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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 3, 2020 9:46:58 GMT -5
all this time ive had somewhat good memories of reading PO3 because the twist concerning the three's true parentage totally threw me. i thought it was a great twist and have remembered PO3 well ever since as a direct result.
then i remembered that my library only had moonrise, while they had most of PO3, so i read PO3 before most of TNP. i had no background knowledge of leaf x crow. lol. no wonder i didnt see it coming.
so was it an actually good twist or did you figure it out long before the reveal? my perspective was skewed and im genuinely curious how it went over with fans who actually read the series in order.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 3, 2020 9:50:59 GMT -5
No because I was spoiled long before I read the books due to Deviantart fanart. Sunrise was still the thing back then when I first heard of Warriors.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 9:56:34 GMT -5
No. I'd been looking at the Warriors Wiki long before I even started reading the series.
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Post by sageheart on Jul 3, 2020 10:12:26 GMT -5
I had looked at spoilers so no, lol
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Post by halogen on Jul 3, 2020 11:15:20 GMT -5
No, because I was following warriors fan sites at the time and there was a a popular theory about it from when The Sight was released, and once you knew the theory and started looking for it it was obvious (especially with the After Sunset We Need to Talk play where the Erins explicitly went on about it being a hint to an important plot twist, and it was such a short play that nothing happened that could point to any other plot point/twist except that one. Not sure if I would be able to figure it out just reading the books on my own, though.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 3, 2020 11:22:10 GMT -5
No, because I was following warriors fan sites at the time and there was a a popular theory about it from when The Sight was released, and once you knew the theory and started looking for it it was obvious (especially with the After Sunset We Need to Talk play where the Erins explicitly went on about it being a hint to an important plot twist, and it was such a short play that nothing happened that could point to any other plot point/twist except that one. Not sure if I would be able to figure it out just reading the books on my own, though. When I went back and read Sunset, Brambleclaw comments at the very end that Leafpool was looking especially plump lately and that made it seem super obvious she was preggers. but since i had no knowledge of leafxcrow when i read po3, most of the hints didnt make sense to me (like Jay finding parsley in the med cat den or when he felt her weird love for him).
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Jul 3, 2020 11:25:40 GMT -5
No, because I read Leafpool’s Wish first.
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Post by Sundance on Jul 3, 2020 12:07:52 GMT -5
Yessss, big time. 10 year old me was SHOCKED.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 12:12:53 GMT -5
Haha, spoilers ruined it for me, too. But it still is such a good plot twist that even when you know it's coming, it still seems incredibly shocking when you actually read the fire scene.
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Post by chimken nugget on Jul 3, 2020 12:14:13 GMT -5
no because I read the first book of oots first and that ruined the surprise (I was SO confused because it basically startedwhere power of three left off and I didn’t know who anyone was lol)
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Post by Jaysnow on Jul 3, 2020 13:25:51 GMT -5
Absolutely. 10 year old me was SHOOK. They hid it so well, it only becomes obvious once you do a reread and see all the subtle hints scattered throughout the arc. Imo, this was probably the best twist in the series so far.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 3, 2020 13:38:29 GMT -5
when i first read Po3 years ago, i wasn't surprised. no one spoiled it for me, but i just knew they couldn't be bramblexsquirrel's kits because holly and jay were black and gray respectively. even back then i was peeved about the bad warriors genetics lmao
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 3, 2020 14:04:58 GMT -5
when i first read Po3 years ago, i wasn't surprised. no one spoiled it for me, but i just knew they couldn't be bramblexsquirrel's kits because holly and jay were black and gray respectively. even back then i was peeved about the bad warriors genetics lmao i did wonder where hollyleaf got her black from. i had assumed bad cat genetics and the erins just wanted three distinct looking littermates.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 3, 2020 15:25:20 GMT -5
when i first read Po3 years ago, i wasn't surprised. no one spoiled it for me, but i just knew they couldn't be bramblexsquirrel's kits because holly and jay were black and gray respectively. even back then i was peeved about the bad warriors genetics lmao i did wonder where hollyleaf got her black from. i had assumed bad cat genetics and the erins just wanted three distinct looking littermates. the biggest stretch would be if hollyleaf got black fur from tigerclaw/star's mom..that's like multiple generations back lmao
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 16:13:14 GMT -5
I wasn't able to see the Three's parents being LeafXCrow, or at least I wasn't able to see all of them being someone else's kits. Even though parents looking like their kits is pretty much debunked in the Warriors series- anything goes- I was huge into genetics at the time I first read the series and so Jayfeather being gray with blue eyes set off a red flag for me right away. Hollyleaf being black was somewhat suspicious but at the time I imagined Bramblestar being brown with black stripes- and she had Squirrelflight's green eyes- so I just assumed the Erins thought she got it from, but Lionblaze being golden fooled me into thinking at least he was Bramblestar and Squirrelflight's kit. But Jayfeather and Hollyleaf were still up in the air for me, I thought that maybe it would come out that the rest of Squirrelflight's litter died and someone gave her Jay and Holly to make her feel better or something like that.
So no, I didn't really see all of them not being their kits coming- nor who their parents were, I had kinda put LeafXCrow on the shelf. Plus none of the three looking not that much like Leaf or Crow either (except maybe Hollyleaf) so I didn't really connect them either. But I was pretty oblivious to a lot of hints- like Squirrelflight not producing any milk.
Idk if I imagined it but I feel like it was a theory a LONG time ago that they could have been Ashfur's kits. But even then that was pretty far-fetched.
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Post by mimikyutie on Jul 3, 2020 17:42:12 GMT -5
I had it spoiled for me beforehand, I don't remember from where though.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 3, 2020 17:57:38 GMT -5
Yes and no.
