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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 21:59:49 GMT -5
So I was watching MAPs and I came across this lovely vid. It's a shame their relationship was barely explored.
What other sibling/familial relationships do you wish were given more spotlight?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 22:09:39 GMT -5
I agree! Same with Brackenfur and Thornclaw, their brothers.
I wish that all the family relationships were shown more. Beyond the main characters, there's really not much there, there were a few non-main characters who acted like siblings, like Icecloud and Foxleap, also, Sorreltail, Brackenfur, Ferncloud, and Dustpelt getting upset about some of their kits dying, but beyond that? Not much. Like, when Shrewpaw died, Whitewing was the one to get upset, and to sit vigil with him, not his own littermate. When Snowbush died, Lilyheart was really the only cat to grieve for him, not his parents, nor his littermates, nor his older sister Whitewing.
So, to keep a long post short, I'd say pretty much all the families.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 21, 2020 22:14:15 GMT -5
I love Clawface and Nightstar
I do wish more Cinderpelt/Brightheart was there.
Actually, ANY siblings besides the main characters or those related to main characters would be nice. Does Fernsong care about his siblings? Stemleaf and his? Why did they never touch on Ashfoot and Onestar being a brother/sister leader/deputy duo?
I genuinely love wholesome sibling relationships. I love that Squirrelflight and Leafpool would do anything for each other, how Honeyfern and Poppyfrost are completely in sync even with Honeyfern being dead for moons (poor Cinderheart being left out). Does Rosepetal ever have sibling time with Berrynose or Mousewhisker?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 21, 2020 22:19:38 GMT -5
Frostfur's kits as well as Mothwing interacting with Bramblestar and Tawnypelt are the first to come to mind. And I guess at least one scene with Dustpelt and Ravenpaw as brothers, as well as Yellowfang interacting with Cinderfur and Stumpytail since she's their aunt.
It also would've been nice to see familial interactions between Firestar's daughters and Cloudtail (or anyone in these two lines acting like family in general).
And really, just any siblings that don't involve the main characters.
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Post by Mayflower on Mar 22, 2020 14:09:04 GMT -5
Frostfur's kits as well as Mothwing interacting with Bramblestar and Tawnypelt are the first to come to mind. And I guess at least one scene with Dustpelt and Ravenpaw as brothers, as well as Yellowfang interacting with Cinderfur and Stumpytail since she's their aunt. It also would've been nice to see familial interactions between Firestar's daughters and Cloudtail (or anyone in these two lines acting like family in general). And really, just any siblings that don't involve the main characters. ...it wasn't until I just read your post that I realized I literally forget that Cloudtail is related to Leafpool and Squirrelflight, and that Mothwing is even Tigerstar's daughter. Mothwing being Tigerstar's kit is so rarely addressed in the books that it's ridiculous. Unless cats are talking about her relation to Hawkfrost (who is almost always mentioned in the same sentence as being Tigerstar's son), the fact that Tigerstar is her father is all but forgotten. If we're lucky, we get a throwaway line about it, like that one time Tigerstar sneered that she was wasting her potential by being a medicine cat, or when Bramblestar first began visiting the Dark Forest, he wondered whether all of Tigerstar's kits were there, then reflected that Mothwing probably wouldn't be, because she wasn't a warrior. That was it. It's strange how Bramblestar is close to Tawnypelt -- as close as they can be, that is, what with being in different Clans -- and was so desperate to have a connection with Hawkfrost because of their shared parentage, yet had no interest in Mothwing at all. I guess it might be because she's a medicine cat, and they are separate from regular warriors, but I mean...that's still his sister...? He kept going on and on about finally having kin when he found out Hawkfrost was his half-brother, and yet Mothwing was right there, too. The books were constantly stressing the point of him and Hawkfrost being related, but Bramblestar never even really thought about Mothwing, unless he was automatically connecting her to Hawkfrost. It's weird and kinda sad.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 14:12:26 GMT -5
MayflowerI wonder if the books even remember that Mothwing was Tigerstar's daughter? Also, I wonder if Tawnypelt and Mothwing have ever even interacted with each other.
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Post by valleylight on Mar 22, 2020 18:18:02 GMT -5
Nowadays, even POV characters’ siblings are barely visible. It started in AVOS with Sparkpelt not being particularly present for long stretches, but now I think it’s unprecedented how little we see Shadowsight and Bristlefrost interacting with their siblings. Rootpaw is definitely better about spending time with Needlepaw, but the other two main characters seem to remember their litter-mates about once a book. I guess it makes sense, since there’s a lot of content jammed into each book, and this is the first arc we’ve gotten where none of the POV characters are siblings. But still, Bristlefrost really can’t even become a warrior with her siblings?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 18:50:25 GMT -5
Nowadays, even POV characters’ siblings are barely visible. It started in AVOS with Sparkpelt not being particularly present for long stretches, but now I think it’s unprecedented how little we see Shadowsight and Bristlefrost interacting with their siblings. Rootpaw is definitely better about spending time with Needlepaw, but the other two main characters seem to remember their litter-mates about once a book. I guess it makes sense, since there’s a lot of content jammed into each book, and this is the first arc we’ve gotten where none of the POV characters are siblings. But still, Bristlefrost really can’t even become a warrior with her siblings? That's sad but true, also, I know they're not main characters, but Stemleaf and Spotfur have been getting a lot of focus lately, and how many times have they mentioned their siblings?
