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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 23:30:19 GMT -5
Exactly what the title says. Characters that you enjoy even though most of the fans seem to despise them, and why.
For me, I'd say it's Needletail. I really like the idea behind her- somebody who feels rejected by her clan, but instead of forging a healthy relationship when she has the chance, she allows that bitterness to consume her and becomes a horrible person (cat?) as a result. Her abuse of Violetpaw (and yes, her manipulating Violetpaw's emotional trauma to get her to stick around WAS abuse), including putting her in danger constantly, was horrible, but I enjoyed a character who did those awful things, until the end of her life, where she felt an internal conflict as she realized just what she had done to Violetpaw.
I was really, really hoping Violetpaw could have an arc as she comes to grips with the realization that Needletail used and abused her vs. the love she felt for Needletail as a sister. I don't see media cover those complex feelings over abusers very often, and as a victim myself, it's something I've wanted to see tackled more often. Apparently Violetpaw just acts like she was great afterwards (I've just finished Shattered Sky, but I've had a lot spoiled for me) which really, really suck. If we're talking about The Aprentice's Quest-Shattered Sky Needletail, I enjoy the concept of her quite a bit. But excusing the behavior of a character who was a horrible person is a fast way to ruin them for me (this is the reason I don't like Ashfur).
Anyways, what's y'all's "character I like that everybody hates"
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Post by kinkajou on May 16, 2020 23:58:51 GMT -5
Twigbranch, I love her personality and character arc
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Post by pineapplesmoke on May 16, 2020 23:59:59 GMT -5
I like breezepelt (for a personal reason kind of or whatever) he is a bad cat i know he did and said some terrible things. i think it had something to do with crowfeathers relation to leafpool, and the three and breezepelt grew up without crowfeather really caring for him like a father. and im glad breezeplet is not evil anymore in the broken code.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 0:01:40 GMT -5
I like breezepelt (for a personal reason kind of or whatever) he is a bad cat i know he did and said some terrible things. i think it had something to do with crowfeathers relation to leafpool, and the three and breezepelt grew up without crowfeather really caring for him like a father. and im glad breezeplet is not evil anymore in the broken code. yeah i get it. im of the belief that just because a character did horrible things in canon, it doesnt mean you cant like them (hence me liking needletail). i can see the appeal of breezepelt, particularly in concept, and his character probably resonates with some people who felt neglected by their father, regardless of whether you believe crowfeather really was that bad. im pretty neutral on him myself. he can be annoying, but i dont hate him.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 17, 2020 0:10:07 GMT -5
Needletail and Leafpool for me.
i can at least understand why needletail isn't liked (i acknowledge her bad actions but still like her character anyways because she's interesting), but my leafpool bias makes me pretty angry when people unreasonably hate on leafpool with every fiber of their being.
leafpool didnt want to be selfish and spent most of her life afterward making up for it. she's not an active character and i acknowledge that too. she did things in a more passive way. it's a character flaw. there was no doubt she was loyal in the end and deserved the love of her family again.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 0:14:35 GMT -5
Needletail and Leafpool for me. i can at least understand why needletail isn't liked (i acknowledge her bad actions but still like her character anyways because she's interesting), but my leafpool bias makes me pretty angry when people unreasonably hate on leafpool with every fiber of their being. leafpool didnt want to be selfish and spent most of her life afterward making up for it. she's not an active character and i acknowledge that too. she did things in a more passive way. it's a character flaw. there was no doubt she was loyal in the end and deserved the love of her family again. i... actually rather like leafpool. even if she made stupid choices, if looked at through the lens of somebody whos spent their life taking the passive route being forced into making an active decision, her panicked choices makes more sense. since getting back into the series, ive gone from neutral to enjoying her more as a complex character. i actually like having one passive character as long as the rest of the characters are active.
