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Post by Aku on Apr 21, 2020 17:38:54 GMT -5
Many people believe that Ashfur is the imposter, but I'm in camp neutral because I could go either way with who they really are. Who else do you guys think could be the imposter? So far, I've heard Sol and Mothwing, but not much beyond that.
Also - marked as spoiler as I'm not sure if this counts as too spoilery, better safe than sorry.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 21, 2020 17:47:44 GMT -5
Never mind the fact that the imposter is someone who's clearly dead and male (we don't even know what happened to Sol after he fled in TFW) I don't really think it can be anyone else but Ashfur at this point. There's way too much evidence to support it, right down to the imposter having blue eyes. Darktail never even had a connection to ThunderClan, let alone Squirrelflight, and the imposter is specifically stated to have deep blue eyes, so that rules out Hawkfrost, who was killed twice anyway unless the Erins forgot.
The imposter is also someone who was clearly close to Squirrelflight in life, which is what Ashfur was. The fact that he says towards the end that he came back for her should also be a huge indication. Honestly, the real mystery shouldn't be who the imposter is, but who he's working with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 17:52:13 GMT -5
Littlecloud? Remember how Leafpool fell in love with Crowfeather, even though he went on the journey with Squirrelflight? Maybe the situation is similar, because Leafpool probably would have been close, since they were both medicine cats, and maybe he heard so many great things about Squirrelflight. Also, remember how in Squirrelflight's Hope, Littlecloud mentions something about if cats keep breaking the code, why bother having a code at all, or something like that? That seems like motive to exile the code-breakers to me. Another thing, is that he has blue eyes, AND he's a tom, he also has some medicine cat knowledge, remember how they used mint or whatever? He also wouldn't be familiar with the ThunderClan camp.
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 21, 2020 17:52:47 GMT -5
I honestly feel there's just way too much evidence to suggest anyone else at this point. All pieces of the impostor's identity lines up to Ashfur.
But, like Mothflight said, the real mystery should be who the imposter is working with. I doubt he's doing all this alone. And if he is...then wow.
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Post by mimikyutie on Apr 21, 2020 17:53:41 GMT -5
I definitely think Ashfur is the imposter. But I also wouldn't be shocked to see Sol having something to do with it. I mean, he's got plenty of motive, and he's been known for being very manipulative.
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Post by nightstep on Apr 21, 2020 18:08:38 GMT -5
Mothwing But if it's not her then I'm gonna say Sol I don't understand, how can it be Mothwing? Isn't the imposter clearly said to be a male especially when he talks to Shadowsight? Plus, that would totally shatter her character.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 21, 2020 18:11:15 GMT -5
Mothwing But if it's not her then I'm gonna say Sol I don't understand, how can it be Mothwing? Isn't the imposter clearly said to be a male especially when he talks to Shadowsight? Plus, that would totally shatter her character. Not to mention that Mothwing is still alive.
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Post by Crysolis on Apr 21, 2020 18:21:11 GMT -5
Mothwing But if it's not her then I'm gonna say Sol I don't understand, how can it be Mothwing? Isn't the imposter clearly said to be a male especially when he talks to Shadowsight? Plus, that would totally shatter her character. I just thought like, I personally still think hawkfrost is out there in the afterlife connected to mothwing. So with how mean thunderclan treated her, and he lost her only friend in thunderclan, what better way to make RiverClab relevant again than by telling hawkfrost to posess bramblestar? Now it's SUPER stretched don't get me wrong. I really need a twist villain in these books or I'm gonna scream.
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Post by Aku on Apr 21, 2020 18:21:46 GMT -5
I don't mean to be rude, but I asked for non-Ashfur theories! I appreciate you all for giving in your thoughts to this topic, but I don't want the focus to accidentally switch over to being about Ashfur possibly being the Imposter. I'd like to give other theories a time to shine as Ashfur seems to be the popular choice and thus has more threads devoted to him. Thank you for understanding <3
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Post by Crysolis on Apr 21, 2020 18:22:01 GMT -5
I think it’s Mothwing as well. Ashfur? Never heard of her
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Apr 21, 2020 18:24:04 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it's Ashfur either way, but I do like the idea of the "voice" from MV being involved somehow. I just don't really think he's working alone.
