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Post by Spinestar on Sept 1, 2020 16:19:48 GMT -5
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Post by halogen on Sept 1, 2020 18:52:58 GMT -5
Am annoyed that all of TC knows he's evil, was expecting more of a surprise about his evilness Well, in TFW, Bramblestar told everyone about him trying to kill Hollyleaf (which was a lie, but really did do far worse than that). Bringing back that plot point also reminds everyone of how flimsy it was, though; everyone just trusts Bramblestar's word instantly that a classmate and, for a lot of them, lifelong friend or even siblings of theirs is a horrible attempted murderer, despite Bramblestar having a clear ulterior motive (covering for Hollyleaf, who is his daughter, anti-adoption messages or not), and with no apparent shock or sadness at finding out what he did. Compare how everyone reacted to Tigerclaw's betrayal. Sure, Ashfur wasn't deputy, but he's shown several times to be well-respected in the Clan and have several cats who care about him enough to be deeply hurt. But nope, everyone in TFW, and thus by extension this book, are just like "Oh well Ashfur was evil, we completely trust you on this".
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 1, 2020 19:37:05 GMT -5
Am annoyed that all of TC knows he's evil, was expecting more of a surprise about his evilness Well, in TFW, Bramblestar told everyone about him trying to kill Hollyleaf (which was a lie, but really did do far worse than that). Bringing back that plot point also reminds everyone of how flimsy it was, though; everyone just trusts Bramblestar's word instantly that a classmate and, for a lot of them, lifelong friend or even siblings of theirs is a horrible attempted murderer, despite Bramblestar having a clear ulterior motive (covering for Hollyleaf, who is his daughter, anti-adoption messages or not), and with no apparent shock or sadness at finding out what he did. Compare how everyone reacted to Tigerclaw's betrayal. Sure, Ashfur wasn't deputy, but he's shown several times to be well-respected in the Clan and have several cats who care about him enough to be deeply hurt. But nope, everyone in TFW, and thus by extension this book, are just like "Oh well Ashfur was evil, we completely trust you on this". I kind of wonder if they'd noticed a change in his personality? I mean, prior to the lie, he helped Hawkfrost take one of Firestar's lives and tried to kill the three. Tigerheart notes that Ashfur had a dark aura around him when he stayed during the Sol thing because Tawnypelt was done with Thunderclan's BS I wonder if he'd just become different and weird and his clanmates noticed, so finding out what he did wasn't a surprise?
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 1, 2020 19:46:01 GMT -5
Too bad he's the impostor. If he wasn't, all those "your opinion/theory is obviously so dumb and wrong and you are trolling" people insisting that Ashfur was the impostor could be so triggered.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Sept 1, 2020 22:25:04 GMT -5
I mean, TECHNICALLY we haven't found out for sure that it's Ashfur. Squirrelflight is just speculating. But these books aren't smart enough to pull a 180 like that, so yeah, it's him.
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Post by highprince on Sept 1, 2020 22:43:14 GMT -5
I honestly wish that they'd go to prove it was Ashfur and find out that it wasn't. Now that would actually impress me. But like Skypaw said, they almost definitely won't go that route.
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Post by vectoring34 on Sept 2, 2020 9:46:30 GMT -5
Well, in TFW, Bramblestar told everyone about him trying to kill Hollyleaf (which was a lie, but really did do far worse than that). Bringing back that plot point also reminds everyone of how flimsy it was, though; everyone just trusts Bramblestar's word instantly that a classmate and, for a lot of them, lifelong friend or even siblings of theirs is a horrible attempted murderer, despite Bramblestar having a clear ulterior motive (covering for Hollyleaf, who is his daughter, anti-adoption messages or not), and with no apparent shock or sadness at finding out what he did. Compare how everyone reacted to Tigerclaw's betrayal. Sure, Ashfur wasn't deputy, but he's shown several times to be well-respected in the Clan and have several cats who care about him enough to be deeply hurt. But nope, everyone in TFW, and thus by extension this book, are just like "Oh well Ashfur was evil, we completely trust you on this". I kind of wonder if they'd noticed a change in his personality? I mean, prior to the lie, he helped Hawkfrost take one of Firestar's lives and tried to kill the three. Tigerheart notes that Ashfur had a dark aura around him when he stayed during the Sol thing because Tawnypelt was done with Thunderclan's BS I wonder if he'd just become different and weird and his clanmates noticed, so finding out what he did wasn't a surprise? Ashfur by this point was unstable enough to be losing his mind multiple times in spars with Lionpaw. They also saw him ranting like a madman towards the end of TNP during the break-up with Squirrelflight. There were plenty of public incidents that would give the clan reason to think he's a little bit of a creep.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Sept 2, 2020 11:42:31 GMT -5
I kind of wonder if they'd noticed a change in his personality? I mean, prior to the lie, he helped Hawkfrost take one of Firestar's lives and tried to kill the three. Tigerheart notes that Ashfur had a dark aura around him when he stayed during the Sol thing because Tawnypelt was done with Thunderclan's BS I wonder if he'd just become different and weird and his clanmates noticed, so finding out what he did wasn't a surprise? Ashfur by this point was unstable enough to be losing his mind multiple times in spars with Lionpaw. They also saw him ranting like a madman towards the end of TNP during the break-up with Squirrelflight. There were plenty of public incidents that would give the clan reason to think he's a little bit of a creep. Exactly. I can see why they'd trust Bramblestar's word.
