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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 8:17:52 GMT -5
but it seems you can't defend how he was written or that it is interesting to have a character like him rather than the thousandth grumpy, war-loving cat who predictably becomes a bad leader, or grumpy-war-loving cat who gets a random redemption upon being leader, without being accused of condoning his actions. No one seems to do this for any other character, you can get away perfectly well with saying Skystar or Needletail or Ashfur was interesting or unique without people thinking you condone their actions. "what ifs" and "perhaps" arent good arguments, your tallstar argument relies on something we have no way of knowing about and can only assume on, so ill move on to your next point. post-pot he basically is just another grumpy, drama-stirring cat. his previous friendship with firestar isnt brought up too often, and most cats just accept that hes kind of an ass. more importantly, as a consequence of the very restricted pov, we are told about his character development instead of being allowed to observe it over time, which kneecaps him severely. i rlly do not like skystar, but he had a pov so we could see his thought process. violetpaw had a pov, and needletail was usually with her, so we saw her character (though id argue that needletail did not get much in the way of development over time as a character, but w/e). idk whos arguing that ashfur is complex and interesting into pot, or that he had good character development. i just dont find him very interesting as a character¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by platinum blond death on May 21, 2020 17:55:42 GMT -5
My answer's pretty much the same: I despise, hate, loathe, abhor and detest him. Normally, I don't have a gripe with any characters. It's rare for me to have a visceral hate for them. However, Onestar is one of the rare exceptions. There's just something about him that makes me hate him so much. Contrast that with Berrynose, who is similarly, an ass. I don't hate Berrynose as much as I do Onestar. And it's not even because he's an antagonist or whatever--there are villains I actually like (as characters of course).
I think it has something to do with his overall . . . shitty behavior. And the switch from a friendly cat to this overall asshole. It's true that people could be secretly jerks all along, but this switch was so sudden and so jarring that even as a kid I felt like it was . . . too sudden? There's also the fact that he just seems to be an unapologetic ass, which is fine if it's written correctly, and can be a fun character to hate. But Onestar just isn't like that. Also the Darktail situation was unforgiveable and honestly a shitty plot device. Why.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 18:11:42 GMT -5
My answer's pretty much the same: I despise, hate, loathe, abhor and detest him. Normally, I don't have a gripe with any characters. It's rare for me to have a visceral hate for them. However, Onestar is one of the rare exceptions. There's just something about him that makes me hate him so much. Contrast that with Berrynose, who is similarly, an ass. I don't hate Berrynose as much as I do Onestar. And it's not even because he's an antagonist or whatever--there are villains I actually like (as characters of course). I think it has something to do with his overall . . . shitty behavior. And the switch from a friendly cat to this overall asshole. It's true that people could be secretly jerks all along, but this switch was so sudden and so jarring that even as a kid I felt like it was . . . too sudden? There's also the fact that he just seems to be an unapologetic ass, which is fine if it's written correctly, and can be a fun character to hate. But Onestar just isn't like that. Also the Darktail situation was unforgiveable and honestly a shitty plot device. Why. The reason why I feel so much hate towards Onestar, is because he reminds me a friend that I once had, he started off as this really cool person, and then like the flip of a switch, he changed, and became the BIGGEST jerk ever. Everytime I read about Onestar, I think of that jerk, they just remind me so much of each other.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 21, 2020 18:27:57 GMT -5
He's trash tbh. Not sure why he's defended despite willing to let elders, kits and queens suffer because he doesn't want to pay child support.
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Post by fallowjump on May 31, 2020 1:16:08 GMT -5
I personally thought he was a good leader. He just made some bad decisions.
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