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Post by Aku on Apr 21, 2020 18:33:20 GMT -5
I don't mean to be rude, but I asked for non-Ashfur theories! I appreciate you all for giving in your thoughts to this topic, but I don't want the focus to accidentally switch over to being about Ashfur possibly being the Imposter. I'd like to give other theories a time to shine as Ashfur seems to be the popular choice and thus has more threads devoted to him. Thank you for understanding <3 The thing is the books literally narrow it down itself to the point it's so undeniably Ashfur it's denial at this point to claim it isn't. It's not Darktail, it's not Hawkfrost, the imposterstar has clear relations and obsession over Squirrelflight and has it out for Bramble to use him as a vessel to begin with, who else can it even GENUINELY be? Now, had this thread be about who the imposter is possibly in CAHOOTS with? We'd actually be able to answer that with other names. I'm sill thinking Spiresight is held reluctantly under the imposter's thumb sotospeak. Not everyone may feel the same way as you do, and I'd like to keep my options open. It's fun to discuss theories and there are still a good amount of us that are neutral or still skeptical on Ashfur. It's not denial, it's just how we've perceived the stories. If you'd like to discuss who the Imposter is working with, then you're more than welcome to create your own thread to talk about that, but I'm sorry - this thread isn't for why Ashfur is the Imposter.
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Post by nightstep on Apr 21, 2020 18:33:54 GMT -5
I don't understand, how can it be Mothwing? Isn't the imposter clearly said to be a male especially when he talks to Shadowsight? Plus, that would totally shatter her character. I just thought like, I personally still think hawkfrost is out there in the afterlife connected to mothwing. So with how mean thunderclan treated her, and he lost her only friend in thunderclan, what better way to make RiverClab relevant again than by telling hawkfrost to posess bramblestar? Now it's SUPER stretched don't get me wrong. I really need a twist villain in these books or I'm gonna scream. Yeah, but there's twist villains and direct character assassinations. Especially with the recent book Mothwing's Secret, it would just be entirely illogical and upsetting to turn such a character into some sort of sadistic twist villain.
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 21, 2020 18:36:48 GMT -5
Hypothetically, ignoring all the evidence, I'd say Sol since he would arguably have a motive to try and destroy the Clans. The imposter himself is incredibly manipulative, just like Sol is/was.
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Post by Aku on Apr 21, 2020 18:39:17 GMT -5
Littlecloud? Remember how Leafpool fell in love with Crowfeather, even though he went on the journey with Squirrelflight? Maybe the situation is similar, because Leafpool probably would have been close, since they were both medicine cats, and maybe he heard so many great things about Squirrelflight. Also, remember how in Squirrelflight's Hope, Littlecloud mentions something about if cats keep breaking the code, why bother having a code at all, or something like that? That seems like motive to exile the code-breakers to me. Another thing, is that he has blue eyes, AND he's a tom, he also has some medicine cat knowledge, remember how they used mint or whatever? He also wouldn't be familiar with the ThunderClan camp. Littlecloud would be a very interesting twist! Don't think I'd like this twist, but it's definitely something no one would see coming (like the Spanish Inquisition) so I'll give it that! Would also be kind of heartbreaking if it turned out true. Poor Littlecloud :c
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Post by Crysolis on Apr 21, 2020 18:42:09 GMT -5
I just thought like, I personally still think hawkfrost is out there in the afterlife connected to mothwing. So with how mean thunderclan treated her, and he lost her only friend in thunderclan, what better way to make RiverClab relevant again than by telling hawkfrost to posess bramblestar? Now it's SUPER stretched don't get me wrong. I really need a twist villain in these books or I'm gonna scream. Yeah, but there's twist villains and direct character assassinations. Especially with the recent book Mothwing's Secret, it would just be entirely illogical and upsetting to turn such a character into some sort of sadistic twist villain. Yeah but I didn't really come to this thread to debate. Not saying you're wrong or anything I get what you're saying. OP asked for opinions of cats who aren't ashfur and my theory would fit perfectly in here.