I read all the way up to Eclipse without suspecting anything. Then my family went to dinner with my sister's friend who read Warriors, and we got to talking. I told her my favorite character was Jaypaw and I made some reference to Squirrelflight being his mom and she (who had already read Long Shadows) totally spoiled everything for me, including that they were Leaf and Crow's kits (which, looking back on it, she couldn't have known for certain, considering Sunrise hadn't been released yet, but she was either engaged in online discussion or had one hell of a brain, because she also said Jaypaw's full MC name would be Jayfeather because Leafpool named him after Crowfeather).
I remember that dinner way more than I remember reading Long Shadows for the first time, I'll tell you that. XD
So yeah, the twist did surprise me hard when I found out about it. I just didn't find out about it from the books.
And for context, I read all the books in publication order, so yes, I read TNP first and then Po3 with no relevant side books.
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Post by rainwhisker on Jul 3, 2020 20:37:26 GMT -5
i accidentally spoiled myself on the warriors wiki but i remember being really surprised when i saw it so technically yes
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Jul 3, 2020 20:52:10 GMT -5
I wasn't shocked per say, but I definitely didn't expect it until the hints became more and more obvious
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Post by halogen on Jul 4, 2020 0:07:09 GMT -5
Yes and no. I read all the way up to Eclipse without suspecting anything. Then my family went to dinner with my sister's friend who read Warriors, and we got to talking. I told her my favorite character was Jaypaw and I made some reference to Squirrelflight being his mom and she (who had already read Long Shadows) totally spoiled everything for me, including that they were Leaf and Crow's kits (which, looking back on it, she couldn't have known for certain, considering Sunrise hadn't been released yet, but she was either engaged in online discussion or had one hell of a brain, because she also said Jaypaw's full MC name would be Jayfeather because Leafpool named him after Crowfeather). I remember that dinner way more than I remember reading Long Shadows for the first time, I'll tell you that. XD So yeah, the twist did surprise me hard when I found out about it. I just didn't find out about it from the books. And for context, I read all the books in publication order, so yes, I read TNP first and then Po3 with no relevant side books. Your friend didn't have to be that smart, though, since the prophecy said Kin of Your Kin which left only Leafpool and Cloudtail, and Cloudtail had no reason to give up his kits to Squirrelflight while Leafpool had a very obvious reason.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jul 4, 2020 0:12:34 GMT -5
Yes and no. I read all the way up to Eclipse without suspecting anything. Then my family went to dinner with my sister's friend who read Warriors, and we got to talking. I told her my favorite character was Jaypaw and I made some reference to Squirrelflight being his mom and she (who had already read Long Shadows) totally spoiled everything for me, including that they were Leaf and Crow's kits (which, looking back on it, she couldn't have known for certain, considering Sunrise hadn't been released yet, but she was either engaged in online discussion or had one hell of a brain, because she also said Jaypaw's full MC name would be Jayfeather because Leafpool named him after Crowfeather). I remember that dinner way more than I remember reading Long Shadows for the first time, I'll tell you that. XD So yeah, the twist did surprise me hard when I found out about it. I just didn't find out about it from the books. And for context, I read all the books in publication order, so yes, I read TNP first and then Po3 with no relevant side books. Your friend didn't have to be that smart, though, since the prophecy said Kin of Your Kin which left only Leafpool and Cloudtail, and Cloudtail had no reason to give up his kits to Squirrelflight while Leafpool had a very obvious reason. Regardless, she was smarter than me. XD She was almost in high school at the time, and I was in second or third grade, so she appeared really smart at the time.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 4, 2020 11:32:56 GMT -5
Yes, it was just the most unexpected thing. My mind was absolutely blown
Edit: While re-reading PoT, there was so much TNP drama and foreshadowing stuck in between, I might have noticed it if I had read TNP first.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Jul 4, 2020 13:40:33 GMT -5
It did. Was the last thing I expected.
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Post by Oceanmist97 on Jul 4, 2020 15:19:13 GMT -5
It surprised the heck out of me, to say the least. The first Warriors book I ever picked up (at age 10) was The Sight. I got about half way through it before I gave up and decided to read the series from the start, so that I could understand the entire series better.
So when I read Long Shadows, I was so blown away. I couldn't believe how well they kept the secret. It's something to be admired, even now. Sunrise blew me away even more so (at age 12). I read it a couple of days after it was released. I was able to put the pieces together that the Three were Leafpool's and Crowfeather's, but I never suspected that Hollyleaf was the murderer. And the fallout of the gathering, as well as Honeyfern's death... Sunrise was genuinely traumatizing for me.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jul 4, 2020 21:23:29 GMT -5
Probably not. I must have found out on the old forums, or because I read OOTS before POT.
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Post by Fireleap on Jul 5, 2020 13:12:23 GMT -5
No, I was spoiled by the Leaf/Crow Wolf MAP.
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Post by Willowmoon on Jul 5, 2020 16:41:12 GMT -5
The sight was the first book I read, (I was like 7 or 8) my sister shoved it in my face and I reluctantly read it. I loved it and started reading from the start of all the series. It took me a month or so to munch through all the books. The first book I had to wait for was shattered sky, so basically all the spoilers were out for everything. I’m not sure if I had heard of spoilers, but I think my little 8 year old brain had a hunch that something wasn’t right. Bramblestar and Squirrelflight just didn’t seem like believable parents fsr.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 5, 2020 16:46:04 GMT -5
For whatever reason, I decided to read HS first, so no. But even if I had read the books in chronological order, I don't think I would've been that surprised.
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