Post by halogen on Aug 4, 2020 20:18:52 GMT -5
I have often heard fans talk about "first deputy syndrome", to describe how the first deputy almost never lives to succeed the leader. But it's also true that the leaders have nine lives, while deputies only have one - so the true test for whether the first deputies tend to die inordinately soon is whether they usually die before the leader loses their first life or not. So out of the deputies:
Whitestorm died before Firestar lost his first life
Stonefur almost definitely died before Leopardstar lost her first life, based on how short of a time she had been leader at that point
Cinderfur died before Nightstar lost his first and only life
Foxheart died before Raggedstar lost any of his lives
By the time of Tawnyspots' retirement and later death, Sunstar had already died I believe 5 times
Sun Shadow outlived seven of Shadowstar's lives (and died at the same time as her losing her eighth)
Windstar died all nine times before Gorsefur/star (I think he's the only known "first deputy" to become leader without any weird multiple lives loss shenanigans)
Based on the timing of Tallstar's death vs. Deadfoot's, it's likely that Deadfoot survived some of Tallstar's lives, unless it was an even more extreme Leopardstar-like case where Tallstar lost many lives at once at the end from illness, old age, the stress of the Great Journey, starvation, etc.
Sharpclaw outlived at least one of Leafstar's known lives and lived a long time after that, so possibly more
Bluestar died six times before Redtail died
Blackstar outlived both Brokenstar and Tigerstar nine times, though in the latter case, of course, he lost all nine lives at once.
Squirrelflight is still alive and has currently outlived Bramblestar once
Crowfeather is still alive and has already outlived Harestar once
Lightning Tail died at the same time as Thunderstar for the first time
Juniperclaw technically outlived Tigerstar II once, though only because he lost a life before becoming leader and before Juniperclaw was deputy, and likely didn't outlive any of the other lives. If you count Tawnypelt here, the same applies for her except she's still alive and has the potential to outlive more of Tiigerstar's lives, if he hasn't lost another one already
Not sure on Ashfoot, we know that Onestar lost at least three of his lives after Ashfoot's death, and he was relatively younger while she was alive and a lot older later, but she was Onestar's deputy for 2.5 arcs and almost 2/3 of Onestar's leadership, so unless he was losing lives very unevenly she likely outlived him
I have no idea if Timberfur outlived Crookedstar
Who knows about Reedwhisker and Mistystar, all i know is that Reedwhisker has been alive and deputy for 5,5 in-universe years according to the wiki timeline
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So overall I'd say that, when taking the nine lives into consideration, first deputies tend to live disproportionately long on average compared to their leaders, rather than diisproportionately short!
Whitestorm died before Firestar lost his first life
Stonefur almost definitely died before Leopardstar lost her first life, based on how short of a time she had been leader at that point
Cinderfur died before Nightstar lost his first and only life
Foxheart died before Raggedstar lost any of his lives
By the time of Tawnyspots' retirement and later death, Sunstar had already died I believe 5 times
Sun Shadow outlived seven of Shadowstar's lives (and died at the same time as her losing her eighth)
Windstar died all nine times before Gorsefur/star (I think he's the only known "first deputy" to become leader without any weird multiple lives loss shenanigans)
Based on the timing of Tallstar's death vs. Deadfoot's, it's likely that Deadfoot survived some of Tallstar's lives, unless it was an even more extreme Leopardstar-like case where Tallstar lost many lives at once at the end from illness, old age, the stress of the Great Journey, starvation, etc.
Sharpclaw outlived at least one of Leafstar's known lives and lived a long time after that, so possibly more
Bluestar died six times before Redtail died
Blackstar outlived both Brokenstar and Tigerstar nine times, though in the latter case, of course, he lost all nine lives at once.
Squirrelflight is still alive and has currently outlived Bramblestar once
Crowfeather is still alive and has already outlived Harestar once
Lightning Tail died at the same time as Thunderstar for the first time
Juniperclaw technically outlived Tigerstar II once, though only because he lost a life before becoming leader and before Juniperclaw was deputy, and likely didn't outlive any of the other lives. If you count Tawnypelt here, the same applies for her except she's still alive and has the potential to outlive more of Tiigerstar's lives, if he hasn't lost another one already
Not sure on Ashfoot, we know that Onestar lost at least three of his lives after Ashfoot's death, and he was relatively younger while she was alive and a lot older later, but she was Onestar's deputy for 2.5 arcs and almost 2/3 of Onestar's leadership, so unless he was losing lives very unevenly she likely outlived him
I have no idea if Timberfur outlived Crookedstar
Who knows about Reedwhisker and Mistystar, all i know is that Reedwhisker has been alive and deputy for 5,5 in-universe years according to the wiki timeline
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So overall I'd say that, when taking the nine lives into consideration, first deputies tend to live disproportionately long on average compared to their leaders, rather than diisproportionately short!