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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 9, 2020 12:22:34 GMT -5
Salutations!
So, I was re-reading Fire and Ice last night, and I got up to the part where Fireheart and Graystripe are arguing about Silverstream, and then couldn't read anymore. It was just too frustrating to read for me. Every scene where they argue about Silverstream makes my brain ache with anger.
So I thought, what are some frustrating things that happen in the books in your opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 12:45:32 GMT -5
TNP cats STILL being the center focus of all the clans. There are SOOO many new cats, yet they're never focused on. Oh? Crowfeather is at the border again? Does no one else patrol the border in WindClan? Where's Leaftail? Oh, there's that Mothwing again! Oh, you mean there are other cats in RiverClan? Could have fooled me!
All the stupid relationship drama, also, how in main character relationships, the toms are ALWAYSSS made out to be the jerks. And even in non-main relationships, 9/10, the she-cats are sweet innocent flowers, and the toms are rude ass controlling jerks.
Also, I'm a bit tired of EVERY single arc having a forbidden romance/crush.
Cinderheart and Sasha's existence.
How rude and ungrateful WindClan and ShadowClan are towards ThunderClan, they wouldn't even exist anymore if it wasn't for ThunderClan.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 9, 2020 13:06:26 GMT -5
TNP cats STILL being the center focus of all the clans. There are SOOO many new cats, yet they're never focused on. Oh? Crowfeather is at the border again? Does no one else patrol the border in WindClan? Where's Leaftail? Oh, there's that Mothwing again! Oh, you mean there are other cats in RiverClan? Could have fooled me! All the stupid relationship drama, also, how in main character relationships, the toms are ALWAYSSS made out to be the jerks. And even in non-main relationships, 9/10, the she-cats are sweet innocent flowers, and the toms are rude ass controlling jerks. Also, I'm a bit tired of EVERY single arc having a forbidden romance/crush. Cinderheart and Sasha's existence. How rude and ungrateful WindClan and ShadowClan are towards ThunderClan, they wouldn't even exist anymore if it wasn't for ThunderClan.
Exactly! In the literal first book, who helps them be free from the tyrant Brokenstar? ThunderClan! And who returns WindClan? ThunderClan! Who shelters the ShadowClan cats when ShadowClan falls apart? ThunderClan! They could have become rogues or disbanded forever. Without ThunderClan, ShadowClan would be a band of rogues. So would WindClan. And their helpfulness is returned with: Rudeness and ungratefulness Pointless Battles Guarded attitudes and spitefulness ShadowClan cats literally watching a kit suffer WindClan cats attacking ThunderClan just because they can Like what? Why
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 13:08:30 GMT -5
TNP cats STILL being the center focus of all the clans. There are SOOO many new cats, yet they're never focused on. Oh? Crowfeather is at the border again? Does no one else patrol the border in WindClan? Where's Leaftail? Oh, there's that Mothwing again! Oh, you mean there are other cats in RiverClan? Could have fooled me! All the stupid relationship drama, also, how in main character relationships, the toms are ALWAYSSS made out to be the jerks. And even in non-main relationships, 9/10, the she-cats are sweet innocent flowers, and the toms are rude ass controlling jerks. Also, I'm a bit tired of EVERY single arc having a forbidden romance/crush. Cinderheart and Sasha's existence. How rude and ungrateful WindClan and ShadowClan are towards ThunderClan, they wouldn't even exist anymore if it wasn't for ThunderClan.
Exactly! In the literal first book, who helps them be free from the tyrant Brokenstar? ThunderClan! And who returns WindClan? ThunderClan! Who shelters the ShadowClan cats when ShadowClan falls apart? ThunderClan! They could have become rogues or disbanded forever. Without ThunderClan, ShadowClan would be a band of rogues. So would WindClan. And their helpfulness is returned with: Rudeness and ungratefulness Pointless Battles Guarded attitudes and spitefulness ShadowClan cats literally watching a kit suffer WindClan cats attacking ThunderClan just because they can Like what? WhyRIGHT!? Does WindClan want the old ThunderClan back? The ThunderClan who started surprise attacks on them twice for basically no reason?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 13:09:40 GMT -5
TNP cats STILL being the center focus of all the clans. There are SOOO many new cats, yet they're never focused on. Oh? Crowfeather is at the border again? Does no one else patrol the border in WindClan? Where's Leaftail? Oh, there's that Mothwing again! Oh, you mean there are other cats in RiverClan? Could have fooled me! All the stupid relationship drama, also, how in main character relationships, the toms are ALWAYSSS made out to be the jerks. And even in non-main relationships, 9/10, the she-cats are sweet innocent flowers, and the toms are rude ass controlling jerks. Also, I'm a bit tired of EVERY single arc having a forbidden romance/crush. Cinderheart and Sasha's existence. How rude and ungrateful WindClan and ShadowClan are towards ThunderClan, they wouldn't even exist anymore if it wasn't for ThunderClan.
