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Post by Redstorm on Oct 10, 2020 14:10:40 GMT -5
It was interesting to see how strong Ashfur was with Bramblestar's body. Heard his fight skills praised, but with Bramblestar's body he's just able to do a lot more. How would you separately rank cat's fighting skills and bodies?
Rough estimate:
Skills: 1. Firestar, has a lot of creative techniques to defeat very powerful cats despite his average build. Also good at changing tactics throughout the battle.
2. Scourge, even without his dog claws, I believe he was still able to accomplish feats such as killing one of Brokenstar's rogues. The way he dodged an ambush from Tigerstar and counterattacked was incredible. Plus the way he would maneuver around Firestar in their battle. I do put Firestar above because I think he is better at improvising while Scourge seems more focused on dodging with movement and then pinning them down. I think Firestar just has more mixups and can be figured out less easily, although they're both very close.
3.Hollyleaf- I think she was very cognizant and studied fighting aspects that most cats didn't. I imagine her as a cat that labs out techniques (fighting game players would understand lol), I presume female cats are weaker in strength than male cats, so I think she's held back more by physicality than anything. Showed great feats during TLH including dealing with Hawkfrost, presumably enough to give him strong injuries.
Body: 1. Tigerstar- a hulking brute, but he also doesn't seem to be held back by a lethargic and slow disposition. As he can be quite fast and explosive in his ambushes.
2. Hawkfrost 3. Tigerstar II 4. Bramblestar 2 to 4 all have similar reasons as Tigerstar I, just less pronounced, strong genetics. I see Hawkfrost as the strongest and most agile. Something tells me Bramblestar is not as strong as Tigerstar II, can't pin why really, perhaps less working out lol.
5. Bone- don't have as much feats/evidence, but he's massive and also survived surprisingly long against the apprentice tag team after what seems like easily defeating Whitestorm and bleeding him out so much that he was unrecognizable. BloodClan was huge (could've been bigger than all 4 clans) and he probably had the strongest body in BloodClan (Scourge gets by with more skill and leadership), so I'll give to him there. Some other cats I could think of were Lionheart, Blackstar, etc but they just don't seem to match in my mind.
Was curious to hear you all's thoughts.
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Post by Moonblazer on Oct 10, 2020 15:08:14 GMT -5
I still give mad props to Graystripe for killing pretty dangerous cats and tossing them around like tissue paper. He seems like a very strong fighter, one that will do whatever it takes to protect his own.
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Post by Red ripple on Oct 10, 2020 15:55:34 GMT -5
I would agree with everything but I think Bramblestar would be stronger than Tigerstar II as Ashfur using brambles body on 2 separate occasions outmatched Tigerstar II
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Post by AsiPasasi on Oct 10, 2020 16:54:11 GMT -5
I don't agree with Hollyleaf being so high up there and I think Lionblaze should get more recognition. OotS Lionblaze is obviously strongest body but his skills were great even after he lost his powers, definitely greater than Hollyleaf's whos only achievement (holding her own against Hawkfrost) was entirely plot.
I think Bramblestar's body is bigger and stronger than Tigerstar II's, and that he has great skill as well, being taught by both Firestar and Tigerstar I.
While DotC cats are inherently weaker, I think Gray Wing's body and One Eye's skill should be noted. Gray Wing before the asthma was just going around slaying foxes and cats who trained and fought much more than him, it got to a point where every cat thought he was much bigger than he actually was. One Eye is weird, he lost to Thunder and two other cats but the way Clear Sky described him and his swiftness he seems like a very skillful fighter.
One last thing I want to note is that I'm disappointed at how Cloudtail was so promising in both body and skill when he was an apprentice but then all of his plot got diverted to helping Brightheart (which was great) and he was just forgotten as a strong fighter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 17:00:27 GMT -5
I don't agree with Hollyleaf being so high up there and I think Lionblaze should get more recognition. OotS Lionblaze is obviously strongest body but his skills were great even after he lost his powers, definitely greater than Hollyleaf's whos only achievement (holding her own against Hawkfrost) was entirely plot. I think Bramblestar's body is bigger and stronger than Tigerstar II's, and that he has great skill as well, being taught by both Firestar and Tigerstar I. While DotC cats are inherently weaker, I think Gray Wing's body and One Eye's skill should be noted. Gray Wing before the asthma was just going around slaying foxes and cats who trained and fought much more than him, it got to a point where every cat thought he was much bigger than he actually was. One Eye is weird, he lost to Thunder and two other cats but the way Clear Sky described him and his swiftness he seems like a very skillful fighter. One last thing I want to note is that I'm disappointed at how Cloudtail was so promising in both body and skill when he was an apprentice but then all of his plot got diverted to helping Brightheart (which was great) and he was just forgotten as a strong fighter. Yesss Lionblaze! The strongest warrior after the first Tigerstar
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