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Post by Jaysnow on Sept 2, 2020 12:49:15 GMT -5
Like it was ever a mystery in the first place. :omegalul:
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Post by Showers on Oct 15, 2020 14:23:51 GMT -5
are we.. still doing this..
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Post by Brindlefern on Oct 15, 2020 14:27:47 GMT -5
And in Squirrelflight's Hope, it appears that Ashfur is at peace in Starclan.If the Erin Hunters were going to make it Ashfur, wouldn't they have said something then? Wouldn't they have had Ashfur, like, sneak away or something? Ashfur being at peace was not really true though as Jayfeather noted the fierce way Ashfur was looking at him in Starclan, as if he was still angry about the situation. I don't believe that cats that die and go to Starclan just forget the bad things that happened or whatever the frick it was that was said, because tbh that's dumb, there's no cautionary tales to be made from that idea. Hollyleaf saying he's at peace there doesn't suddenly mean he's 100% fine either. You can say something and have it not be true later, it's happened before a lot of cases in this series. If he was at peace, he'd go to Squirrelflight himself, apologize genuinely for what he did and for indirectly ruining her life, and make peace with her personally, as it was her that he hurt the most. Him avoiding her and keeping distant from her and her kits is not making peace, it instead shows there's still baggage he's holding onto, Squirrelflight even notes to be severely uncomfortable with him being there after everything, and TBC is that baggage reaching a tipping point. By the way, the whole expert says it's Ashfur, the impostor ADMITS he is Ashfur, all the signs pointed to him, the moment of blue eyes and obsession with Squirrelflight to the point of falling for her ploy to lure him in because he is still obsessed with her to this day of the series. Ashfur can join Spottedleaf in the "Never letting go of your obsession after that very obsession has moved on from you" corner.
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Post by icefurs on Oct 15, 2020 14:28:30 GMT -5
Ok, I have to put my statement here. I personally believe it is definitely not Ashfur. it just seems to be too obvious. Besides the fact that Ashfur and the imposter both have a thing for Squirrelflight, they act pretty much nothing alike. And in Squirrelflight's Hope, it appears that Ashfur is at peace in Starclan.If the Erin Hunters were going to make it Ashfur, wouldn't they have said something then? Wouldn't they have had Ashfur, like, sneak away or something? Anyway, that's my opinion on the Ashfur theory. Say what you like, but it's not changing. From the literal DW excerpt: “It is me. It’s Ashfur.” This stranger spoke with a voice harsher than Bramblestar’s. It had an edge that seemed to carry a sneer. And yet he spoke softly, uncertainty gone as hope seemed to triumph. “I knew you’d realize eventually. I knew you’d see the truth.”
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On vacation till the 27th. Will work on replies when I get back.
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Post by Robinbreeze on Oct 15, 2020 14:34:05 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait... where did you find that, icefurs? Also, Brindlefern, I see what your saying but I still feel the whole thing is way too obvious...
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Post by Brindlefern on Oct 15, 2020 14:39:33 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait... where did you find that, icefurs ? Also, Brindlefern , I see what your saying but I still feel the whole thing is way too obvious... For the first question, the Warriors website has an extended exerpt. And secondly, I rather obvious than for them to suddenly pull a "GOTCHA WE HAD YOU FOOLED HAHA SUCKERS" moment which would honestly feel like a slap in the face to the audience after giving us all those breadcrumbs leading up to Ashfur being the impostor only to have it not be him, that'd be pretty insulting imo. That's not how mysteries nor breadcrumb trails in writing work. if not him who else? Hawkfrost is double-dead and Darktail has no qualms with Thunderclan much less Squirrelflight. Ashfur's qualm was ALWAYS Squirrelflight and he is known to be opportunistic and also has done the waiting game in the past ala the Fire scene, wanting to hurt Squirrelflight's kin so that she suffers, something Ashfur has, like stated just before, has done before and will KEEP doing until he succeeds and it shows in his attempt on Spark's life many years later. Something being obvious is better than something not making sense.