Exactly! In the literal first book, who helps them be free from the tyrant Brokenstar? ThunderClan! And who returns WindClan? ThunderClan! Who shelters the ShadowClan cats when ShadowClan falls apart? ThunderClan! They could have become rogues or disbanded forever. Without ThunderClan, ShadowClan would be a band of rogues. So would WindClan. And their helpfulness is returned with: Rudeness and ungratefulness Pointless Battles Guarded attitudes and spitefulness ShadowClan cats literally watching a kit suffer WindClan cats attacking ThunderClan just because they can Like what? Whyclan pride taken too far?
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Post by Altair on Oct 9, 2020 15:41:53 GMT -5
Dove x Tigerboi II
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 18:31:46 GMT -5
Graystripe's actions in Fire and Ice. Like, he abandons all his warrior duties, abandons his apprentice, and becomes incredibly disloyal due to Silverstream to the point it affects his relationship with his best friend. He's just so selfish. He never deserved to be deputy, either. Also like, no one ever dies in ThunderClan. We have so many ThunderClan cats because no one will kill them off. Which they desperately need to do. Like, all TNP cats need to die. Maybe save a few as elders. But by this time POT cats should be senior warriors. POT cats ARE senior warriors. Lionblaze is a senior warrior
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 18:44:51 GMT -5
Graystripe's actions in Fire and Ice. Like, he abandons all his warrior duties, abandons his apprentice, and becomes incredibly disloyal due to Silverstream to the point it affects his relationship with his best friend. He's just so selfish. He never deserved to be deputy, either. Also like, no one ever dies in ThunderClan. We have so many ThunderClan cats because no one will kill them off. Which they desperately need to do. Like, all TNP cats need to die. Maybe save a few as elders. But by this time POT cats should be senior warriors. POT cats ARE senior warriors. Lionblaze is a senior warrior This reminds me of when STEMLEAF was noted to be a senior warrior, the cat who was born in AVOS. How many senior warriors do they have now? XD It goes all the way from a 2 year old like Stemleaf to a 12? year old like Thornclaw.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 9, 2020 18:56:01 GMT -5
RootxBristle. Please don't make this a thing, Erins.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 18:57:32 GMT -5
RootxBristle. Please don't make this a thing, Erins. Agreed! He doesn't even know her true personality! She just saved him, he became infatuated with her, most of the time until she got feelings for him out of the blue, she was rude to him. I just don't get it.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 9, 2020 19:00:05 GMT -5
RootxBristle. Please don't make this a thing, Erins. Agreed! He doesn't even know her true personality! She just saved him, he became infatuated with him, most of the time until she got feelings for him out of the blue, she was rude to him. I just don't get it. Because plot, that's why. I really hope by the end of this arc, RootBristle doesn't become a thing and they stay close friends. I want to see more inter-Clan friendships, not romances.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 19:24:03 GMT -5
Agreed! He doesn't even know her true personality! She just saved him, he became infatuated with him, most of the time until she got feelings for him out of the blue, she was rude to him. I just don't get it. Because plot, that's why. I really hope by the end of this arc, RootBristle doesn't become a thing and they stay close friends. I want to see more inter-Clan friendships, not romances. Samee, I want to see more friendships over all.
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Oct 9, 2020 19:30:00 GMT -5
I noticed in OotS, the four main characters never really communicated with each other. I thought Jayfeather at one point was going to accidentally walk in on Ivypool training in the DF and be absolutely horrified at what is going on. Nope, never happened. Lionblaze and Jayfeather forgiving both Squirrelflight and Leafpool since Sunrise? Nope! Dovewing learning to move on from Tigerheart and help her clan out? Nope! This factor alone made the entire arc so disappointing.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 10, 2020 2:33:10 GMT -5
RootxBristle. Please don't make this a thing, Erins. GIVE BRISTLE TO SNAPTOOTH AND ROOT TO TURTLECRAWL PLEASE ERINS PLEASE
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 10, 2020 2:41:19 GMT -5
Because plot, that's why. I really hope by the end of this arc, RootBristle doesn't become a thing and they stay close friends. I want to see more inter-Clan friendships, not romances. Samee, I want to see more friendships over all. Right? Like do any of the TBC main characters have friends? If someone asked me who Bristlefrost was friends with, I would totally blank out. Rootspring? How many interactions has she even had with Shadowsight? It confuzzles me. I think something TNP did well on was friendships. POT and DoTC too. I can think of Leafpool and Cody, Leafpool and Sorreltail, Brambleclaw and Sorreltail, Feathertail and Brambleclaw, Feathertail and Crowfeather, Feathertail and Squirrelflight, Squirrelflight and Shrewpaw, Squirrelflight and Leafpool, Squirrelflight and Tawnypelt, Tawnypelt and Brambleclaw, and these are only the connected ones XD
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 2:42:20 GMT -5
Non-Clan cats being treated/seen as subhuman both by the characters and the narrative.
