cat with dog claws who firestar doesn't even know to send him to starclan once (1 time) and then also die super easily like. what was the point of all of this. please. so it's just like... there's this super underdeveloped world which is based on a VERY interesting and intriguing concept ! but they never fully explore it in tpb. and they don't exactly make up for that with good characters either. idk. i love tpb and the books aren't poorly written or anything (they're definitely something i can get lost in, vs like avos which i can barely read a few pages of without wanting to tear my eyes out lol) but the biggest appeal of tpb is that it introduces you to the Premise of feral cats living in a little society with a history and mythology and religion. it's an arc i enjoy but it doesn't really stand out as particularly good or bad in the grand scheme of things. several other arcs do a better job with characters(/dialogue) and the lore they introduce is inconsequential outside of field guides until like pot/oots/dotc at which point they completely reinvent it lol anyways yes this is my very long winded way of saying They Are Simply Alright. thank u. [/font][/ul][/quote]I have to disagree. I think the world-building was alright, but it could've been expanded upon like you said. Maybe they could've at least mentioned the original five leaders in this arc and just have TigerClan, LeopardClan, and LionClan treated as nursery tales, although I'm pretty sure they might already be. I think they had great characters, stereotypes or not, but I will agree with the whole final battle thing. Scourge was interesting and could've been better if he'd had better buildup. Tigerstar being killed was for shock value, and Scourge could've been a nice stand-in, if, like I said, he had been better built up. I'm reading through TPB right now, and it's pretty good to me. (I know what happens but I'm reading through the series in chronological order currently.)
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