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Post by Hollyfall on May 17, 2020 0:17:31 GMT -5
Lionblaze. I get he's not the best protagonist out there, or the best character, but I never found his point of view to be bad. I liked seeing his perspective and he's one of my favorite characters in the series as a whole.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 17, 2020 0:20:13 GMT -5
Needletail and Leafpool for me. i can at least understand why needletail isn't liked (i acknowledge her bad actions but still like her character anyways because she's interesting), but my leafpool bias makes me pretty angry when people unreasonably hate on leafpool with every fiber of their being. leafpool didnt want to be selfish and spent most of her life afterward making up for it. she's not an active character and i acknowledge that too. she did things in a more passive way. it's a character flaw. there was no doubt she was loyal in the end and deserved the love of her family again. i... actually rather like leafpool. even if she made stupid choices, if looked at through the lens of somebody whos spent their life taking the passive route being forced into making an active decision, her panicked choices makes more sense. since getting back into the series, ive gone from neutral to enjoying her more as a complex character. i actually like having one passive character as long as the rest of the characters are active. everyone seems to worship squirrelflight and dunk on leafpool (heck, even the writers worship squirrelflight all these years later, making her the center of attention in an arc where she has overstayed her welcome in). so of course i love leafpool. to me, she'll always be the underdog, the underrated sister. i accept and love all her flaws and her being passive in both character and personality is what makes her endearing to me. i relate to her that way sometimes.
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Post by fireflylanes on May 17, 2020 0:25:18 GMT -5
needletail, blossomfall, breezepelt, and also dawnpelt ...idk its the complicated relationships w my own family <3
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 0:28:09 GMT -5
Crowfeather, Millie and Daisy (though Daisy doesn't really get much hate anymore I don't think)
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Post by mymerlincat on May 17, 2020 0:37:26 GMT -5
Bramblestar
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Post by Brindlefern on May 17, 2020 1:30:30 GMT -5
Millie, Crowfeather, Breezepelt, Thistleclaw, Bumblestripe, Dovewing, Twigbranch maybe (Seeing as many prefer her sister)
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Post by crowspirit on May 17, 2020 3:46:33 GMT -5
I really like both Crowfeather and Breezepelt, even though they get A LOT of hate. I also like Thistleclaw and Needletail, Millie and Blossomfall and Dovewing and Ivypool.
Most of the time people tend to like one and hate one character of the sets (Breezepelt & Crowfeather, Millie & Blossomfall, Dovewing & Ivypool) but I like them all.
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Lesbian
Owl
always writing, never finishing
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Post by Owl on May 17, 2020 8:52:34 GMT -5
needletail, dovewing, blossomfall, leafpool all come to mind...as a character, i've really been warming up to crowfeather lately even though he's had his Moments.
generally sibling pairs (twig/violet, ivy/dove, squirrel/leaf, gray/sky) get pitted against each other pretty hard by the fandom, but i really love all of them for their differences and dynamics, save for clear sky. though in ivy/dove's case, the books practically want you to pit them against each other.
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Post by epicstyle on May 17, 2020 9:18:19 GMT -5
Needletail was one of my favorite characters in AVOS and I wish they hadn't killed her off so early. I think it would have been very interesting to have her atoning for her mistakes in the second half of the arc. Her character still had room to grow IMO.
IDK if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I really like Clear Sky, he's probable one of the most complex characters in the series and his development in DOTC was great. (Not counting MFV here though lol.)