Like what is this line?? Also you're telling me the Tribe cats are so inept they can't come up the most basic of fighting techniques? Three literal kids are more skilled them all of them combined? "Hurdur but Firestar was a kittypet" got old super fast lol. Like he's 90 give it a rest ShadowClan patrol fodder #12. Also there was Tigerheart trying to convert the Guardians to Clan ways and the book showing them as clunky and disorganized until he steps in.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 3:24:38 GMT -5
I noticed in OotS, the four main characters never really communicated with each other. I thought Jayfeather at one point was going to accidentally walk in on Ivypool training in the DF and be absolutely horrified at what is going on. Nope, never happened. Lionblaze and Jayfeather forgiving both Squirrelflight and Leafpool since Sunrise? Nope! Dovewing learning to move on from Tigerheart and help her clan out? Nope! This factor alone made the entire arc so disappointing. Actually, Jayfeather did walk in on Ivypool, and Dovewing did move on from Tigerheart. When you want to hate on something at least make sure your facts are correct
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 10, 2020 4:10:46 GMT -5
Silverstream x Greystripe
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 9:57:22 GMT -5
Samee, I want to see more friendships over all. Right? Like do any of the TBC main characters have friends? If someone asked me who Bristlefrost was friends with, I would totally blank out. Rootspring? How many interactions has she even had with Shadowsight? It confuzzles me. I think something TNP did well on was friendships. POT and DoTC too. I can think of Leafpool and Cody, Leafpool and Sorreltail, Brambleclaw and Sorreltail, Feathertail and Brambleclaw, Feathertail and Crowfeather, Feathertail and Squirrelflight, Squirrelflight and Shrewpaw, Squirrelflight and Leafpool, Squirrelflight and Tawnypelt, Tawnypelt and Brambleclaw, and these are only the connected ones XD Right? The most semblance of a friendship I've seen in TBC, is when Dewnose, Snaptooth, and Flipclaw all played moss ball together. But if Flip and Snap are friends, then Snap is a **** of a friend, and Flipclaw can do better.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 10, 2020 18:34:04 GMT -5
Non-Clan cats being treated/seen as subhuman both by the characters and the narrative. Like what is this line?? Also you're telling me the Tribe cats are so inept they can't come up the most basic of fighting techniques? Three literal kids are more skilled them all of them combined? "Hurdur but Firestar was a kittypet" got old super fast lol. Like he's 90 give it a rest ShadowClan patrol fodder #12. Also there was Tigerheart trying to convert the Guardians to Clan ways and the book showing them as clunky and disorganized until he steps in. The only thing that's stopping me from re-reading TS is just that thing. I can't stand Tigerheart's narrative about the Guardian Cats.
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Post by Thunderheart57 on Oct 10, 2020 20:06:09 GMT -5
I noticed in OotS, the four main characters never really communicated with each other. I thought Jayfeather at one point was going to accidentally walk in on Ivypool training in the DF and be absolutely horrified at what is going on. Nope, never happened. Lionblaze and Jayfeather forgiving both Squirrelflight and Leafpool since Sunrise? Nope! Dovewing learning to move on from Tigerheart and help her clan out? Nope! This factor alone made the entire arc so disappointing. Actually, Jayfeather did walk in on Ivypool, and Dovewing did move on from Tigerheart. When you want to hate on something at least make sure your facts are correct I haven’t re read the arc in a while, I apologize.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 11, 2020 1:57:55 GMT -5
Non-Clan cats being treated/seen as subhuman both by the characters and the narrative. Like what is this line?? Also you're telling me the Tribe cats are so inept they can't come up the most basic of fighting techniques? Three literal kids are more skilled them all of them combined? "Hurdur but Firestar was a kittypet" got old super fast lol. Like he's 90 give it a rest ShadowClan patrol fodder #12. Also there was Tigerheart trying to convert the Guardians to Clan ways and the book showing them as clunky and disorganized until he steps in. The only thing that's stopping me from re-reading TS is just that thing. I can't stand Tigerheart's narrative about the Guardian Cats. I can't stand Tigerheart in general! I haven't read Tigerheart's Shadow. But from what I've heard, he changes a perfectly fine society to be more warrior-like and leaves. Like what? I'll add him to my list of frustrating things. His character, imo, is all over the place. And though he's not a bad cat, I can't bring myself to like him like I did with Dovewing. And yeah, it's really annoying how, what's the word, superior the Clans act when they come across other Non-Clan cats. They treat kittypets like dirt just because they live with Twolegs and desire a simpler lifestyle. They treat loners with suspicion, and rogues are no better. And don't get me started on the Tribe. Goodness grape juice. Like, in Tawnypelt's Clan, she, Dovewing, and Shadowkit travel all the way to the Tribe to save them from a tree. A tree. I don't like how it's written that the Tribe needs constant assistance for everything. The Sharptooth thing was okay, but a tree. A tree.
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