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Post by Aku on Apr 21, 2020 18:42:58 GMT -5
Hypothetically, ignoring all the evidence, I'd say Sol since he would arguably have a motive to try and destroy the Clans. The imposter himself is incredibly manipulative, just like Sol is/was. Sol has been slowly growing on me every time I hear more about this theory. Plus, it wouldn't be the first time that the Erin's have drastically gotten an eye color wrong before (Dovewing is a big example for this).
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 21, 2020 18:49:30 GMT -5
I wish they had not made it so obvious it is Ashfur. Too obvious! HC should know audience generally loves anticipation and surprises To be fair, when it comes to this series, predictability is nothing new. Either the twists are really obvious (Hollyleaf and her brothers being the kits of Crowfeather and Leafpool) or come out of nowhere (Darktail being Onestar's son). There's rarely any middle ground, if at all.
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Post by Hollyfall on Apr 21, 2020 18:51:27 GMT -5
Hypothetically, ignoring all the evidence, I'd say Sol since he would arguably have a motive to try and destroy the Clans. The imposter himself is incredibly manipulative, just like Sol is/was. Sol has been slowly growing on me every time I hear more about this theory. Plus, it wouldn't be the first time that the Erin's have drastically gotten an eye color wrong before (Dovewing is a big example for this). I wouldn't mind him having some sort of role this arc so it shows he wasn't totally forgotten about, and I think it'd be neat to see SkyClan (a fair amount of cats will certainly remember him) and the other Clans deal with him.
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Post by Aku on Apr 21, 2020 18:53:31 GMT -5
I'm - did no one read my thread title
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 21, 2020 18:53:43 GMT -5
I don't understand, how can it be Mothwing? Isn't the imposter clearly said to be a male especially when he talks to Shadowsight? Plus, that would totally shatter her character. I just thought like, I personally still think hawkfrost is out there in the afterlife connected to mothwing. So with how mean thunderclan treated her, and he lost her only friend in thunderclan, what better way to make RiverClab relevant again than by telling hawkfrost to posess bramblestar? Now it's SUPER stretched don't get me wrong. I really need a twist villain in these books or I'm gonna scream. I don't recall ThunderClan ever being mean to Mothwing, though? But anyway, then that wouldn't make her the imposter, that role would go to Hawkfrost. Mothwing would just be the mastermind behind it all. And I do agree, I would love it if this series had more twist villains.
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Post by Aku on Apr 21, 2020 19:17:24 GMT -5
Unless you want joke answers or names pulled out of a hat just for the sake of it I'm pretty certain you're not gonna get any serious answers to this, man. There's being open and then there's being in denial to the pudding in front of you. The only thing left is the lack of a name, that's the thing, everything is there BUT a name. Yet I feel if they said it straight up people would have problems with that too. Irdk what you guys want out of these books anymore. Also what's with the sudden obsession of wanting it to be a random twist GOTCHA villain now for the sake of it? Just so that it isn't Ashfur? Why? You want more bad writing?Brindlefern, please. I've explained myself twice now and you're resorting to insulting people for holding a different opinion than you. It's a bit rude. Not everyone will see and interpret things like you and that's perfectly fine - and until we get a name. No one is 100% right or wrong.I want a civil and on-topic thread for people to discuss non-Ashfur theories. I also don't want this thread locked for any reason. If you have beef with non-Ashfur theory supporters, then please leave my thread as I don't want it turning into an argument or going off-topic.
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 21, 2020 19:26:44 GMT -5
You’re all gonna feel REAL silly when it turns out it’s Rainwhisker!
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 21, 2020 19:46:43 GMT -5
Insulting doesn’t just mean throwing mean words at people, it can also mean how you go about treating and interacting with them.
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