I'm not sure why TBH, but Lionblaze was always my favorite of the three. I think I just really like the idea of a character so strong he doesn't know his own strength. I think most people's problem with him is that his character was wasted potential, which I have to agree with. They definitely could've gone deeper into how destructive Lionblaze can be which would've fleshed out his character more.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 10:39:49 GMT -5
Crowfeather, Leafpool, Daisy, Bluestar, Mistystar (before TBC)
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Post by rainwhisker on May 17, 2020 10:46:35 GMT -5
i never knew needletail was so disliked until i went onto this forum lol needletail is my favorite character in the entire series
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 11:25:11 GMT -5
Leafpool. People hold onto her mistake that she made years ago and I think it's very disturbing that people still want her punished. For what? Learning from a mistake she made years ago? Most of her kits have moved on, and she stayed with her Clan and even helped the other medicine cats. I love Leafpool because she knew she messed up. Unlike Dovewing and Mapleshade, cats that were utterly selfish and didn't care about what they did at all, trashed their family members and didn't care one bit that they hurt other cats. They were both so selfish and only cared about themselves, and their own happiness. But I like Leafpool because she knows she messed up and she did everything she can go show that she was sorry. She stepped down from her status, and punished herself. She took the blame and accepted that her kits hated her. She is a perfect example of a cat that learned from her mistakes. She never tried to act like the victim like Mapleshade did; she understood the pain she caused. She never left her family like Dovewing has done; she came back and knew she was supposed to be loyal to her Clan. I don't normally love cats that break the warrior code but I can accept this from Leafpool because she has redeemed herself and learned from it. The others never learned and only cared about themselves.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 11:48:09 GMT -5
Stick from SkyClan's Destiny. Let me begin by saying, I know he's not a nice guy, he's prideful, overbearing, strict, but you can tell that he cares deeply for his daughter, and for his group, even if he doesn't show that care for his daughter in the best way. Could he have handled things a bit differently? Yes. However, I can understand why he reacted the way he did, imagine if the most important person in your life started seeing someone, from a rival group, who has shown just how dangerous they can be. I really don't blame him for being worried/upset. On top of that, I doubt it was easy for Stick to admit to himself, that his daughter had grown up, and didn't need him as much as she used to. It's not like he didn't pay for his actions either, he did, and in one of the most tragic ways too.
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Post by Showers on May 17, 2020 12:28:01 GMT -5
needletail, breezepelt, nightcloud
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Post by Card against Humanity on May 17, 2020 12:44:32 GMT -5
needletail
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Post by wheeledwarrior on May 17, 2020 12:46:39 GMT -5
I might be one of the few people that likes Mapleshade. The idea of having such a cunning, powerful, and out right crazy irredeemable villain with no signs of sympathy anywhere was refreshing and gave a feeling someone you really want to see destroyed, but at the same time didn’t mind waiting for the next schemes. That said, I hate her e-book, because it gives her a poorly written sympathetic past that puts her in line with everyone else and contradicts her earlier character (although it was implied that she already had some issues during that time to believe that what she was doing with her for forbidden relationship and children that resulted was going to be accepted). Heck, I wouldn’t even mind if she’s behind some of the things that are happening now, because it would just show how dangerous she is and confirm that she did indeed survive the final battle. Heck, it could’ve been interesting if she was a greater scope villain (E.g. causing trouble while alive) or a protagonist character (caring about her family and clan, but also cunning to opponents). Neither turned out to be, but, e-book aside, I’m happy with what we got.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on May 17, 2020 13:14:30 GMT -5
Crowfeather is the first one that comes to mind. Absolutely loved reading his SE.
Another one is Bluestar. I've seen a lot of people hate on her, but I still love her a lot. She's a flawed character, but realistic imho.
Bumblestripe. The Erin's did him dirty. So so dirty.
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on May 17, 2020 13:53:21 GMT -5
Bramblestar.
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Post by highprince on May 17, 2020 14:27:42 GMT -5
Lionblaze. I've never disliked him - in fact, he's one of my favorite modern ThunderClan cats. Partially because he doesn't force himself into being a main character again, like so many old protagonists do (looking at you, Squirrelflight) And in a somewhat morbid way, I'm glad that it was him that killed Harestar. It felt like a callback to killing Russetfur and his days with his power
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on May 17, 2020 14:49:28 GMT -5
Crowfeather is the first one that comes to mind. Absolutely loved reading his SE. Another one is Bluestar. I've seen a lot of people hate on her, but I still love her a lot. She's a flawed character, but realistic imho. Bumblestripe. The Erin's did him dirty. So so dirty. aw yeah you're right. i forgot to include bumblestripe. i'll never condone ruining a character for another charcter's shipping purposes.
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Post by Cheetahstar on May 17, 2020 16:29:03 GMT -5
Dovewing Crowfeather (his super edition won me over a ton)
Mapleshade, atleast on these forums. I know shes liked elsewhere but on here shes rather hated. I love what she could have becommmee
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 16:30:26 GMT -5
Dovewing Crowfeather (his super edition won me over a ton) Mapleshade, atleast on these forums. I know shes liked elsewhere but on here shes rather hated. I love what she could have becommmee mapleshade is the definition of wasted potential. the idea behind her was so good.
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