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Post by icefurs on Oct 15, 2020 14:43:44 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait... where did you find that, icefurs ? Also, Brindlefern , I see what your saying but I still feel the whole thing is way too obvious... Here: warriorcats.com/content/article/exclusive-darkness-within-excerptOther clues it was him: the weird obsession, him saying "I came back for you" to her, the attempt on Sparkpelt's life, him refusing to allow Squirrelflight to say the codebreaker's oath claiming she was already forgiven by StarClan, followed by keeping her near him at all times, dark blue eyes, and ashes falling on Shadowsight's pelt during a vision (if i remember that part correctly). I also like how someone here noted that the Impostor and Ashfur have a similar voice and tone in the PO3 and TBC audiobooks, which could also be a clue.
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Post by tickfang on Oct 15, 2020 14:43:52 GMT -5
we kindaaa knew. i had one other theory and that was only because i forgot that hawkfrost double died. but like. the blue eyed thing was kinda obvious i think. also the obsession with squirrelflight.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 15, 2020 14:44:47 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait... where did you find that, icefurs ? Also, Brindlefern , I see what your saying but I still feel the whole thing is way too obvious... It's from the excerpt on the official Warrior Cats website. He straight up admits it's him lol.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Oct 15, 2020 14:55:03 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait... where did you find that, icefurs ? Also, Brindlefern , I see what your saying but I still feel the whole thing is way too obvious... For the first question, the Warriors website has an extended exerpt. And secondly, I rather obvious than for them to suddenly pull a "GOTCHA WE HAD YOU FOOLED HAHA SUCKERS" moment which would honestly feel like a slap in the face to the audience after giving us all those breadcrumbs leading up to Ashfur being the impostor only to have it not be him, that'd be pretty insulting imo. That's not how mysteries nor breadcrumb trails in writing work. if not him who else? Hawkfrost is double-dead and Darktail has no qualms with Thunderclan much less Squirrelflight. Ashfur's qualm was ALWAYS Squirrelflight and he is known to be opportunistic and also has done the waiting game in the past ala the Fire scene, wanting to hurt Squirrelflight's kin so that she suffers, something Ashfur has, like stated just before, has done before and will KEEP doing until he succeeds and it shows in his attempt on Spark's life many years later. Something being obvious is better than something not making sense. Adding onto this... it's Warriors. When it comes to twists, either things are too obvious or they come completely out of left field. There's barely any middle ground (in fact, the only decent mystery that comes to mind is who killed Ashfur, and even then, that can be solved with basic process of elimination). And just because something is obvious doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing, so long as the rest of the story is interesting. Also, dramatic irony.
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Post by Cloverƒall on Oct 15, 2020 14:55:20 GMT -5
After that excerpt, I can't wait for Moonkitti to make a video out of it, lol.
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Post by whiteflight on Oct 15, 2020 19:02:26 GMT -5
Ok... now I feel stupid... it's alright you didn't see or know about the quote of ashfur revealing himself. Even if the quote is shown some people are still questioning if it really is him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 9:23:35 GMT -5
Yeah, also I'm going to bet that you've heard that some people think that Spiresight is in on this with Ashfur and that he is the one who made Ashfur move into Bramblestar's body? I think THAT is nonsense... It’s highly possible. Spiresight is on the norwegian cover of Darkness Within
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Robinbreeze
On vacation till the 27th. Will work on replies when I get back.
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Post by Robinbreeze on Oct 16, 2020 9:27:51 GMT -5
Yeah, also I'm going to bet that you've heard that some people think that Spiresight is in on this with Ashfur and that he is the one who made Ashfur move into Bramblestar's body? I think THAT is nonsense... It’s highly possible. Spiresight is on the norwegian cover of Darkness Within Yes, but I feel that because we know so little about Spiresight, (and from what we know, he seems like he's on the good side) I feel like it's a total twist in his character.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 9:38:15 GMT -5
It’s highly possible. Spiresight is on the norwegian cover of Darkness Within Yes, but I feel that because we know so little about Spiresight, (and from what we know, he seems like he's on the good side) I feel like it's a total twist in his character. Darkness Within shall make everything clear!
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Oct 16, 2020 9:39:18 GMT -5
Every time I see the spoiler TBC I think that somebody got the book early or the book quotes come out 😅
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 9:45:22 GMT -5
Every time I see the spoiler TBC I think that somebody got the book early or the book quotes come out 😅 SKSKSK I CANT WAIT!!! Can’t someone get the book and leak it already,,,
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