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Post by valleylight on Mar 22, 2020 19:03:11 GMT -5
TurnipGreens I can’t remember either of them mentioning their siblings, though Spotfur did get banned alongside her father Lionblaze, so she has had some interaction with her family. Hopefully we’ll get to see more of them and their siblings with Spotfur’s novella? (And maybe more modern ThunderClan friendships in general. That would be a nice bonus for her POV!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 19:05:07 GMT -5
TurnipGreens I can’t remember either of them mentioning their siblings, though Spotfur did get banned alongside her father Lionblaze, so she has had some interaction with her family. Hopefully we’ll get to see more of them and their siblings with Spotfur’s novella? (And maybe more modern ThunderClan friendships in general. That would be a nice bonus for her POV!) I hope so! About all the things you mentioned. I really liked how in The Silent Thaw, they had that scene of Dewnose, Flipclaw, and Snaptooth playing moss-ball together.
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Post by platinum blond death on Mar 22, 2020 19:07:36 GMT -5
I wish we saw more sibling relationships; I love them. For once I would love to see them getting along, cheering each other up when one of them is down, play fighting, spending time together. I want them to fight over stupid stuff; I want them to have a rivalry. Siblings being siblings are my shit, and I will absolutely gobble up whatever they give me. Squirrelflight and Leafpool's relationship was just so good. Squirrelflight was willing to do anything for her sister, and vice versa. They did something illegal in regards to the warrior code, and yet they didn't care; they were willing to do it all again. In SQH's prologue it made me so happy that Leafpaw called her sister a silly name, and then later Squirrelflight brought it up again. I may not have liked SQH but that one part was great.
Anyways, gimme more sibling relationships cowards.
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Post by Mayflower on Mar 22, 2020 19:16:21 GMT -5
Mayflower I wonder if the books even remember that Mothwing was Tigerstar's daughter? Also, I wonder if Tawnypelt and Mothwing have ever even interacted with each other. Good questions...it's probably a detail that's been totally lost now. I wouldn't mind Mothwing being forgotten as Tigerstar's daughter if we didn't have to read Bramblestar repeatedly placing so much emphasis on how he and Hawkfrost shared a father, ya know? Like, yeah, y'all have the same dad, and so do you and Mothwing! Where's any of that interest for her? As for Tawnypelt and Mothwing, I'd like to think they did, as silly as that sounds. Since we never see either of their POVs (save for Tawnypelt's recent novella), at least we can vaguely say that they could have interacted. In Bramblestar's case, we had his POV for an entire arc and a super edition, and he never gave a thought to Mothwing, excluding thinking of her being Hawkfrost's sister (...and yours, Bramblestar) one or two times, but Tawnypelt and Mothwing may've talked occasionally. Their Clans also shared a border for years, so there's the faintest chance that sometimes Mothwing was out collecting herbs while Tawnypelt was on a hunting patrol near the border or something, and they chatted for a minute or two. I reckon that's just wishful thinking, though. There's so many family connections that have had missed opportunities in this series 😔 Like during the time when Hollyleaf & Co. thought Bramblestar was their father (therefore making Mothwing their half-aunt), I would have killed for Jayfeather to have banter with Mothwing about them being related and how he should "listen to his older kin" or some cute nonsense. It's a pity, since they're actually quite close friends, as much as Jayfeather can be friends with anyone outside his Clan. Sigh.
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Post by kells on Mar 22, 2020 19:37:02 GMT -5
Mistyfoot, Silverstream and Stonefur would've been adorable to see
And I would've loved a little more emphasis on Darkstripe and Graystripes' relationship
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 19:43:48 GMT -5
Mayflower I wonder if the books even remember that Mothwing was Tigerstar's daughter? Also, I wonder if Tawnypelt and Mothwing have ever even interacted with each other. Good questions...it's probably a detail that's been totally lost now. I wouldn't mind Mothwing being forgotten as Tigerstar's daughter if we didn't have to read Bramblestar repeatedly placing so much emphasis on how he and Hawkfrost shared a father, ya know? Like, yeah, y'all have the same dad, and so do you and Mothwing! Where's any of that interest for her? As for Tawnypelt and Mothwing, I'd like to think they did, as silly as that sounds. Since we never see either of their POVs (save for Tawnypelt's recent novella), at least we can vaguely say that they could have interacted. In Bramblestar's case, we had his POV for an entire arc and a super edition, and he never gave a thought to Mothwing, excluding thinking of her being Hawkfrost's sister (...and yours, Bramblestar) one or two times, but Tawnypelt and Mothwing may've talked occasionally. Their Clans also shared a border for years, so there's the faintest chance that sometimes Mothwing was out collecting herbs while Tawnypelt was on a hunting patrol near the border or something, and they chatted for a minute or two. I reckon that's just wishful thinking, though. There's so many family connections that have had missed opportunities in this series 😔 Like during the time when Hollyleaf & Co. thought Bramblestar was their father (therefore making Mothwing their half-aunt), I would have killed for Jayfeather to have banter with Mothwing about them being related and how he should "listen to his older kin" or some cute nonsense. It's a pity, since they're actually quite close friends, as much as Jayfeather can be friends with anyone outside his Clan. Sigh. I completely missed the fact that Mothwing would have been Jayfeather's half-aunt (if Bramblestar was really his father) Instead, the only thing that was focused on with Mothwing, is the fact that she doesn't believe in StarClan. That's like, pretty much all there is to her character, and that's sad, because she could have been so much more. Same with Tawnypelt, there's not much to her, other than her family.
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